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echinopsis posted:It's hard to imagine someone doing a porn just as a once off unless the person was deadly desperate for cash, given that they're then online having the sex forever after .. The girls get offered a couple thousand dollars, and for a lot of 18-20s that's an insane amount of money for a few hours of work and there's more then enough people jumping at that chance then you'd think. 'Exploitive' isn't really a good word for it, they're told upfront what it will entail, sign contracts agreeing to it, etc.
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Nov 15, 2014 21:07
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How? People doing porn aren't inherently taken advantage of just because they had sex on camera. Yes, it probably causes a lot of problems for some people, but it's not much different from any other wage exploitation going on. Even the gonzo amateur stuff seems less exploitative and straightforward than working as stripper, or even a waiter at a lovely place.
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Nov 15, 2014 21:13
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Last Buffalo posted:How? Your shittiest day as a waiter isn't advertised and published on the Internet for everyone to see for all eternity. e. That bring said, I don't have a negative view of pornography. And I do feel that there are other things just as exploitative as convincing someone to do porn who isn't ready or aware of the negative consequences. Like predatory loans, MLM jobs, self help cults, etc. Dillbag fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Nov 15, 2014 23:24
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Maybe not everyone cares as much about it as you do. Like there are times that I go searching for a porn clip that I saw ages ago and sometimes I find it, sometimes I don't. What I'm trying to say is that there's SO loving MUCH porn out there that chances of someone finding the one or five off shoots you did is probably going to be low. Further, some people might not even care if people can find their porn.
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Nov 15, 2014 23:27
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Dillbag posted:Your shittiest day as a waiter isn't advertised and published on the Internet for everyone to see for all eternity. Plus there's websites and forums out there where weirdo dorks congregate to "out" every women in porn by relentlessly emailing their parents and family members and employers, spamming facebooks of their relatives, and put their real name onto imdb and as many other places as they can get the real name out there. Who are these people you ask? Christian conservatives? Radical feminists? Haha, no, not at all - they're porn fans.
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Nov 16, 2014 00:37
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I guess I don't see the difference between what Dark Priest does and all these sleazy dudes doing the gonzo stuff. DP has shot himself loving 18 and 19 year old girls for money in scenes he directed and produced. But it's different because they do more porn movies and are more open about it? Does Dark Priest offer some kind of career planning or consulting before he hires a girl to perform? I get that he does higher production value stuff, but I don't see a huge difference other than he probably does more repeat work with his actresses. I realize that porn isn't horrible or awesome for everyone who's involved. It just seems like people are quick to throw up an arbitrary line about what is cool and what is immoral.
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Last Buffalo posted:Even the gonzo amateur stuff seems less exploitative and straightforward than working as stripper, or even a waiter at a lovely place. Last Buffalo, It has been brought to the attention of Human Resources that you had occasion to work as waitstaff at TGI Fridays from approximately August 2009 until February 2010. Some of our clientele have also expressed concern, and provided us with materials explicitly depicting your activities. As we are a non-lovely employer, your previous experience is incompatible with the image and standards that our organization is proud to uphold. Furthermore, as your duties may potentially include interaction with children, your work history is not considered appropriate for this position as a matter of both legal and moral liability. Welcome to Unemployment City, Population: You The Management edit: Last Buffalo posted:I guess I don't see the difference between what Dark Priest does and all these sleazy dudes doing the gonzo stuff. DP has shot himself loving 18 and 19 year old girls for money in scenes he directed and produced. But it's different because they do more porn movies and are more open about it? Does Dark Priest offer some kind of career planning or consulting before he hires a girl to perform? I get that he does higher production value stuff, but I don't see a huge difference other than he probably does more repeat work with his actresses. quote:I realize that porn isn't horrible or awesome for everyone who's involved. It just seems like people are quick to throw up an arbitrary line about what is cool and what is immoral. Syd Midnight fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Syd Midnight posted:The difference is that DP and his actors are doing it as a career, not as a one-time thing for some quick cash, and you can bet your rear end that if he met with an actor who has never done porn before, he'd go over the pros and cons of the business with them, and in a lot greater detail than he does with goons in a thread. He probably talked about that earlier or in another thread. He has specifically said in previous threads that he does not work with amateurs at all. He only shoots established actors.
