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Powershift posted:Ford still puts the 2 valve 5.4 in the E350 cutaway that makes a pavement pounding 255hp. They say they're going to keep building it until "the end of the decade" as well. All of our ambulances have the 7.3 TD, but we idle them for literally days at a time. Queen_Combat fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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This blows my mind; the average ambulance here is equipped with a 2.5-3.0 diesel.
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Slavvy posted:This blows my mind; the average ambulance here is equipped with a 2.5-3.0 diesel. You try hauling around Americans with a 3.0 and see how it works out for you.
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Memento posted:Yeah the 5.0L Holden engine of the early-mid 90s made 185kW, or about 250hp. Bigger engine for even less power than the BMW! That was the clubsport version wasn't it? Standard 5L v8 from holden and ford only had 165kW. The ford stock standard 4L straight 6cyl had 157kW by the mid 90s, with more to come. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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Slavvy posted:That's a respectable figure for the 80's. To be fair, the engine was swapped from a 93 Lumina. My college ex-girlfriend drove a 95 Lumina and it was awfully slow.
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Fo3 posted:That was the clubsport version wasn't it? Standard 5L v8 from holden and ford only had 165kW. The ford stock standard 4L straight 6cyl had 157kW by the mid 90s, with more to come. Yeah, SS had 165, Clubsport had 185 and GTS (lol) had 215. Boat meet anchor.
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MrYenko posted:The 1984-1986 Fieros are literally a microcosm of why GM is so full of fail. Don't forget the idiotic requirement that it had to consistently had to sell over 100,000 units per year. The C4 Corvette is another example of a good car nearly ruined by corporate idiocy. Roger Smith, with respect, was probably the worst automotive CEO of the last 35 years. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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ratbert90 posted:Haha, 3.4L DOHC and only 220hp? Sweet jesus that's terrible. That figure is incredibly decent for that time especially considering that its a domestic engine. You have to remember this is the same era when the 130hp 3.0L Ford engine was considered perfectly acceptable.
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SO the Hellcats are starting to hit the market. http://www.tflcar.com/2014/12/first-2015-dodge-challenger-hellcat-sold-in-colorado-crashed/ quote:This crash took place at 8:07pm MST on December 19th, 2014. The 2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat driver, 34-year-old Lance Utley of Winter Park, CO, was traveling northbound on Riverdale Rd. The driver lost control to the right, then overcorrected and lost control to the left, and struck a tree head on. There were two additional occupants in the vehicle. The driver was charged with careless driving. Drugs or alcohol were not involved. There was no mention of excessive speeding. All three occupants were unhurt.
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Silly boy, 4,500lb Dodges can't turn for poo poo.
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FatCow posted:Silly boy, 4,500lb Dodges can't turn for poo poo. quote:It’s powered by a 707 horsepower 6.2L Supercharged HEMI V8. This is the most powerful production Dodge muscle car engine of all time. It should be treated with respect. Also, the performance tires that it wears from the factory cannot perform well at temperatures near 32F (as it was in this case). Cold tires on a blind crest with a sweeper.
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1500quidporsche posted:That figure is incredibly decent for that time especially considering that its a domestic engine. You have to remember this is the same era when the 130hp 3.0L Ford engine was considered perfectly acceptable. Oh I love me a good domestic, but the 3.0 VULCAN V6 is a poo poo motor as well.
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ratbert90 posted:Oh I love me a good domestic, but the 3.0 VULCAN V6 is a poo poo motor as well. You say that, but when your car blows a head gasket and you're too lazy to change it you'll be singing a different tune.
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Slavvy posted:That's a respectable figure for the 80's. BMW's first 4.0L DOHC v8 made 280hp in 1993. You could reasonably expect around 150-200hp from a NA Japanese ~3.0L engine of the time. Especially with American emissions standards and petrol of the day. My 83 supra's 2.8L inline 6 makes 152hp on a good day 
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1500quidporsche posted:You say that, but when your car blows a head gasket and you're too lazy to change it you'll be singing a different tune. I have owned two tauruses and that motor was poo poo in both of them. The reason why they blow head gaskets is because their poo poo. 
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SaNChEzZ posted:My 83 supra's 2.8L inline 6 makes 152hp on a good day My 86 eta makes 128HP stock
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I had a straight six Jeep Cherokee Sport that barely made 90 HP, but that was degraded from stock.
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How about the Toyota 1FZFE? 4.5l inline 6 with 190hp. To be fair, they handle over 1000hp on stock internals with boost.
