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theflyingorc posted:Try it with objects at your desk, pieces of paper and whatever else you've got. Your two "exits" are going to be approximately the same size as your middle unless you do some really, really weird twisting in an attempt to do it on purpose.  You are literally the dumbest person in the world, holy poo poo. It is so very simple to understand how you can have a bulge in the middle and still have the ends be narrow that I wonder if you've ever left your mother's basement and interacted with objects in the real world. And before you spout off LOL THE ENDS ARE THE SAME SIZE AS THE MIDDLE - it would be trivial to wind the outsides more tightly. It is also trivial to imagine that you could do a less extreme version of this with a smaller, or longer object in the center so that the ends were only a little more tightly wound than the middle. Am I misunderstanding your point, or are you just completely unable to comprehend three dimensional shapes?
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Dec 18, 2014 19:27
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nucleicmaxid posted:
Are you seriously comparing a sweet wrapper to a wrestling mat I have no dog in this fight and the case itself is barely interesting never mind scary or unnerving, but you can't roll a wrestling mat into a tube, with some large object in the centre of said tube, and have one end be significantly narrower than the other, and I'm struggling to understand why so few of you are grasping that.
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Dec 18, 2014 19:56
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Welp, Wikipedia's featured article today certainly fits the bill. Murder and rape of a 14 year old girl who is subsequently victim blamed by the media. 
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stickyfngrdboy posted:Are you seriously comparing a sweet wrapper to a wrestling mat I have seen it done before, so I don't know why you and one other person keep claiming that it can't happen? edit: Plus the other guy said you couldn't do it with anything, and even suggested trying to use paper to show that it couldn't happen. Disregarding all of that, peoples' shoulders can hunch inward and become smaller than their full width, thus negating this whole thing even further than actual geometry does all on its own. Yngwie Mangosteen has a new favorite as of 20:08 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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nucleicmaxid posted:I have seen it done before, so I don't know why you and one other person keep claiming that it can't happen? Well if you say you saw it, that's evidence enough for me lol. I'm not that fussed. That Leigh Leigh link is of the worst things I've seen in this thread or the other threads like this. Read with caution.
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nucleicmaxid posted:
I just want to point out that he specifically said it couldn't be done unless you twisted the ends, as your sweet wrapper proved, ironically.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inokashira_Park_dismemberment_incidentquote:In the morning April 23, 1994, in a trash can in Inokashira Park in Tokyo, a park worker discovered two hands, two feet, a right shoulder, an ankle and scattered pieces of flesh and bone, totaling 24 pieces of a human body, in a waste disposal bag. The head, chest, and genitals have never been found. A pretty interesting and depressing website to hit the random page button to: http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Unsolved_Mysteries_Wiki
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stickyfngrdboy posted:I just want to point out that he specifically said it couldn't be done unless you twisted the ends, as your sweet wrapper proved, ironically. We used to do it back in high school, we'd roll someone up in one and it'd look like a snake swallowed them. It's pretty easy to see how a bulge could cause the foam to expand around the middle, but not on the ends where there's nothing inside the roll to force it outward.
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Dec 18, 2014 21:09
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Wedemeyer posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inokashira_Park_dismemberment_incident Jesus Christ. It's like an actual version of the poo poo in Japanese horror movies.