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Didn't he shoot a whole movie of girls who are all 18? How are they necessarily "career" people at that point? They may be making more money because they're in a higher tier, but the difference kind of ends there. The only thing that really separates an professional actor from a semi professional is that one can pay their bills with it and the other can't. I don't know if Dark Priest still posts, but I've never read if him talking someone down from doing a porn scene because of the social consequences. Have you ever done that, DP?
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I really want to hear from a daughter of a porn star about if that ever effected them or anything
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Last Buffalo posted:I don't know if Dark Priest still posts, but I've never read if him talking someone down from doing a porn scene because of the social consequences. Have you ever done that, DP? I do recall him mentioning that he doesn't take new talent for his shoots, especially considering the fact that someone backing out last minute would gently caress over the production schedule. Don't recall him ever saying that he was life coaching someone before filming.
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luscious posted:Maybe not everyone cares as much about it as you do. Like there are times that I go searching for a porn clip that I saw ages ago and sometimes I find it, sometimes I don't. What I'm trying to say is that there's SO loving MUCH porn out there that chances of someone finding the one or five off shoots you did is probably going to be low. Further, some people might not even care if people can find their porn. I probably edited my post too quickly. I've very supportive of sex workers and I have no problem with any of it, from porn to prostitution, as long as all parties are not doing anything against their will. BUT, I don't feel good about someone convincing a naive 18-year old picked up from the bus station to make a quick grand by starring in a dodgy shoot without being mature enough to understand the consequences, just like I don't feel good about a 45-year old street walker who is on the stroll at 3:00 in the morning because she needs her next fix. But like other posters have said, Darkpriest is someone who shoots only with established stars, so I don't think this conversation really applies to his work. For those of you asking about what it's like to be a porn star's relative, here's a great article written by a guy who realized Lexi Belle was his adopted cousin while looking for something to masturbate to. http://thehundreds.com/porncousin/
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What makes someone an established vs a newcomer? I think the line is pretty thin. The shelf life of a porn career is not always super long. Like I said before, DarkPriest shot a film that was entirely themed as a bunch of newcomers. Also, isn't his girlfriend who he performs with 18? I'm not trying to paint theses as inherently bad things, but it's not a huge difference from the amateur gonzo stuff. Dark Priest has also been shooting for like 15 years, I'm sure he hasn't always been shooting the same kind of porn the same way.
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Dillbag posted:I probably edited my post too quickly. I've very supportive of sex workers and I have no problem with any of it, from porn to prostitution, as long as all parties are not doing anything against their will. BUT, I don't feel good about someone convincing a naive 18-year old picked up from the bus station to make a quick grand by starring in a dodgy shoot without being mature enough to understand the consequences, just like I don't feel good about a 45-year old street walker who is on the stroll at 3:00 in the morning because she needs her next fix. But like other posters have said, Darkpriest is someone who shoots only with established stars, so I don't think this conversation really applies to his work. This reminds of the guy here that found out his half sister was a pornstar, it remains one of my favorite threads.
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With the amount of women who do porn now, it'd be no surprise to find out anyone had a sister who did it. *shrug*
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sbaldrick posted:This reminds of the guy here that found out his half sister was a pornstar, it remains one of my favorite threads. It was Kacey, here is the thread in question, and I'm pretty sure it was determined to be fake.
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Last Buffalo posted:What makes someone an established vs a newcomer? I think the line is pretty thin. The shelf life of a porn career is not always super long. Someone who has performed in a couple of movies/scenes, has good recommendations from directors/production crew. If it's not their first or second film, then if there's a concern DP could just check her references/past work partners. DP has stated several times when moral crusaders want to come in and bring up the "all porn stars are drug addicts" that people with serious drug habits will get noticed and stop getting work. Certainly there's a party scene the actors get involved with, but a serious coke/meth habit will quickly cause you lose work. It's a professional work environment and everyone needs to come in prepared for a 4-8 hour shoot completely ready and able to perform.
