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T-man posted:I was rewatching B4 today as a whole, and I was wondering what the consensus is on Korra's hair. I think it looks better shorter, and that Kuveria's hair is better when it's let down. Thoughts?  best hair
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BrianWilly posted:By any standard, benders have a type of privilege that non-benders don't. "Well I can shoot fire and you can't, but you're richer than me so you have no right to complain!" isn't how privilege works. It was jarring for this show to not ever really examine that, especially coming off of ATLA, which seemed like a show that did tend to examine those things. More to the point, it's just really jarring in general, period, for any sort of modern narrative to be in total support of a side that does have privilege when the conflict in question centers specifically on that privilege, whilst presenting those without that privilege (again, the one that is specifically being debated on in the context of the plot) as just being a literal army of whiny malcontents without any real cause. No, but privilege isn't an either/or thing. Privilege is a thing that exists for every person in the world in some degree, but it isn't what is spoken of when privilege as an issue comes up. That is why the "Well, you have affirmative action!!" argument is stupid and flawed. Boiling privilege down to "They have a thing"ignores the actual real that is a social issue. The narrative is not totally on either side. The thing the narrative is critical of is powerful people abusing underlying tensions for their own progression and gain. The fact that people want it to be about the unimportant division between people being born with magical powers vs not born with magical powers instead of the actually relevant "rich assholes exploiting tensions for their own gain" element actually leaves me frustrated. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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JT Jag posted:S3/4: Monarchy is also bad S2-4: Democracy is kinda lovely sometimes and doesn't get much done
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DrSunshine posted:I misread that as "postmodern" thread, instead of "postmortem", so I was thinking about long posts influenced by Derrida, Foucault and Lacan deconstructing the politics and symbolism of ATLA and LOK. LoK seems like an excellent topic for pomo as despite being supposedly undeniably designated the Avatar in the first instance Korra spends most of the show/her time A) not being the Avatar, B) outright failing to fulfill Avatar duties (as impressed on her by a structure while she) C) radically alters what our understanding of the Avatar is or what the Avatar is capable of or what the very structure of the 'world' around her is. It's more than 'Hero faces adversity and overcomes', it's an attack on the concept of the Avatar through demonstration. There's also the holy trinity of Avatar as God, Avatar as human and Avatar as individual going on throughout. namesake fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Perhaps it is a sign of good storytelling that we the audience wanted to believe in what the charismatic revolutionary terrorist was saying. Our wanting to believe in Amon's legitimacy mirrored that of his followers. I'm not saying that psychic bloodbending isn't stupid or that the dissolution of the Equalist movement was handled poorly or that the ultimate message of "charismatic leaders can convince people that a single group is responsible for all their problems and that leads to bad things" was stated as clearly as it could have been, but ultimately the revelation of what Amon really was is something I think actually really works. Even if we didn't get the idiocy of psychic bloodbending, any backstory for Amon that wasn't what he had claimed would have been disappointing because we all wanted to believe him, and that's the success of the character.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:I liked Korra's s4 hair best. But I'm biased because I generally like non-straight girls with shorter hair. I've always liked women with short hair but I kinda blame watching Robotech at 11-13 and Dana Sterling for that. Plus it makes Korra look both cute and like a total bad rear end who can get poo poo done. Hell, just look at Bayonetta. 2 nd game gives her short hair and it makes it so I can almost take her seriously as more than just a ridiculous bit of Japanese nutter fan service game.
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Two Questions: 1) When did Mako learn to lightning bend? 2) What are the Chinese Characters that appear on screen after Korra and Asami head into the spirit world?
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Armagnac posted:Two Questions: He always could and "The End" unless where I read that was a joke I didn't get.
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Armagnac posted:Two Questions: 1: Mako knew how to Lightning Bend since before the series started. He learned it during his days as a street thug. He's done it throughout the series.It is how he defeated the waterbender member of the Red Lotus. 2: "The End."
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quote:*sigh* what were all those seasons of romance & loving looks & shoulder touches for ?
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Perhaps it is a sign of good storytelling that we the audience wanted to believe in what the charismatic revolutionary terrorist was saying. Our wanting to believe in Amon's legitimacy mirrored that of his followers. I'm not saying that psychic bloodbending isn't stupid or that the dissolution of the Equalist movement was handled poorly or that the ultimate message of "charismatic leaders can convince people that a single group is responsible for all their problems and that leads to bad things" was stated as clearly as it could have been, but ultimately the revelation of what Amon really was is something I think actually really works. Even if we didn't get the idiocy of psychic bloodbending, any backstory for Amon that wasn't what he had claimed would have been disappointing because we all wanted to believe him, and that's the success of the character. Hmmmmmm. Maybe, it's just a children's show and so isn't very well written, and is often times simplistic.
