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you won't point to anything concrete, or really state anything whatsoever. you just keep saying "THOSE guys. THOSE guys are wrong. you'll see. even if he loses they are wrong" which doesn't actually mean anything
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david carmichael posted:so what do you think he can do, that other people thinks he can't? like what part of his skill set are we underestimating
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david carmichael posted:you won't point to anything concrete, or really state anything whatsoever. you just keep saying "THOSE guys. THOSE guys are wrong. you'll see. even if he loses they are wrong" which doesn't actually mean anything hahahaha
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cams posted:i think he is a really tough dude with a ton of willpower and i don't really have trouble believing he could stand against a guy with 0-2 pro fights under his belt absolutely nobody claimed otherwise
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Are you really taking personal my assertion that anyone identifying as straight edge is, uhhhh, a bad f word
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also, to clarify: he is not a green lantern so "willpower" doesn't actually matter
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Skip My Posts posted:Are you really taking personal my assertion that anyone identifying as straight edge is, uhhhh, a bad f word you're welcome
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david carmichael posted:also, to clarify: he is not a green lantern so "willpower" doesn't actually matter Having a lot of willpower matters. It is a good way to get really, really badly injured because you don't tap when you're completely hosed.
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david carmichael posted:also, to clarify: he is not a green lantern so "willpower" doesn't actually matter Lol
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but i'm genuinely curious if you watch/follow/care about mma at all or if you are basing your opinions of his toughness and willpower exclusively on pro-wrestling stuff
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david carmichael posted:also, to clarify: he is not a green lantern so "willpower" doesn't actually matter
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david carmichael posted:also, to clarify: he is not a green lantern so "willpower" doesn't actually matter He's tough
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in brightest day in blackest night never shall i watch a fight cm punk i will white knight YOU WILL ALL SEE IM RIGHT
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david carmichael posted:but i'm genuinely curious if you watch/follow/care about mma at all or if you are basing your opinions of his toughness and willpower exclusively on pro-wrestling stuff seriously the phenomenon of people being super defensive in this thread about a wrestleguy coming in to the ufc is really weird. like people believe that dudes on the facebook prelims are godlike warriors who's skills are trained like ninjas i've said "i think punk is more capable than people in this thread are saying" and a bunch of people are freaking out
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david carmichael posted:in brightest day in blackest night Hahahaha
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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cams posted:yes my mma dick is in fact bigger than yours You've made a lot of bad posts.
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Seltzer posted:You've made a lot of bad posts.
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cams posted:yes my mma dick is in fact bigger than yours lots of pro-wrestlers have successfully transitioned into mma. everyone pretty much unanimously said that punk would be better than someone with his level of experience. we are trying to figure out what you are arguing against. no one is being defensive
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couldn't even get through his father's abuse and become a healthy adult who can responsibly enjoy a few beers every now and then. Doesn't sound so tough to me
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camsteh
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david carmichael posted:lots of pro-wrestlers have successfully transitioned into mma. everyone pretty much unanimously said that punk would be better than someone with his level of experience. we are trying to figure out what you are arguing against. no one is being defensive
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yea ok posted:camsteh
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david carmichael posted:so what do you think he can do, that other people thinks he can't? like what part of his skill set are we underestimating The girl voice in that 90s "Anything you can do I can do better" Gatorade commercial starring Michael Jordan and Mia Hamm was CM Punk all along
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Skip My Posts posted:couldn't even get through his father's abuse and become a healthy adult who can responsibly enjoy a few beers every now and then. Doesn't sound so tough to me Hell I never thought about it that way. Guy can't even drink a beer, how's he going to take a punch. Messed up when wussy babies try and do sports for adults.
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cams posted:that's cool, i disagree with your summary of this thread. i see a lot more people discounting him completely and those are the ones i am speaking to. you don't need to keep defending the others any more. the further thing is: someone making their debut will be much worse than someone fighting on the ufc's prelims. so to say that someone on the ufc's prelims isn't a highly trained athlete is very silly. a good comparable is mats nilsson, who is a small 185 pounder and is fighting in the opening fight of a non-televised prelim in a few weeks. mats nilsson is black belt in judo, a world champion in no-gi bjj at brown belt level and has been training muay thai for 8 years. he's currently 0-1 in the ufc. he would absolutely crush punk if the fight were to happen today.
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Someone just put up some footage of punk doing some real light sparring and I gotta say he looks a lot better than I ever thought he would http://youtu.be/qbVvPN9GncQ
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mats nilsson is a marginal ufc fighter, who has been fighting professionally since 2008. there is a reason punk won't be fighting a current ufc fighter and that reason is: the fight would not be even close to fair
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Name names. Who are these foppish defensive hand wringers who refuse to believe in CM Punk?
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david carmichael posted:absolutely nobody claimed otherwise to be fair, people did specifically claim that he would get beaten up by a 68-year man and also by a dude picked entirely at random from the general population in the absence of concrete information about how good his health and BJJ skills really are, I'd like to add that I also believe CM Punk would tap to a medium-sized bird that flew in his window and wouldn't leave, Necro Butcher in the CP Munk gimmick, and also the metaphorical concept of shame
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FullLeatherJacket posted:to be fair, people did specifically claim that he would get beaten up by a 68-year man and also by a dude picked entirely at random from the general population punk got 50/50 odds against a randomly selected 18-31 year old, which seems fair
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just a reminder that cams thinks that bendo won all his fights and the judges had nothing to do with it he watches fight, he just watches them like a retard
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Yuriy posted:just a reminder that cams thinks that bendo won all his fights and the judges had nothing to do with it
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oh god this is like choosing which of my idiot children i hate the most
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"This 'CM Punk' is deceptively strong!"
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listen. can't we just say that everything you've both ever done has completely disappointed me
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david carmichael posted:oh god this is like choosing which of my idiot children i hate the most the reason you have decided to stand up for this thread as some bastion of reasonable opinions is unknown to me but its weird
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cams posted:you are trying to make me have a serious discussion about the fact that i think a lot of people in this thread are being dumb i am not standing up for the thread. i am saying that you, personally, are stupid.
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to be clear: just because i think you are wrong does not necessarily mean i think anyone else is right.
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The 40 year old guy who can't drink a beer without crying about his childhood has incredible willpower
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david carmichael posted:i am not standing up for the thread. i am saying that you, personally, are stupid.
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