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The Sulfanilamide Disaster, or Why the 1938 Food and Drug Act was Passed. Back in the Wild West Days to which the libertarians would like to return us, you could slap any drat thing you liked in a bottle and call it medicine. In 1906, in response to Sinclair Lewis's The Jungle the U.S. passed the Pure Food and Drug act of 1906. For drugs, the act specified that (A) a medication label couldn't "be false or misleading in any particular" and (B) if you included any of 11 "dangerous ingredients", including heroin, morphine, cocaine, and alcohol, you had to give the quantity. You didn't have to list anything other than the 11 ingredients, but if you did list them, you had to give the dosage accurately. It became clear pretty quickly that the 1906 Act wasn't good enough, but people argued about what would be better for years. Then, in 1937, came the Elixir Sulfanilamide incident. Sulfanilamide was one of the early antibiotics, the namesake of the "sulfa drugs". It works quite well, but it isn't very soluble, so it was sold in tablet or powder form. A chemist named Harold Cole Watkins discovered that you could dissolve sulfanilamide in diethylene glycol. His employer, S.E. Massengill Co, made up the solution, added raspberry flavoring, saccharin, and caramel, tested it for " flavor, appearance, and fragrance", and sent it out. You may notice a missing test there. Massengill didn't test for either safety or effectiveness. Under the 1906 Act, they didn't have to. Harold Cole Watkins didn't even bother to check the medical literature, which would have told him that diethylene glycol could cause renal failure and death. Elixir Sulfanilamide was sent out to pharmacies and sold, and people -- children in particular -- started dying in great pain. Through heroic acts of detection and contact tracing, the FDA managed to retrieve or account for 228 gallons and 2 pints of elixir from the 240 gallons that had been produced. If you've got the time, click through the individual states in Dr. Barbara Martin's round-up of the lengths the FDA went to in order to retrieve remaining elixir from pharmacies and the individual patients, and to count the dead. All told, at least 96 people died from ingesting Elixir Sulfanilamide, with more deaths probable but not proven. Then it came time to prosecute Massengill for killing all those people. It turned out they couldn't be. Elixir Sulfanilamide didn't contain, or claim to contain, any of the 11 dangerous drugs. It didn't list the diethylene glycon on the label, but there was nothing illegal about that. Massengill didn't have to test diethylene glycol for toxicity. There was only one thing Massengill was on the hook for: "Elixir Sulfanilamide" didn't contain alcohol, and legally if you called a medicine an elixir there had to be alcohol in it. If it hadn't been for that irrelevant (as far as toxicity went) error, the FDA wouldn't have had the legal authority to recall the drug at all. The Elixir Sulfanilamide disaster hastened the passage of the 1938 Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, which said that you had to safety-test products intended for human consumption. There is a Wiki page, but it isn't nearly as good as the FDA page. I highly recommend Dr. Martin's book, Elixir; it's a page-turner.
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Dec 18, 2014 22:56
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Stop posting about wrestling mats! You can keep discussing the case, but drat, that part is getting really old.
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Dec 18, 2014 23:24
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What's the status on debating rasslin' cushions?
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New topic! Not wiki and only mildly unnerving, but it has nothing to do with wrestling mats. Twinspeak! How twins will form their own secret language during early childhood. The Bryan brothers consider it an important part of their doubles tennis strategy: http://nautil.us/issue/6/secret-codes/the-secret-language-of-tennis-champions A lot of the examples sound like bad English but the underlying grammatical structure that occurs across multiple languages with twinspeak is intriguing. Somewhat related: in the 70s and 80s, students of a school for the deaf in Nicaragua independently and without direction created their own language. We get a lot of scary stories about people like Genie who grow up in isolation and never form any real language skills, but get a few Homo sapiens together and they'll figure something out, especially as babies or very young children: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Sign_Language
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Wedemeyer posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inokashira_Park_dismemberment_incident They have a statute of limitations on murder? You could walk into a police station and admit to this, and they could do anything? Japan is mental
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Dec 19, 2014 09:40
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Amphigory posted:They have a statute of limitations on murder? I'm pretty sure the case has been brought up before, but there's that literal cannibal who is a celebrity there.
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Sebastian Vettel posted:I'm pretty sure the case has been brought up before, but there's that literal cannibal who is a celebrity there. His release was really France's fault, Japan couldn't legally hold him in custody because they couldn't get the necessary court documents. The celebrity thing is bizarre though. There's also that murderer that was released under a new name, but apparently is still considered dangerous enough that they notified the public that he's out there. Kimmalah has a new favorite as of 11:52 on Dec 19, 2014 |
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Dec 19, 2014 11:50
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Sebastian Vettel posted:I'm pretty sure the case has been brought up before, but there's that literal cannibal who is a celebrity there. Oh yeah I knew about him, but I thought that was a weird quirk of that particular case What other legal oddness goes on there?