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Pukestain Pal posted:With the amount of women who do porn now, it'd be no surprise to find out anyone had a sister who did it. *shrug* Well there's a difference between having appeared in a few shoots and someone whose made it part of their career
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echinopsis posted:It's hard to imagine someone doing a porn just as a once off unless the person was deadly desperate for cash, given that they're then online having the sex forever after .. I'm pretty sure that Desperate Amateurs is real. Just a bunch of randos doing one off scenes, never to be heard from again.
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The next post in a continuing series about my girlfriend's travels as Janette Littledove's babysitter: "Leaving the rear end in a top hat boyfriend behind was a breath of fresh air to me.. The only issue I held with that arrangement was that I learned that I was traveling with a complete DIVA who treated me like the sole employee of her empire and I suddenly was responsible for everything business related. Also, Jeannette refused to drive.. EVER. She claimed her legs were too short and therefore she would cramp up and ultimately fail in true DRIVING performance.. Initially I was okay with this. I mean poo poo.. I am like 15 without a license and for some weird reason I feel like I am on top of the world because I am driving across country with a famous person but my UMPH.. quickly wore off when I realized that the woman would not ever for any circumstance allow me to stop.. because after all we had a deadline to meet. Which landed us into Las Cruces New Mexico in an overheated vehicle because she would not allow us to stop for maintenance even though the CHECK OIL light had been on for HOURS!"
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echinopsis posted:It's hard to imagine someone doing a porn just as a once off unless the person was deadly desperate for cash, given that they're then online having the sex forever after .. There aren't that many girls doing it purely because of the money as you may think. Most girls seem genuinely curious about it and want to try it and some are really into sex. The money helps a lot obviously, but its like any job, most people can't work a job where everything sucks but the only thing they like about it is the money. I'm sure most of them realize the ramifications of doing a scene and how permanent it really is too, and if they want to make that decision than its their choice.
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Thanks everyone, I think my question has been comprehensively answered. I always figured amateurs were either homegrown or really just no-name wannabe porn starlets who couldn't cut it in the big leagues, so finding out that they're actually amateurs, if still on a script, is interesting and a bit of a surprise. I didn't think there were so many people open to the idea of performing on camera, even if only once. It actually makes me think of the industry a bit differently - I thought they were just mislabeling their stuff for profit, which, while unscrupulous, is hardly something to be bothered about in porn. Honesty in advertising from a bunch of skin flicks is a weird concept to swallow.
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Cardiovorax posted:swallow. 
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Pun totally intended.
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echinopsis posted:I really want to hear from a daughter of a porn star about if that ever effected them or anything Interesting fact, the actress Thora Birch is the daughter of two porn stars, both of whom appeared in Deep Throat. I don't know if she's ever talked about whether or not it affected her, though, and I'm not about to go searching for that while I'm at work.
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Xelkelvos posted:Well there's a difference between having appeared in a few shoots and someone whose made it part of their career Tell that to your employer.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:*(Unless Donny Pauling is around. gently caress that guy. I hope he's dead now.) It appears Mr. Pauling is in some serious hot water. quote:A local anti-porn activist is in Sutter County Jail after a 16-year-old reported having sexual contact with him for the last three years.
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thrawn527 posted:Interesting fact, the actress Thora Birch is the daughter of two porn stars, both of whom appeared in Deep Throat. I don't know if she's ever talked about whether or not it affected her, though, and I'm not about to go searching for that while I'm at work. I wonder if that's why they were so chill about her being topless in American Beauty even though she was underage.
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darkpriest posted:It appears Mr. Pauling is in some serious hot water. AHAHAHAHAHA Donny Pauling is  nowYes!! I love it!!  EDIT: \/\/\/ That's not the part I love. That part is bad. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:AHAHAHAHAHA Donny Pauling is I too love that a child was raped.
