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What the gently caress?  So he's openly admitting that he hosed over his own case by letting any jackass off the street lie to the grand jury? What he did doesn't shock me nearly as much as him being so utterly brazen and unapologetic about it. How the gently caress do you do that and maintain any credibility whatsoever as a prosecutor?
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Like this is the part for me that is really making me twitch. We're supposed to believe in this system, even when it's really, obviously on the take since doing so maintains public order and "we can't know" what really is going on and how dare we, the plebs, judge it? Then the system straight up admits it was doing things the way people feared and everyone is supposed to be fine with that. The fact that this man hasn't been disbarred and/or removed sullies the entire process if what he is saying is as bad as it sounds. I'm supposed to believe a man that scuttles his own case for a guy he probably doesn't even know, just out of some sort of family/professional loyalty isn't making all sorts of unethical and dubious moves on his other cases? No one else with any power sees any problem with this? Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Dec 19, 2014 |
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Dec 19, 2014 21:05
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Radish posted:Like this is the part for me that is really making me twitch. We're supposed to believe in this system, even when it's really, obviously on the take since doing so maintains public order and "we can't know" what really is going on and how dare we, the plebs, judge it? Then the system straight up admits it was doing things the way people feared and everyone is supposed to be fine with that. The fact that this man hasn't been disbarred and/or removed sullies the entire process if what he is saying is as bad as it sounds. That's what's really galling about this to me. McCullough must know he's untouchable, so he's just standing up and giving everyone both middle-fingers, gloating about committing outright injustice as a state prosecutor. Anyone who's paying close enough attention knows poo poo like this has always gone on behind the scenes, but lately it seems like the culprits feel safe enough to come out and say "yeah, we're loving you over, what are you going to do about it?"
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Dec 19, 2014 21:22
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Radish posted:I'm supposed to believe a man that scuttles his own case for a guy he probably doesn't even know, just out of some sort of family/professional loyalty isn't making all sorts of unethical and dubious moves on his other cases? No one else with any power sees any problem with this? Oh come on, don't be unfair here. Most of us haven't figured out how to move past the claim that a prosecutor who's the president of a police support organization doesn't have a bias when investigating cops, let alone dealing with how to believe that he hasn't hosed up other cases.
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Any chance people can start a movement to get that prick disbarred?
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Dec 19, 2014 21:48
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Spun Dog posted:Didn't McCulloch single out the testimony of this witness when he gave his "You are all wrong and there's nothing to see here" press conference? and treat it as credible? That is my recollection. I am not going to go back and re-watch 45 minutes of that cocksucker smirking, but I recall him making GBS threads all over witnesses who supported Michael Brown's story, while not doing anything like that to witnesses who supported Wilson's story. That witness is Mark Furhman levels of bullshit. "Well I call black people niggers a lot, so I'll just go down to the ghetto and see how they live." That's the star Daren Wilson witness?? Nevermind that her story is pretty obviously fabricated, like that is just right out of an onion headline, "Daren Wilson justified, says woman who actually calls people niggers."
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Dec 19, 2014 22:52
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Spun Dog posted:Didn't McCulloch single out the testimony of this witness when he gave his "You are all wrong and there's nothing to see here" press conference? and treat it as credible? Skimming the transcript, no he didn't do that. There night be one follow up question but the journalist was referring to a male corroborating Wilson.
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ayn rand hand job posted:Skimming the transcript, no he didn't do that. My recollection may be flawed then. In your skimming, did he single out any of the witnesses who supported Michael Brown to undermine their credibility? Or did he just say "lots of witnesses were not credible"? Contra, did he talk up the credibility of witnesses who supported Wilson's story?
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Dec 19, 2014 23:59
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Radish posted:I mean I thought the whole charade was that *wink, wink* we can't know for sure he was purposely sinking his own case so LEGALLY nothing bad happened. If you are putting up witnesses that you admit are both not credible and also hurt your case I don't know how you can have that sort of plausible deniability anymore. I understand a lot of people here are lawyers, but how are non legal people supposed to have any respect for the process when it is so obviously broken in this regard and there is no reasonably way to fix it? If it makes you feel any better half the law goons in D&D are fraudulent libertarian posers from TFR and other assorted hacks whose might-makes-right legalism is about 9 parts coping mechanism and 1 part 18th century political theory.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:My recollection may be flawed then. In your skimming, did he single out any of the witnesses who supported Michael Brown to undermine their credibility? Or did he just say "lots of witnesses were not credible"? Contra, did he talk up the credibility of witnesses who supported Wilson's story? The one person he discredited in particular was someone who said Brown was executed by being shot in the back which disagreed with the autopsy reports. He also mentioned that there were witnesses who were not present who had testified based off of hearsay or newspaper reports and that they were not credible. There really wasnt a particular reason to ask or talk about Witness 40 at his presser either. The case file had not been released (it was made available just after the presser) so witness 4p was still pretty much an unknown at that point.
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Dec 20, 2014 00:12
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Suborning perjury is still ground for disbarring, yes?
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String up everyone involved in the handling of the Wilson case who has a position of authority
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Suborning perjury is still ground for disbarring, yes? Only if you aren't a da.
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Dec 20, 2014 02:32
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Officer Greg Kwiatkowski repeatedly assaulted a man after he'd been handcuffed. Officer Cariol Horne pulled him off the guy, and then he punched her in the face so hard that she required dental work. The result? She was fired, and he suffered no consequences until he assaulted another officer at a police station some time later.
