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I feel comfortable recommending TW1 to someone only if they're a big fan of old RPGs. TW1 isn't exactly an old school RPG but I figure fans of stuff like Baldur's Gate are probably more likely to be able to look over its considerable flaws than someone used to Mass Effect or something.
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The Sharmat posted:IIRC, before this game, the main thing CD Projekt Red had done was localize Baldur's Gate 2 into Polish. They had very little money and it's kind of a miracle this got released at all. It's probably more fair to judge it by Indie game standards than by the standards you'd hold to a AAA game release Baldur's Gate 2 (as well as the rest of the saga and pretty much all other Interplay RPGs, among many other games) was localised and published by the main CD Projekt company. CD Projekt RED was created as a subdivision pretty much solely for the purpose of making the first Witcher.
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Dec 17, 2014 15:03
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So they'd never really done anything before. Wow.
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Dec 17, 2014 15:04
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Yeah, they're the little company that could. They're probably my favorite euro developer because of that and their policies on DRM and the like.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:11
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The soundtrack in the first Witcher game is fantastic. I'd recommend getting that game for the soundtrack alone. It really fits the setting and makes things seem more bleak and depressing than it actually is.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:21
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I never understood the complaints about the combat in W1. All I ever see is people saying "it's just repetitive clicking!" but that's pretty much the gameplay of any Diablo clone or cRPG. And most people still like the Arkham series which is almost exactly the same.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:27
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Well, that's a pretty simplistic interpretation of those systems, even W1 isn't "just clicking". In Diablo the clicking is easier, it's not timing based to any significant degree. But you do get lots of interesting abilities, you don't in W1, not in the same way at least. In Arkham, (which are imho some of the best brawlers ever made) it's similar in that you are clicking in time with events, but in the Arkham games there are multiple timings you need to hit, rather than just clicking A over and over. As the game progresses they add new enemies with new attacks and weaknesses that force you to change your tactics (slightly, it's by no means a difficult series). None of that is really true in W1, hell, you rarely even need to switch styles mid-combat, once you learn which style is good for which monster you are basically done with it. I don't think the combat in W1 is awful, but it's not really fun or engaging either. EDIT: Also, clicking in time to the mouse cursor lighting up is pretty obnoxious. It makes it feel like I'm playing Guitar Hero more than being a swashbuckling badass. Badasses don't play from the GUI. Comte de Saint-Germain fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Dec 17, 2014 18:48
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The potion system in the first Witcher game was the best of the two (so far). You could just pop them at any time. It could make a really tough fight into a really piss-easy fight and I enjoyed getting into the deep of it. The Witcher 2 was a step back because you had to meditate to use potions and, unless you had a guide or played through the story, you wouldn't know what was coming up. I didn't like that change at all. Plus the 3rd option for the end-game was great. gently caress the racists and terrorists. I choose to fight for myself then proceed to kill them all.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:57
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A major theme of the books (and the games, starting in TW2) was that sometimes you can't just stand on the sidelines. A "neutral" ending to TW2 wouldn't work thematically.
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Jimbot posted:The potion system in the first Witcher game was the best of the two (so far). You could just pop them at any time. It could make a really tough fight into a really piss-easy fight and I enjoyed getting into the deep of it. The Witcher 2 was a step back because you had to meditate to use potions and, unless you had a guide or played through the story, you wouldn't know what was coming up. I didn't like that change at all. Yeah, having to prepare potions beforehand is a nice sentiment but it led to me only ever having Swallow and Tawny Owl active when I was expecting a tough fight. Also, it made me fight the Draugr without potions because of the part inbetween, which I still think is bullshit. Comte de Saint-Germain posted:Well, that's a pretty simplistic interpretation of those systems, even W1 isn't "just clicking". But clicking on the dudes in the right rhythm is exactly what the Arkham games do. I don't think the addition of counters really makes it that much more deep. I'm mostly just sad that people start playing a cheap RPG and slam it because it doesn't have a perfect action game combat system.
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Lava Lamp Goddess posted:Yeah, they're the little company that could. They're probably my favorite euro developer because of that and their policies on DRM and the like.