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rscott posted:My 86 eta makes 128HP stock Not fair, that engine is low-powered on purpose. BMW were trying something. BlackMK4 posted:How about the Toyota 1FZFE? 4.5l inline 6 with 190hp. To be fair, they handle over 1000hp on stock internals with boost. Those are a glorious engine if you want to cruise along at 15km/h in 4low, utterly unstoppable by any force of man or nature. But only if you can't get/don't want a 1HD-FTE for some reason.
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I liked mine in my FZJ, we never got the diesels here though. Weak head gaskets around cylinder 6 but they are pretty easy to do.
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It gets brought up every time someone mentions power density but the 500 cubic inch (8.2 L) Cadillac V8 made 190 SAE gross HP in 1976, a whopping 23 hp/L. E: You could get this engine in a car weighing 5,236 lbs
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MonkeyNutZ posted:It gets brought up every time someone mentions power density but the 500 cubic inch (8.2 L) Cadillac V8 made 190 SAE gross HP in 1976, a whopping 23 hp/L. My uncle has an early 80s Mustang with 20k on the odometer and swears its a future classic despite the V8 putting out something like 150hp when it was new. Its been the butt of jokes at every family gathering since I've grown up. In recent years he's been panicking since he has TRX tires and his investment is going to go belly up trying to source new ones.
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Throatwarbler posted:SO the Hellcats are starting to hit the trees. Niiice. Summer tires in freezing temps? I also feel like these reports will consistently be stating that drugs/alcohol were not a factor in the crash, but the fact that the driver lacked the talent needed to handle such a beast. I wonder how quickly insurance premiums will rise 
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ratbert90 posted:Haha, 3.4L DOHC and only 220hp? Sweet jesus that's terrible. My first vehicle was a 1980 Ford, equipped with a 351M (5.8L). It had 136 hp, and 262 ft/lbs... when new. We had no idea how many times the odometer had rolled over, but judging by the inch+ thick layer of black sludge I scraped out of the transmission plan, I'd say at least twice.The transmission was held together by black magic and sludge (and on cold days would take up to 5 minutes to actually go into gear), and the engine had almost zero warm oil pressure at idle and a main bearing knock. When I added an oil pressure gauge, it was neat watching the gauge twitch with the knocking. With SAE 60 oil, it would hit about 25-30 PSI at 2500 RPM, drop to about 5 psi at idle on a hot day, and coated the windshield of everyone behind me in oil (along with the rear bumper, tailgate, etc).. I'd guess it was down to well below 100 hp by the time I got it - I actually got my rear end handed to me by a Geo Metro in it. 
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My second vehicle was a 1984 Cutlass. It had the Buick 3.8 V6 mated to the 3 speed auto. Not only that, but the V6 was tired when I got it (had not ONE but TWO spark plug defoulers in it because it needed them). Even after cleaning it and fixing it, it was a gutless blunder. I literally was passed by tractors when I tried to go uphill. To give you an idea- HOW TO HANDLE THE 1973 OIL CRISIS, THE GM WAY: WikiPedia posted:One quick idea was tried by Buick engineers — taking an old Fireball V6 picked up at a junkyard and installing it into a 1974 Buick Apollo. The solution worked so well that GM wanted AMC to put the engine back into production. However, AMC's cost per unit was deemed as too high. Instead of buying completed engines, GM made an offer to buy back the tooling and manufacturing line from AMC in April, 1974, and began building the engines on August 12. GM will bring back the SAAB H engine. I just need to wait for 2060 or so. 
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Hilarious that GM's two best engines are based on 50+ year old designs.
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GM is cool but also retarded.
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Holy crap I just drove a Smart ForTwo for the first time. What a dreadful piece of poo poo. I like small cars, but that thing is truly terrible car stuff that has nothing to do with its size.
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Guinness posted:Holy crap I just drove a Smart ForTwo for the first time. What a dreadful piece of poo poo. I like small cars, but that thing is truly terrible car stuff that has nothing to do with its size. Car2go? I had one for the first time in Calgary. Diesel automatic. What a hateful, awful little machine. Cheaper than a taxi though.
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Guinness posted:Holy crap I just drove a Smart ForTwo for the first time. What a dreadful piece of poo poo. I like small cars, but that thing is truly terrible car stuff that has nothing to do with its size. Which one? The older model with the terrible automated manual transmission or the new one with the real manual or a DCT? Not that it matters because either is still an impractical, overpriced, underpowered piece of garbage. 