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Pope Guilty posted:Officer Greg Kwiatkowski repeatedly assaulted a man after he'd been handcuffed. Officer Cariol Horne pulled him off the guy, and then he punched her in the face so hard that she required dental work. The result? She was fired, and he suffered no consequences until he assaulted another officer at a police station some time later. That's... pretty hosed up. But at least after that second incident in the station he was 
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The Locator posted:That's... pretty hosed up. But at least after that second incident in the station he was Actually, that was the third incident  quote:The good cop, who was trying to stop abuse by her peer, was fired for “jumping on Officer Kwaitkowski’s back and/or striking him with her hands,” something that Kwaitkowski himself denied ever happening in a sworn statement.
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Dec 20, 2014 08:02
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Maybe I'm sheltered but I'm fairly sure that in the case of every other job on the planet you're fired the first time you assault a coworker.
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Dr Pepper posted:Maybe I'm sheltered but I'm fairly sure that in the case of every other job on the planet you're fired the first time you assault a coworker. edit: are you kicked out of the military the first time you punch one of your peers?
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Samurai Sanders posted:What other jobs deliberately cultivate violence though? What other job can you assault (as in punch, not bleed on) multiple police officers and not get charged with a crime?
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Dec 20, 2014 08:49
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Police are constantly on edge from having to worry about other trigger happy officers beating them up either at traffic stops or even when they are simply eating lunch outdoors. Therefor if we don't give them the benefit of the doubt when they attack their co-workers you are de facto sentencing them to death. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 after all .
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Dec 20, 2014 14:51
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Suborning perjury is still ground for disbarring, yes? They discredited the specific witness in question in front of the GJ. Good loving luck getting a perjury charge to stick - it's incredibly difficult at the best of times. (Much less suborning perjury charges.)
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Samurai Sanders posted:edit: are you kicked out of the military the first time you punch one of your peers?
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Samurai Sanders posted:Are you kicked out of the military the first time you punch one of your peers? Not necessarily, because the command is going to look at the whole context (i.e. was it justifiable, did it cross ranks, does the soldier have PTSD, does the victim want to pursue civilian prosecution, does the soldier have a past history of poor behavior, was it during a deployment or embarkation, etc.) but you'll probably be looking at a career-ending Article 15, a variety of restrictions and extra duties, and potentially a drop in rank. And certainly soldiers do get discharged for punching people. In fact there was a crackdown in the 2000's over "pinning" or "blooding", which was a traditional form of hazing following a promotion, and people were being (justifiably) discharged over strikes that weren't even done in anger: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/04/13664643-soldier-who-hit-colleague-with-wooden-mallet-is-disciplined?lite Kaal fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Dec 20, 2014 |
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Dec 20, 2014 19:50
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Looks like the war is beginning http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-cops-shot-execution-style-in-brooklyn/
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So there's a BlackLivesMatter protest at Mall of America today. 
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:Looks like the war is beginning
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:Looks like the war is beginning I can't help but laugh at how much the cops are going to give way more of a poo poo about their own dying in the line of duty than some black guy dying in the line of selling cigarettes.
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Panzeh posted:I can't help but laugh at how much the cops are going to give way more of a poo poo about their own dying in the line of duty than some black guy dying in the line of selling cigarettes. Agreed. Those two cops weren't any more "tragic heroes" than the guy who got strangled to death while quietly working to feed his wife and six kids, but you can already see the media warming up for a sloppy police BJ story.
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Dec 21, 2014 00:07
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gently caress this guy not for what he did but for the inevitable legislative response
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:Looks like the war is beginning I knew it. I loving knew it. The police had their choice. Now they start counting the body bags.
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I've already seen one person on Facebook say these protests have gone far enough. gently caress this country
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:gently caress this guy not for what he did but for the inevitable legislative response No, gently caress him for what he did too. He murdered three people. gently caress him again for the blowback he's going to cause, but mostly gently caress him for the murder.
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Job Truniht posted:I knew it. I loving knew it. The police had their choice. Now they start counting the body bags. Voyager I posted:No, gently caress him for what he did too. He murdered three people. 
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:Looks like the war is beginning Everything is justified. No mercy to
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KomradeX posted:I've already seen one person on Facebook say these protests have gone far enough. gently caress this country The idea that different people speak up for different causes seems to be lost on a great many. Greenpeace didn't speak up for Eric Garner. PETA's mission doesn't include educating the public about gerrymandering.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Surely now the revolution is upon us comrade. I would love to live in a world where there weren't people whose first reaction to three dead people was to think of the optics.
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Voyager I posted:I would love to live in a world where there weren't people whose first reaction to three dead people was to think of the optics. Sorry, I misspoke. I meant "gently caress this rear end in a top hat. Not because he killed people, but because of the inevitable legislative response."
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Misogynist posted:I had a guy like "where's Al Sharpton now?" It's less that they don't understand people speak up for different causes and more they're racists. Also have seen a guy saying that he wished we lived in the Old West, he's not a friend of mine but he posted that on another friends status about the subject which isn't great but isn't a shitheaded opinion. And gently caress the number of Thin Blue Line profile pictures popping up. loving Staten Island is the worst
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 Supposedly from the culprit's instagram today. This is real bad. If the police weren't already paranoid and angry at young black men they sure as poo poo will be now, and their lack of sympathy toward anybody protesting the deaths of Garner and Brown is going to turn into outright hostility if they associate them with this rear end in a top hat, and I won't be surprised at all if they do just that. Edit: quote:Retired NYPD detective Harry Houck wasted no time in blaming those protests and the people behind them for what happened today. He said the demonstrations have “all be predicated on lies,” and even went so far as to declare, “We have two dead police officers, and I guess Al Sharpton got what he wanted.” Well that was fast. Rhesus Pieces fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Dec 21, 2014 |
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