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The Witcher 1 is actually extremely good and all you lames saying to just go to Witcher 2 should be ashamed. 
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Senjuro posted:What exactly are the rules and limits of magic in this world? Why do kings bother gathering huge armies when it only takes a few people to annihilate them with meteor showers? Magic is super powerful in the books, more of a "Bewitched" style. Twitch your finger, people explode on chunks, or transmute into smoke, or are transformed in geese shaking a leg (true scene from the books!, done by Yennefer). Obviously in the games it's much less powerful. The Sharmat posted:I'm still not sure this is completely the case anymore. There was a scene on the books where she "burned out" of magic, I don't know the English term, but she was totally incapable of doing normal magic anymore. Which is part of the reason she lived in No Man's Land in the last books, though I can't remember if just in the end she somehow recovered??
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BBJoey posted:The Witcher 1 is actually extremely good and all you lames saying to just go to Witcher 2 should be ashamed. Wisdom. dud root posted:I must be in the outer because Chapter 1 immediately grabbed me and from then I was hooked. The story and atmosphere was really solid dud root fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Dec 17, 2014 23:17
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Vizima Outskirts is kickin rad, and you can definitely see how Flotsam developed on what it tried to do. Vizima itself....less so.
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BBJoey posted:The Witcher 1 is actually extremely good and all you lames saying to just go to Witcher 2 should be ashamed. I really need to start W1 again. I bounced off it HARD even before getting to Vizima because I just kept dying over and over again to those loving barghests in the outskirts and I just couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. W2 is one of my favourite games ever so I should really give the first one another chance before 3 comes out.
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You forget the best bit of W1 ... The porno card minigame collection when ever you fool in game woman to sleep with you 
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Dec 18, 2014 10:43
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I never felt as though the problem with W1 was the fighting gameplay - that's fairly competent for what it is. The dialogs were the really janky part for me. Blank-eyed mannequins reciting an alien robots idea of noir-speak right past each other.
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VoLaTiLe posted:You forget the best bit of W1 ... My favorite part was when the woman on the card barely looked like the woman that you slept with.
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NaDy posted:I really need to start W1 again. I bounced off it HARD even before getting to Vizima because I just kept dying over and over again to those loving barghests in the outskirts and I just couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. If you want to kill everything in W1, just put points into Igni. You might get problems with the Beast but that's solved by reloading an earlier save and putting specter oil on your sword.
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Xander77 posted:I never felt as though the problem with W1 was the fighting gameplay - that's fairly competent for what it is. The dialogs were the really janky part for me. Blank-eyed mannequins reciting an alien robots idea of noir-speak right past each other. I think they redid a lot of the voice acting in the Enhanced Edition. But hey at least Geralt's voice actor learned a lot between the two games.
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Turin Turambar posted:There was a scene on the books where she "burned out" of magic, I don't know the English term, but she was totally incapable of doing normal magic anymore. Which is part of the reason she lived in No Man's Land in the last books, though I can't remember if just in the end she somehow recovered?? Yeah I know. I'm just saying I got the impression the block was largely psychological (it happened after she drew on Fire, which is a big no-no, especially for her), and if she really did bring Geralt and Yennefer back from the dead she clearly has some kind of magic still. Demiurge4 posted:I think they redid a lot of the voice acting in the Enhanced Edition. But hey at least Geralt's voice actor learned a lot between the two games. I've heard that they barely had any voice direction for the first game's dub but I have no idea if that's true. I can confirm that Enhanced Edition Witcher 1 Dandelion is still loving awful though.
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The Sharmat posted:I can confirm that Enhanced Edition Witcher 1 Dandelion is still loving awful though. Dandelion is just terrible in general. I've only played the Enhanced Version and I never quite got why people bitched about the voice acting so much. Sure, it's not GOOD but I wouldn't consider it bad enough to complain like some people did. I didn't realize that it was worse at one time. Maybe I should try to find examples of the original dub and see what all the fuss is about.
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The voice work is bad, but "bad" is just on the lower end of average for video games. If you compare it to an average Bioware or Obsidian game, TW1's voice work looks like crap though. And I think that's what most people are doing. Loved TW2's though and I suspect TW3's will be at least as good.
