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TheIllestVillain posted:It's not that hard to believe, didn't the Belgian Vlaams Belang turn up at a school full of Muslim children and try to feed them pork a few years back? That's pretty incredible  A fun "joke" for sure.Also LOL.
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Thats actually pretty awesome. Illegal or not i doubt the Egyprians who own the jet did it out of malice. Then again there are people in this thread who buy into the Eurabia conspiracy theory wholesale.
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Dec 17, 2014 17:58
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:Thats actually pretty awesome. Illegal or not i doubt the Egyprians who own the jet did it out of malice. They did it for money and the people on the flight are rich people. That is not malicious. It's called business and making a profit. quote:Then again there are people in this thread who buy into the Eurabia conspiracy theory wholesale. In this thread? Hardly. Or then I haven't posted long enough to have noticed them.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:16
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I can't even begin to estimate what the cost of getting smuggled into the country by private jet is considering that the traditional smuggling alternatives can range between 20-200k SEK per person. The guys must have been oil barons or the bastard sons of Assad or something.
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Xoidanor posted:I can't even begin to estimate what the cost of getting smuggled into the country by private jet is considering that the traditional smuggling alternatives can range between 20-200k SEK per person. The guys must have been oil barons or the bastard sons of Assad or something. Suppose so. They must be quite happy when they end up living in some old country house or motel, refurbished as a refugee center, four bunks a room, in the dark and cold forest in the middle of nowhere and will be stuck there for 2 years, because your system is simply too overwhelmed to do any better. I can already see the articles from local papers: "Asylum seekers complain about quality of food, and lack of shopping malls. Call Swedes racists". I sometimes wonder if your average asylum seeker has been either told by the smugglers or someone else that a very, very small country like Sweden can actually still just "give" nice apartments from central Stockholm for free to tens or hundreds of thousands of people every year, no problem. That said, people with those resources can probably return whenever they wish or travel to some other country which has a liberal asylum policy that particular season. Like some have already done after being stuck in a barn for long enough.
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Dec 17, 2014 20:17
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Ligur posted:Suppose so. They must be quite happy when they end up living in some old country house or motel, refurbished as a refugee center, four bunks a room, in the dark and cold forest in the middle of nowhere and will be stuck there for 2 years, because your system is simply too overwhelmed to do any better. Ligur posted:I can already see the articles from local papers: Ligur posted:That said, people with those resources can probably return whenever they wish or travel to some other country which has a liberal asylum policy that particular season. Like some have already done after being stuck in a barn for long enough.
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Dec 17, 2014 20:32
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uno.mannschaft posted:Well, our system is overwhelmed because we try to help a lot of people i need, I think they would understand the situation is a bit tight if they came from a war-zone. Well it appears they don't with news like this popping up every week. quote:Swedish food is lovely, and shopping malls are not that common in the dark cold forest in the middle of nowhere, so that's a big possibility. Though I kind a doubt that any local Swedish newspapers would give a drat as they are all outsourced news from TT anyway. Dunno. They still release articles like that weekly. But if the premise is you are coming from a war-zone and about to be tortured because of your personal beliefs by an oppressing system (which sort of was originally why asylum was granted, not because you just want to move to a nicer country) I'd imagine eating lovely food and lack of malls wouldn't be a huge issue since you are sill not being tortured? quote:People with resources to hire a private jet to flee a country doesn't need to seek asylum, they have money. I highly doubt people with those resources are stuck in any barn in any country. There's the thing that you won't be subsidized by the goverment as an asylum seeker if you are revealed to be a wealthy person with millions of SEK, so there might be incentives to play out being stuck in a barn for a while but otherwise agree, like I said they'll probably bail after a while.