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Human Grand Prix posted:GM is retarded. FTFY. When GM get something gloriously right like the ZR1 vette or whatever, it's in spite of the rest of GM's efforts to completely torpedo the whole thing. The LSx is a massive fluke where the planets aligned and someone did a bare-chested rain dance whilst playing the ukulele in a pressurised chamber before penning the design, and they've been riding that train ever since.
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Somewhat Heroic posted:Niiice. Summer tires in freezing temps? I also feel like these reports will consistently be stating that drugs/alcohol were not a factor in the crash, but the fact that the driver lacked the talent needed to handle such a beast. I wonder how quickly insurance premiums will rise I learned that lesson in my car when I got caught in the first winter storm after I bought it. It had a set of Z-Rated Falken tires on it that were great on dry pavement and manageable in the rain, but quickly proved to be utterly useless in the snow. It's nothing short of a loving miracle that I made it home that day without getting stuck or into an accident. I spent most of the 2-hour excursion (normally a 20 minute ride) in First gear trying to delicately flutter the throttle while simultaneously releasing the clutch just enough so the car would move forward without slipping or sliding sideways. It was terribly frustrating and I actually had a cramp in my left leg for a few days after. For safety and sanity reasons, I had a set of snow tires installed the next day and now only use All-Season tires in the warmer months. I never want to go through that poo poo again.
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MonkeyNutZ posted:It gets brought up every time someone mentions power density but the 500 cubic inch (8.2 L) Cadillac V8 made 190 SAE [s]gross/s] net HP in 1976, a whopping 23 hp/L. The hp/L might have been slightly more with the later Olds 307 found in the Cadillac Brougham, but having 140 hp and 250 lb ft on tap gave it limp-dick performance. It was the only car I could never do at least a one-wheel peel in. Fucknag posted:Hilarious that GM's two best engines are based on 50+ year old designs. GM tends to stumble on good engine designs. Sorta like a squirrel that gouged its own eyeballs stumbling over an acorn or two.
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Guinness posted:Holy crap I just drove a Smart ForTwo for the first time. What a dreadful piece of poo poo. I like small cars, but that thing is truly terrible car stuff that has nothing to do with its size. Hands down the worst car I've ever driven. The transmission in the Brabus edition that I drove was absolute garbage. Build quality was awful, interior was awful.
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Powershift posted:Ford still puts the 2 valve 5.4 in the E350 cutaway that makes a pavement pounding 255hp. They say they're going to keep building it until "the end of the decade" as well. Somewhat related, in the television show "The A-Team", the V8 GMC Vandura they used as the heroes' car was so gutless the only way they could do those sick burnouts in every episode was to hose down the rear tires in bleach before the burnout shot. Root Bear posted:I learned that lesson in my car when I got caught in the first winter storm after I bought it. It had a set of Z-Rated Falken tires on it that were great on dry pavement and manageable in the rain, but quickly proved to be utterly useless in the snow. It's nothing short of a loving miracle that I made it home that day without getting stuck or into an accident. In snow/ice driving with a manual, start in second gear instead of first, much easier to get going without slipping the tires so much.
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HotCanadianChick posted:In snow/ice driving with a manual, start in second gear instead of first, much easier to get going without slipping the tires so much. This was the only way my Saturn was drivable in the wintertime.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Somewhat related, in the television show "The A-Team", the V8 GMC Vandura they used as the heroes' car was so gutless the only way they could do those sick burnouts in every episode was to hose down the rear tires in bleach before the burnout shot. yeah, but that was the 80s. I'm talking about ford potentially using a 255hp 5.4 liter V8 in the year two thousand and twenty. I don't understand how it makes sense to still produce it. They're building 400,000 5.0/6 speed auto combos a year, you would think the scale of economies would make the cost per unit so small compared to 25,000 5.4/5 speed auto combos, not to mention the 305hp/420ftlb 6.8 v10 would be murdered by a 3.5 ecoboost
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Powershift posted:I don't understand how it makes sense to still produce it. They're building 400,000 5.0/6 speed auto combos a year, you would think the scale of economies would make the cost per unit so small compared to 25,000 5.4/5 speed auto combos, not to mention the 305hp/420ftlb 6.8 v10 would be murdered by a 3.5 ecoboost American stigma against the Inline 4, 5, and 6 engines.
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Powershift posted:yeah, but that was the 80s. I'm talking about ford potentially using a 255hp 5.4 liter V8 in the year two thousand and twenty. The 5.4/5spd is already crash and emissions certified in that platform, and has no sales benefit from getting a new power train like a Corvette, Shelby Mustang, Challenger Hellcat, or other low-production model would.
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