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Dec 19, 2014 12:33
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Kimmalah posted:There's also that murderer that was released under a new name, but apparently is still considered dangerous enough that they notified the public that he's out there. It's kind of useless to let people know while hiding his name. I have mixed feelings about Japan using that system, it can be good in some ways, but notifying people he's out there just...accomplishes nothing.
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Dec 19, 2014 16:23
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They recently increased the statute of limitations on murder... to 25 years. Having one for murder isn't that unusual, though, a bunch of countries in continental Europe have them.
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Yea I always thought it was strange that the cannibal guy from Japan has been able to live such a public life without any real problems that I know of. I mean I know Dexter isn't real but I'd think the guy would have to fear for his safety, or at least become a recluse and withdraw from the public. What about the family of the girl he murdered? Do they get like half his income or something?
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Amphigory posted:Oh yeah I knew about him, but I thought that was a weird quirk of that particular case Well, I happen to have a bit of experience with the Nipponese legal system, and it's quite a bit different from the judicial practices held here in the states. Most of my experience comes from my short term as an assistant to a defense attorney, and their responsibilities go far above and beyond what our counterparts are tasked with. First, since 2012, the Japanese courts switched to an Inquisitive System, which has helped them push through cases in a very quickly (too quickly, perhaps) fashion. How quickly? Attorneys only have three days to convince the judge (having done away with the rabble box we call a jury) whether or not the accused is guilty. This adds a lot of pressure to attorneys, specifically defense attorneys who may have an innocent person's life in their hands. Further streamlining the system is a tight relationship between the Japanese police force and the legal system, and since public defenders usually have one case per three days, attorney's sometimes step into the shoes of an investigator. I know it sounds crazy, but first hand knowledge of the crime scene, witness statements and relevant evidence is vital in the heated back-and-forth that fills a Japanese courtroom. It can get pretty exciting as a bystander, but the pressure on the defense makes for a relatively high turnover. Anyway, I bet there's someone here who can give you more pointed examples of people people screwed/absolved/eaten by Japan's Inquisitive System. I only spent a few months there as part of a work-study program.
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LawfulWaffle posted:Well, I happen to have a bit of experience with the Nipponese legal system, and it's quite a bit different from the judicial practices held here in the states. Most of my experience comes from my short term as an assistant to a defense attorney, and their responsibilities go far above and beyond what our counterparts are tasked with. Do you have a citation on any of that? You've pretty much exactly described a Phoenix Wright game but those games started coming out long before 2012.
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BattleMaster posted:Do you have a citation on any of that? You've pretty much exactly described a Phoenix Wright game but those games started coming out long before 2012. Pretty sure that's  (although Phoenix Wright is less exaggerated than one might think; the Japanese criminal justice system is pretty stacked against the accused).In fact, Japan reintroduced jury ("lay judge") trials in 2009, having abolished them in 1943.
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Silver2195 posted:Pretty sure that's  I think it would have worked a bit better if the year was the release year for the first game. I knew the Japanese system was hosed (police allowed to use coercive methods to get a confession, guilt being the default state upon a trial starting, and such) but Phoenix Wright is just a bit worse.
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The Japanese death penalty is also sort of weird. The prisoner doesn't know the day of execution until that morning, nobody outside of the prison finds out until afterwards, and it is done via hanging. Regardless of what you think about about capital punishment, it's crazy to tell some guy he might be killed tomorrow or a few years from now but that he'll never know until that day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Japan
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The Monkey Man posted:They recently increased the statute of limitations on murder... to 25 years. Having one for murder isn't that unusual, though, a bunch of countries in continental Europe have them. Germany used to have a statute of limitations for murder of 20 years. For Nazi crimes this would have caused the SOL to expire in 1965 (counting from the end of WW2). So the Bundestag first shifted the date from which the SOL was counted to 1949 (founding date of the Federal Republic), then in 1969 they lengthened the SOL to 30 years. The SOL for murder and genocide was finally abolished entirely in 1979.