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TheKingofSprings posted:S2-4: Democracy is kinda lovely sometimes and doesn't get much done S1: revolutionary communism v conservatism S2: spiritual atavism v globalised capitalism S3: anarchism v authoritarianism S4: fascism v isolationism It turns out the answer is always in the middle, AKA liberal democracy. S3 and 4 feel like the best because they give the fairest showing to their concepts - Zaheer, the new airbenders and Suyin are all honest anarchists, Kuvira is about as sympathetic a dictator as you can get. By contrast both Amon and Unalaq are liars and hypocrites and it's difficult to know what they actually stand for.
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Misandrist Wytch posted:Hmmmmmm. Maybe, it's just a children's show and so isn't very well written, and is often times simplistic. Stop having crazy talk.
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Eej posted:Well you see, S1: Communism is bad. S2: Theocracy is bad. S3: Anarchism is bad. S4: Fascism is bad. Maybe they can do a Bioshock crossover game Captain Rufus posted:I've always liked women with short hair but I kinda blame watching Robotech at 11-13 and Dana Sterling for that. lol icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Lt. Danger posted:S1: revolutionary communism v conservatism Kuvira is the most sympathetic even with the rounding up of non-earth benders and dissenters into camps?
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Covok posted:Kuvira is the most sympathetic even with the rounding up of non-earth benders and dissenters into camps?
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Misandrist Wytch posted:Hmmmmmm. Maybe, it's just a children's show and so isn't very well written, and is often times simplistic. it can't be
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Kuvira putting people into reeducation camps is mentioned multiple times throughout the season.
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Covok posted:Kuvira is the most sympathetic even with the rounding up of non-earth benders and dissenters into camps?
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ImpAtom posted:Kuvira putting people into reeducation camps is mentioned multiple times throughout the season. Not only that, it's what makes Bolin question his loyalty and then he is threatened with being sent to one before Varrick convinces them to make Bolin his assistant. It's actually relevant to the plot.
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JT Jag posted:Well, she was arguably right about one thing, that someone had to stand up and bring order to the anarchy that had come to the Earth Kingdom. The Avatar wasn't around to do it, Suyin refused to do it, so she felt like it was her duty. It was her methods that were flawed. She was also arguably right about not letting Wu back into power so easily, ideally though she should've forced a compromise where Wu became a ceremonial figure head like the British Monarchy while naming herself
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Eej posted:Not only that, it's what makes Bolin question his loyalty and then he is threatened with being sent to one before Varrick convinces them to make Bolin his assistant. It's actually relevant to the plot. And we meet runaways from the camps. They're in two episodes.
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Raenir Salazar posted:She was also arguably right about not letting Wu back into power so easily, ideally though she should've forced a compromise where Wu became a ceremonial figure head like the British Monarchy while naming herself
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Amon/Lieutenant. Honestly, I wish they showed us the Reeducation Camps or dropped them. Plus, there's the whole thing that we, as an audience, only see Kuveria's reform stuff WORK in the first few episodes - it's said later that it tends to break down later, but that's telling, not showing.
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Covok posted:Kuvira is the most sympathetic even with the rounding up of non-earth benders and dissenters into camps? That's not quite what I said. Like someone else said earlier, Kuvira is more of a Roman dictator than a Hitler analogue. That's very generous to fascism.
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Lt. Danger posted:That's not quite what I said. Like someone else said earlier, Kuvira is more of a Roman dictator than a Hitler analogue. That's very generous to fascism.
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considering the Earth Kingdom is an analogue for China, I think she's meant to stand in for certain other political figures.
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TFRazorsaw posted:considering the Earth Kingdom is an analogue for China, I think she's meant to stand in for certain other political figures.
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Uh, I wouldn't go that far.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Uh, I wouldn't go that far. Eej posted:Yeah, reminder that the railgun is literally a Nazi superweapon. Also the "re-education" camps. Also the Hitler youth haircuts. thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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TFRazorsaw posted:Uh, I wouldn't go that far. She literally had a Nazi super-weapon fake edit: Beaten.
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ufarn posted:She was originally harkening back to the Northern Expedition, but the show went full Hitler. It decidedly didn't. Concentration camps existed before Hitler.
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If you're talking about the reeducation camps, that's more of a maoist thing.
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The art direction is pretty hard in the direction of Nazis. I refuse to believe it didn't get there without someone directing the artists 'A little more Nazi." I mean, the substance, whatever. But the aesthetic is clearly pointing you.
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Genocyber posted:She literally had a Nazi super-weapon I honestly had no idea that existed. Seriously, my first thought when I saw it was that she had Megatron's arm cannon.
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Eej posted:Not only that, it's what makes Bolin question his loyalty and then he is threatened with being sent to one before Varrick convinces them to make Bolin his assistant. It's actually relevant to the plot. It's sort of like how they had Equalists bomb rescue ships in Book 1, that moment where they make the villains too unsympathetic. SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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I never understood why lightning bending was a fire bender thing instead of air bending.. why not give fire bending the lava bending too? Earth already has metal bending, water has blood and ice bending.
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