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Dec 17, 2014 20:39
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Ligur posted:Well it appears they don't with news like this popping up every week. Ligur posted:Dunno. They still release articles like that weekly. But if the premise is you are coming from a war-zone and about to be tortured because of your personal beliefs by an oppressing system (which sort of was originally why asylum was granted, not because you just want to move to a nicer country) I'd imagine eating lovely food and lack of malls wouldn't be a huge issue since you are sill not being tortured? Ligur posted:There's the thing that you won't be subsidized by the goverment as an asylum seeker if you are revealed to be a wealthy person with millions of SEK, so there might be incentives to play out being stuck in a barn for a while but otherwise agree, like I said they'll probably bail after a while.
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Dec 17, 2014 21:44
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uno.mannschaft posted:They are angry because the food is lovely, just like I said, thanks for finding a link that covers my rear end mate. Unlike you claimed they are not very understanding of the situation though. quote:I guess it's not since these weekly articles you claim are being published are to hard to find? Took me 15 seconds. Yeah that's not "hard to find". quote:Yes they will, in fact they won't be sitting in a barn at all. You see, it doesn't matter where your from, no one wants to be sitting in a barn in Sweden (unless your swedish and its midsommar and there's hay in the barn). Indeed, our disagreement here does not exists.
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Dec 17, 2014 21:54
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Ligur posted:Unlike you claimed they are not very understanding of the situation though. I never said they would be understanding with regards to our food. Again your article is about swedish food. I complain about lovely swedish food every day, how hard can it be to find an article about refugees complaining about it. Find an article supporting your original claim instead.
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Dec 17, 2014 22:18
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uno.mannschaft posted:I never said they would be understanding with regards to our food. Again your article is about swedish food. I complain about lovely swedish food every day, how hard can it be to find an article about refugees complaining about it. Find an article supporting your original claim instead. Erm you find it reasonable that refugees who purportedly escape from personal death warrant and torture complain about food since they don't have Eritrean cooks or whatever, while at the same time saying they are probably understanding of your difficulties or their situation and problems only exist because of food, or what? Holy crap. edit: Unff unhappy "children" in an asylum center aaaahh they must be really understanding though. Euuugggh now they are fighting but must be complacent and understading. What is this, more complaining this time? Cannot be: it doesn't exist. News like this are hard to find. Aieee chasing the personnel with knives! Can't be, all are understanding of the situation! And so on and so on... I won't waste more of my time but news like this arrive in an endless pour. And they are not all about food. So what the gently caress is your problem? Ligur fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Dec 17, 2014 22:23
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Ligur posted:Erm you find it reasonable that refugees who purportedly escape from personal death warrant and torture complain about food since they don't have Eritrean cooks or whatever, while at the same time saying they are probably understanding of your difficulties? Well. To be fair, institutional canteen food in Sweden is a form of torture.
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Dec 17, 2014 22:30
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Gedt posted:Well. To be fair, institutional canteen food in Sweden is a form of torture. I believe that but, you know, that guy above claims that your refugee centers are full of understanding people - and the only problem is food or something. Food? They are supposedly fleeing torture? But it's not all about food by far either.
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Dec 17, 2014 22:36
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go away ligur you are the worst poster
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V. Illych L. posted:go away ligur you are the worst poster Oh really? Now that you ask ok sure.
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good, thank you
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Ligur posted:Oh really? Now that you ask ok sure. 
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Maybe I need to check my privilege because I'm an American, but uhhhh couldn't just about anybody with a passport get into Sweden rather easily? I've been here twice now, once connecting through Copenhagen and once through Frankfurt, and both times I was basically rubberstamped through customs & immigration at my connecting airport and then not even checked coming into Sweden. As far as I know the Swedish government has no clue that I'm even in the country.
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Noctone posted:Maybe I need to check my privilege because I'm an American, but uhhhh couldn't just about anybody with a passport get into Sweden rather easily? I've been here twice now, once connecting through Copenhagen and once through Frankfurt, and both times I was basically rubberstamped through customs & immigration at my connecting airport and then not even checked coming into Sweden. As far as I know the Swedish government has no clue that I'm even in the country. Schengen agreement. Once you've entered the EU you can travel freely, it's like you're on a domestic flight in the US almost.
