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Evil_Greven posted:In other news, there was a video awhile back: edit: I guess more common if anarchists are present. Kurt_Cobain fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Dec 24, 2014 |
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That audio seems off, there's something strange about the way the protesters are vocally clear hundreds of feet from the camera, yet when they get near and are passing beneath the window it isn't clear at all what they're saying, in fact as they begin to go the other direction it instantly changes into another chant that is inaudible despite the camera being so close by.
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Dec 24, 2014 09:39
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God drat it. Really? I'd say this would at least cause enough uproar to make a difference, but we already have video of Eric Garner and others. Did it make a difference? Nope.
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repeating posted:God drat it. Really? I'd say this would at least cause enough uproar to make a difference, but we already have video of Eric Garner and others. Did it make a difference? Nope. Wrong thread? We are discussing the death of yet another black teen in the politics thread. I don't think the news has hit this thread yet. Edit: "A Missouri teen was fatally shot by police just two miles from Ferguson, Mo., according to witnesses at the scene. Antonio Martin, 18, was shot at 1 a.m. on Christmas Eve at Mobil gas station in Berkeley, Mo., the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. The victim's mother, Toni Martin, spoke to the publication and said her son was shot by police. The hashtag #AntonioMartin is gaining traction on social media. Those at the scene, along with The Dispatch, report approximately 60 to 100 people have gathered around the gas station where the shooting took place. The officer attempted to search Martin, who refused, Christo said. "The officer then stepped back and drew his weapon and pointed at Antonio and told us to lay on the ground," Christo said. "I layed [sic] down but Antonio Refused [sic]. "The officer then began to step back from us with his gun still aimed at us. He told Antonio to lay down once again and when Antonio didn't lay down the officer opened fire. And when I tried to get up to help my friend he screamed at me to stay down with his weapon still drawn." This turned out to be a liar whom was only looking for attention. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/24/antonio-martin-police-shooting_n_6376210.html Pohl fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Dec 24, 2014 |
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Dec 24, 2014 09:49
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Oh snap. You are absolutely correct. To steal a few quick links and quotes to get you up to speed. This happened tonight in literally the next connecting suburb west of Ferguson: Venusian Weasel posted:From what I've gathered from social media (which as we all know is completely worthless Dexo posted:Yeah, Just happened, seems to mostly just be on twitter now.
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Dec 24, 2014 09:52
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) Antonio Martin was an 18 year old guy who was shot as he walked out of a convenience store. Haven't heard any reports of a confrontation, apparently the police just shot him. Police say he "matched the description of a suspect". According to his girlfriend, he was still breathing for several minutes after being shot, yet no EMS was called. It's been two hours since the shooting, and Martin's body is still laying there. EMS still hasn't arrived. Cops are starting to get confrontational with the crowd gathering at the scene.
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As a white man at 1 AM, I am going to walk to the store in San Diego with the knowledge that no one is going to shoot me. I loving won the lottery.
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Dec 24, 2014 10:01
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Pohl posted:Wrong thread? We are discussing the death of yet another black teen in the politics thread. I don't think the news has hit this thread yet. Obey or die. What a loving country.  EDIT: Welp, teaches me to trust anything from twitter. 
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Dec 24, 2014 10:34
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The guy on twitter claiming to be his friend was making poo poo up, already corrected in the link.
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Dec 24, 2014 10:48
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Ra-amun posted:The guy on twitter claiming to be his friend was making poo poo up, already corrected in the link. loving Christ.
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Dec 24, 2014 10:54
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No, let's just jump to conclusions based on fake sources.
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Dec 24, 2014 10:54
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Goddamn, that's cold blooded. This story is unraveling by the minute.
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Dec 24, 2014 10:56
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:
No poo poo. As if things aren't bad enough, people have to take advantage of tragedy to get attention.
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Hardbody posted:No, let's just jump to conclusions based on fake sources. Sorry for jumping to the conclusion that some police would shoot an unarmed black man, it's a real leap on my part since that sort of thing never happens. v  v
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Dec 24, 2014 11:02
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Sorry for jumping to the conclusion that some police would shoot an unarmed black man, it's a real leap on my part since that sort of thing never happens. v That is his/her only post in the thread.
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Dec 24, 2014 11:05
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Good, Don't let it happen again. Now turn around and spread your feet, toes pointed out so I search you.
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Dec 24, 2014 11:07
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Pohl posted:That is his/her only post in the thread.
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Dec 24, 2014 11:08
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Hardbody posted:Good, Don't let it happen again. Now turn around and spread your feet, toes pointed out so I search you. I read that like you are a crazy Russian drinking vodka and it makes me laugh. Don't ruin it for me, please let it be true.