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benito posted:The Japanese death penalty is also sort of weird. The prisoner doesn't know the day of execution until that morning, nobody outside of the prison finds out until afterwards, and it is done via hanging. Regardless of what you think about about capital punishment, it's crazy to tell some guy he might be killed tomorrow or a few years from now but that he'll never know until that day: Isn't it done like this largely to gently caress up any chance of an appeal process?
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The Monkey Man posted:They recently increased the statute of limitations on murder... to 25 years. Having one for murder isn't that unusual, though, a bunch of countries in continental Europe have them. Are you sure they didn't abolish it completely? I'm turning up a bunch of news stories that say the Diet threw out the statute of limitations on murder in 2010.
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Kid Fenris posted:Are you sure they didn't abolish it completely? I'm turning up a bunch of news stories that say the Diet threw out the statute of limitations on murder in 2010. Maybe, I checked up on that years ago.
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Jose posted:Isn't it done like this largely to gently caress up any chance of an appeal process? I don't know, I'd almost rather have a vague idea of when I was going to die, rather than the exact date. If you knew the exact date, you'd just be focusing on it like mad and driving yourself insane. At least if it's vague you might sometimes feel like you've got another day to live if you're lucky.
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Basebf555 posted:Yea I always thought it was strange that the cannibal guy from Japan has been able to live such a public life without any real problems that I know of. I mean I know Dexter isn't real but I'd think the guy would have to fear for his safety, or at least become a recluse and withdraw from the public. What about the family of the girl he murdered? Do they get like half his income or something? I watched a really interesting documentary on him including interviews and he's not really a celebrity so much as a morbid curiosity. He gets drug out for weird interviews and stuff like that every full moon but he's almost destitute because no one will hire him for anything and he basically lives completely isolated and depressed. I think it ended with him talking about how much his life sucked and how he was either going to kill himself eventually or was just ready to die or something
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Aesop Poprock posted:I watched a really interesting documentary on him including interviews and he's not really a celebrity so much as a morbid curiosity. He gets drug out for weird interviews and stuff like that every full moon but he's almost destitute because no one will hire him for anything and he basically lives completely isolated and depressed. I think it ended with him talking about how much his life sucked and how he was either going to kill himself eventually or was just ready to die or something Vice did a documentary on him that more fully explains his situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BosZxa1bYcE  (really graphic, horrible images included)
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I don't know, I'd almost rather have a vague idea of when I was going to die, rather than the exact date. If you knew the exact date, you'd just be focusing on it like mad and driving yourself insane. At least if it's vague you might sometimes feel like you've got another day to live if you're lucky. Not with Japan;s 99+% conviction rate. If you're arrested there you're going to prison
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Sounds like Japan is a modern day Soviet Union, with how the Gulag system worked. In the USSR, official documents were holy writ, and if the government ever recognized publicly that one conviction was bad, it would call all the other convictions into question, and that was unacceptable. That's how you ended up with 2/3 of the country cycling through the Gulag at some point or another from 1935 to the late 1960s.
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Jose posted:Not with Japan;s 99+% conviction rate. If you're arrested there you're going to prison by the time you have been sentenced to death and are awaiting execution you have already been arrested and put in prison yo
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:A few months back I had to get an MRI of my neck, and they had me lie down on a plastic brace, which was then screwed into place around my neck to hold me perfectly still. I'm not claustrophobic in an MRI and it only took like 15 minutes, so it didn't bother me. My best friend/roommate in college had lymphoma and had to wear one of these. We wound up keeping it in our room, sometimes leaving it on the pillow for cleaning people to find over break.
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Talking of claustrophobia and caves, check this video of a guy getting stuck. It's not graphic or anything but gives you an idea of how pant-shittingly terrifying getting stuck in a cave is. Getting Stuck in 'The Tube' - Lost Johns Cave: http://youtu.be/hS_aMAlAaeU
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Rondette posted:Talking of claustrophobia and caves, check this video of a guy getting stuck. It's not graphic or anything but gives you an idea of how pant-shittingly terrifying getting stuck in a cave is. So naturally this poo poo led to me finding this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbbS4qhVKjk
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Thanks for all the interesting Japan and SOL info, folks
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