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TheFluff posted:Schengen agreement. Once you've entered the EU you can travel freely, it's like you're on a domestic flight in the US almost. Oh I know, that's what I'm saying. Seems to me like "smuggling" yourself into Sweden via private jet is silly when it's much easier to fly in via a lax European airport. When I flew in via Copenhagen I wasn't even asked basic questions like how long I was going to be in Europe or what my purpose of visit was, they just looked at my passport for ten seconds and waived me through.
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Dec 18, 2014 08:26
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Ligur posted:Erm you find it reasonable that refugees who purportedly escape from personal death warrant and torture complain about food since they don't have Eritrean cooks or whatever, while at the same time saying they are probably understanding of your difficulties or their situation and problems only exist because of food, or what? edit: Ligur posted:Unff unhappy "children" in an asylum center aaaahh they must be really understanding though. 
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Noctone posted:Maybe I need to check my privilege because I'm an American, but uhhhh couldn't just about anybody with a passport get into Sweden rather easily? I've been here twice now, once connecting through Copenhagen and once through Frankfurt, and both times I was basically rubberstamped through customs & immigration at my connecting airport and then not even checked coming into Sweden. As far as I know the Swedish government has no clue that I'm even in the country. None of this stuff is recorded anywhere you can get to it, but when you apply for a work visa, you're expected to give the arrival and departure date for every trip you made to another Schengen territory. Then, when it's time to apply for citizenship--presumably many years after arrival--you've got to report your entries and exits to non-Schengen territories. Something to think about for anyone planning for it... A friend of mine from Bulgaria (arrived before EU-entry, so sort of the same case) claimed Försäkringskassan could get you some sort of comprehensive utdrag on your personal history, and that it included at least some of his transit information. Still haven't gotten back to him on this--anyone know what he might be talking about?
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Ligur posted:Erm you find it reasonable that refugees who purportedly escape from personal death warrant and torture complain about food since they don't have Eritrean cooks or whatever, while at the same time saying they are probably understanding of your difficulties or their situation and problems only exist because of food, or what? Grow up. I know a guy who works at a a private refugee center. The legal bare minimum is like 6 square feet per person and the owner fought tooth and nail to keep that from becoming 7 square feet because it would be marginally less profitable to him. What the hell do you suppose happens when you stuff a bunch of unrelated 18-30 year old hormone enraged war refugees in the same room in miserable conditions? For several months if not years? That's right you have no loving clue, as your post indicates. Because you, ligur, are just a racist(read xenophobe if you so please, rear end in a top hat.) prick. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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Dec 18, 2014 14:08
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Nah it's totes okay to feed asylum seekers moldy food(like Bert Karlsson did in Järlåsa, for example) cause who gives a poo poo they're not
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Dec 18, 2014 14:12
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In Italy they feed them good food but they protest anyway because they dont like pasta.
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Riso posted:In Italy they feed them good food but they protest anyway because they dont like pasta. Also, I poo poo gold and rainbows.
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http://www.thelocal.it/20140827/refugees-protest-against-monotonous-italian-foodquote:For two days, a group of about 40 asylum-seekers staying at a refugee centre in the Veneto province of Belluno refused to eat the “pasta with tomato sauce, bread and eggs” meals they were given and called to be fed food from their own countries, Libero Quotidiano reported. quote:“They’re not complaining that the food isn’t good, but that it is not the food of their countries. But when you’re hosted in someone’s home, for example, you eat their food, right? It’s like on the many occasions I’ve been hosted in England, I don’t expect to eat spaghetti.” 