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Demiurge4 posted:I think they redid a lot of the voice acting in the Enhanced Edition. But hey at least Geralt's voice actor learned a lot between the two games. But the final product still forces you to review every conversation once it's finished, so that you can figure out how each sides monolog relates to the other side's.
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The Sharmat posted:The voice work is bad, but "bad" is just on the lower end of average for video games. If you compare it to an average Bioware or Obsidian game, TW1's voice work looks like crap though. And I think that's what most people are doing. Bioware may have good voice actors, but their voice direction is really awful. I noticed it especially when watching some scenes from DAI. It's like, the writing is fine and the VA is fine, but it just sounds like everything was read out of context.
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I haven't played DAI but I've never found Bioware's writing particularly good, just adequate, saved by good voice acting. Opinions, I guess.
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When people say bad voice acting, I think Deus Ex bad voice acting, RE1 bad voice acting, not Not-A-Bioware-Game bad voice acting.
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The voice acting pre-EE was really really terrible. Probably 90% of that is that the text itself was completely unintelligible gibberish.
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:The voice acting pre-EE was really really terrible. Probably 90% of that is that the text itself was completely unintelligible gibberish. That sounds more fun than the EE  Just finished W1, the endbosses face melted so fast from Igni it broke the script. Pretty neat once you get past the run back-and-forth bullshit of the earlygame. Actually I missed it a little when going to W2, god damned consolized inventory and quickwheels. PS if you rush through W1 on easy, do NOT get the fear upgrade on Igni or you'll play "chase the confused monster" on every trash fight \/ I thought boy am I glad I didn't choose those guys side, that would be probably be awkward now sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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What did you think about the plot twist?
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sauer kraut posted:Actually I missed it a little when going to W2, god damned consolized inventory and quickwheels. It's pretty interesting that they included these design decisions that appeared to cater to consoles, yet it took a whole other year for a 360 port to come out and they never attempted a PS3 port.
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sauer kraut posted:\/ I thought boy am I glad I didn't choose those guys side, that would be probably be awkward now If you did, Siegfried becomes Grand Master of the Order of the Flaming Rose. So it's all cool.
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If you really want to play sperg archaeologist you can probably find a copy of TW1's demo, which has most of the prologue and quite a bit of Act 1 in their glorious 1.0 form. Said form actually sold me on the game so there's your indication of how hosed up I am.
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Here, have some lovely new screenshots. They're mostly of environments, but they're really pretty! https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152614616219331.1073741863.9659019330&type=1
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Lava Lamp Goddess posted:Here, have some lovely new screenshots. They're mostly of environments, but they're really pretty! https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152614616219331.1073741863.9659019330&type=1 Hurry up and be May! 
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BBJoey posted:If you really want to play sperg archaeologist you can probably find a copy of TW1's demo, which has most of the prologue and quite a bit of Act 1 in their glorious 1.0 form. Said form actually sold me on the game so there's your indication of how hosed up I am. A lot of the W1 vanilla stuff was a mess because it was just sloppy translation. There are plenty of examples on Youtube for the curious, such as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNp25hRMbTA - EE just brought in voice actors other than second cousins of the developers, as well as fleshing out the dialogue to be a bit richer. In W3 news, I saw something on PCG a week or so ago where they were complaining at the news that Ciri is apparently going to be playable in the game? Something about WAHHHH THE WITCHER IS ABOUT GERALT. I had to laugh.
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Cuntpunch posted:A lot of the W1 vanilla stuff was a mess because it was just sloppy translation. There are plenty of examples on Youtube for the curious, such as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNp25hRMbTA - EE just brought in voice actors other than second cousins of the developers, as well as fleshing out the dialogue to be a bit richer. A playable woman who is also a lesbian or at least bisexual? Sounds like SJW propaganda to me 
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So who is getting the collectors edition? I'm seriously considering it. The necklace and Griffin look way too bloody awesome to pass up. But it's also expensive as gently caress!
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I'm getting one, but the company is providing it. We have the contents of the collector's edition in the hall and it's all pretty high quality as far as I can tell. Map should be cloth, but whatever.
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