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DrBouvenstein posted:I wonder if that's why they were so chill about her being topless in American Beauty even though she was underage. there's actually some articles about their weird relationship. Her dad is kinda creepy and would basically always accompany her on set and be very difficult/demanding. This led to her straight up getting cut on some projects http://www.avclub.com/article/thora-birchs-creepy-ex-porn-star-dad-gets-her-fire-49037 http://www.wetpaint.com/news/articles/2013-07-01-what-happened-thora-birch-creepy
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Hey dp, I might have missed it in the thread. How do you handle actors and actresses on a contractual basis? I would imagine they are contracted on several means (one time, multiple films) similar to other industries. Do you typically include anything like a non compete in your negotiations with talent? I would be curious the terms of some of the agreements you've had. Do you also include anything like percentage based royalty payments based on the commercial success of a film or shoot? Has any agreement for a project hit a road block due to the particulars of working with any individual actor? Also, how itemized do the acts have to be for a performance? Say, do you have to detail the medical particulars of a type of sexual act that might not be obvious? Or is the actor or actress's level of professional expertise taken into account? Furthermore, do any if the companies provide medical insurance? How prevalent is that? I am wondering how difficult it may or not be given the nature of the work, or whether an actor or actress has been flat out denied coverage due to the changes of the ACA. If some answers would be better discussed via PM or email due to the sensitive nature if the questions, that's fine as well (also if it goes into attorney work product that I need to contact someone on). This is academic curiosity, so if people can chime in and answer questions for dp that I missed that's fine too.
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There are tons of White, Black, East-Asian, and Hispanic women in the industry. Why are there so few Indian or Middle-Eastern women? Come to think of it, you never see any male performers who aren't either White or Black, either.
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VirtualStranger posted:There are tons of White, Black, East-Asian, and Hispanic women in the industry. Why are there so few Indian or Middle-Eastern women? I've also wondered this about the ladies. There are probably cultural/shame related issues there. I don't really care as much about the dudes as the ladies, I guess.
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VirtualStranger posted:There are tons of White, Black, East-Asian, and Hispanic women in the industry. Why are there so few Indian or Middle-Eastern women? Give it like 10-15 years and you will see a lot of South-east Asian/Middle-Eastern women. Immigration cycles are a bit behind on that to hit that second/third generation westernization. That said one of the dirtier porn stars going was a British Indian so...
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Have you ever shot Bobby Vitale? Where are/what happened to his balls? 14 year old me has been waiting half his entire life for the answer darkpriest! Edit: actual questions: How do you personally feel about creepy "daddy/daughter" porn and how does that stuff make it past obscenity laws or whatever? When I was watching the AVN awards, everyone was saying the 3 most searched for/viewed video categories on tube sites were older women, bbws, and amateur porn. How has this influenced your work, if at all, and do you see a shift towards larger women being more mainstream? Carmella Binging on the donut of profit, if you will? OxMan fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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OxMan posted:When I was watching the AVN awards, everyone was saying the 3 most searched for/viewed video categories on tube sites were older women, bbws, and amateur porn. How has this influenced your work, if at all, and do you see a shift towards larger women being more mainstream? Carmella Binging on the donut of profit, if you will? This surprises me because as of a few months ago Felicia Clover "retired", according to her due to lack of work after she gained a bunch of weight. I was wondering why Immoral Live seems to becoming so popular and why certain talent, particularly Sara Jay and Jennifer White, are so attached to them. The sex is pretty... unsexy, with water breaks being filmed.
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Professor Shark posted:This surprises me because as of a few months ago Felicia Clover "retired", according to her due to lack of work after she gained a bunch of weight. Porno Dan and Immoral Live doesn't make any sense when you think about it. But then think of the money they get to basically hang out with a chubby dude who can barely keep his average boner going, I bet they do it because it's a far easier day than doing Double Anal Nurses 8 with Lex.
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Professor Shark posted:This surprises me because as of a few months ago Felicia Clover "retired", according to her due to lack of work after she gained a bunch of weight.
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i like nice words