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Touché! (I can put up a bunch of links that my earlier(probably a bit overly snarky, sorry 'bout that) post in a PM to you if ya want since Italy isn't in Scandinavia)
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How the gently caress did you manage to muster up the brain power to read that article without also having your grey matter scream at you that there's gotta be more to the story than that? Also it doesn't logically follow that “pasta with tomato sauce, bread and eggs” necessarily has to qualify as "good food", but then again conditions is Italy have about jack all to do with conditions in Scandinavia anyway.
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well, italians are super picky about food, this probably qualifies as news in italy. I'm not suprised the italians take offense  Also politically convenient (whiny, ungrateful immigrants).
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Bread and water is halal, ain`t it? That is one problem solved and done away with( a gluten-free alternative must be provided ofcourse).
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V. Illych L. posted:go away ligur you are the worst poster Why do you hate thread immigrants? He just wants a better life outside horrible Finnish-threadi, where he faces constant discrimination and harassment for who he is & what he believes in.
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adhuin posted:Why do you hate thread immigrants? Well can't say i blame him if he comes from a thread where debates go pretty much like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPsCLHyRO-Y&t=158s Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Dec 19, 2014 |
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Ligur. Please defend this: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/17/swedish-far-right-leader-jews-swedes quote:
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He even uses the MY BLACK FRIEND defense, it's so cute. 
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Ligur. Please defend this: Oh, straw mans are always cute. First: Try quoting a journal not famous for being left-wing. Second: Björn Söder is a retard and there is a reason why he was put forward as second talman instead of something more important in SD. Third: He is a retard since he can't easily explain the difference between the Swedish ethnic group and Swedish citizenship. Certain morons among politicians and journalists say there is no Swedish culture, which if taken to its logical conclusion either means there are no cultures whatsoever or that Sweden is unique in the world in not having a Swedish culture. This is of course bullshit, since undoubtedly a Swedish culture exists. The difference between this and Swedish citizenship should be obvious to anyone. One could argue the view that there is no Swedish culture is deeply racist since it assumes everyone wants to join the superior totally-not-a-Swedish-culture. Or as an actual scientist puts it: http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/absurd-forvirring-kring-sds-ideologi_4206167.svd Fake edit:
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Because SVD is the hallmark of objectivity. And they totally never ever cherry pick their "experts" either. Find someone with a doctorate in political history that would disagree with the obvious links between SD's views on citizenship, culture in general and fascism. Then you will have my intrest. Besides the point of that article is that there is a clear lack of defenition on what is Swedish or not. What you should take from this and what seems to go over everyones head, especially you Cardiac, is that the concept of the nation state is obsolete in the modern world. No the Kurds/Jews/Swedes/Goons do not have any more right to their own country because it lends itself to separating humans based on ethnicity as if that would solve all conflict. Real sociologists know that once ethnic struggle cease to be a factor others take it's place. Like Economic inequality as Marx made so painfully obvious.
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Kurds should have their own country though.
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I should have my own country.
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In my old neighbourhood we actually have(it's kinda on the low since about a year back due to the election and some of us being kind of in lay-low attitude) a time-based currency, local governance outside of the legal one in the city, local security group, adbusting group, non-mandatory taxing and welfare projects for the homeless. All in small scale but it worked pretty well for just being something a bunch of us thought up while drinking. The security, for example, came into existance after many of us grew tired of the cops taking up to two hours to respond to calls made while a crime was in progress(as well as the abuses numerous of us have felt and seen first-hand from the cops). The taxes all goes to help those in need and repairs of playgrounds and stuff like that. There's no uniforms, no patrolling and no violence have been required even once. If someone is accused(never happened) of abusing this non-existant power then they're immediatly suspended and heard. What I'm getting with this(kind of ran away there) is that I did propose us using a different name than The Flogsta Federation/The Flogsta Commune/Flogsta(we decided eventually that due to the high influx and outflux of members and inhabitants the name would change all the time so we abandoned the idea of using anything but Flogsta) namely The Utopia of Rutopia. Support for my plan was limited. ;_;
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