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Dec 24, 2014 11:13
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People must never speak about a thing without a full coroner's, toxicology, police investigation, IA investigation, civil rights probe, civil suit, and conviction, or non-indictment finalized in stone. Ever. Totally separate statement: Paraphrased: "There's no indication the officers were high or drunk at the time of their murder. So no tox report."
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Dec 24, 2014 11:16
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Untagged posted:
yeah no matter the number of posts, nothing will change 
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Untagged posted:
I'm surprised you were able to take the cop dick out of your mouth long enough to actually post. One person being a complete shitbag and lying doesn't prove your perspective, it only proves that person was a lying shitbag.
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Dec 24, 2014 11:28
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Pohl posted:I'm surprised you were able to take the cop dick out of your mouth long enough to actually post. You've reached SedanChair levels of posting, quite a feat actually. AVeryLargeRadish posted:Obey or die. What a loving country. REMEMBER, if you need help... No matter what problems you are dealing with, we want to help you find a reason to keep living. By calling 1-800-273-TALK (8255) you’ll be connected to a skilled, trained counselor at a crisis center in your area, anytime 24/7. http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ The Shep fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Dec 24, 2014 |
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Cmdr. Shepard posted:You've reached SedanChair levels of posting, quite a feat actually. While Sedan Chair and I agree on a lot of stuff, we fight constantly. I don't find it a bad thing to be compared to him, I don't think it is reflective of who I am however. Thanks for posting an anti suicide link, god knows we are crazy fuckers that may kill ourselves because we loving disagree with you. Chill the gently caress out.
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Dec 24, 2014 12:10
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There's surveillance video so hopefully we'll know what happened this time
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Dec 24, 2014 12:11
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Lessail posted:There's surveillance video so hopefully we'll know what happened this time It'll ether back up the cop's story or mysteriously be unusable.
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Dec 24, 2014 12:17
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Why are cops even armed? I get having a SWAT team for when things get crazy but why do regular cops need a firearm? Disarming them seems like it would be a big step in the right direction. There are plenty of problems with non-lethal methods and ideally cops shouldn't have those either, but that isn't gonna happen. I'd much rather the violent white power gang power-tripping in my neighborhood could gently caress people up (but not kill them) as opposed to loving people up and killing them. Plus, a living victim is a lot more empowered to press civil charges than a dead victim. How do we go about disarming cops?
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Dec 24, 2014 12:45
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Shbobdb posted:Why are cops even armed? I get having a SWAT team for when things get crazy but why do regular cops need a firearm? Disarming them seems like it would be a big step in the right direction. There are plenty of problems with non-lethal methods and ideally cops shouldn't have those either, but that isn't gonna happen. I'd much rather the violent white power gang power-tripping in my neighborhood could gently caress people up (but not kill them) as opposed to loving people up and killing them. Plus, a living victim is a lot more empowered to press civil charges than a dead victim. How do we go about disarming cops? Well, America is a country where guns are a cultural icon, so it makes sense for all the beat cops to have them. That doesn't particularly bother me.
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Dec 24, 2014 12:48
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That line of reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, unless you think guns are just a cultural artifact. If that is the case, would you be cool with them having guns but no bullets and bringing your own bullets would be a federal crime?
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Dec 24, 2014 12:51
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Shbobdb posted:That line of reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, unless you think guns are just a cultural artifact. If that is the case, would you be cool with them having guns but no bullets and bringing your own bullets would be a federal crime? The United States has a huge level of private gun ownership, and that's probably not going away. You must be from some dumb rear end country across the pond.
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Dec 24, 2014 12:53
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As the dead cops in both Vegas and NYC showed, in the rare situations where a criminal specificially wants to kill a cop, he or she is going to get the drop and their sidearms are going to be worthless. I don't really see a good reason for beat cops to have guns on their person since it frequenty leads to them using them in situations where they aren't appropriate. I'd be fine with something in their cruisers that they have to unlock in order for them to cool down slightly before using deadly force.
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Dec 24, 2014 12:55
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Lessail posted:There's surveillance video so hopefully we'll know what happened this time Police say they're going to release the video at 7AM central time. https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/547719694455943169
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Dec 24, 2014 13:02
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Them releasing video so quickly makes me think it might have been justified. Otherwise they would stall or the video would be mysteriously lost.
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Dec 24, 2014 13:06
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If they're releasing the footage without first announcing they've fired the guy then its probably a safe bet that the video shows the shooting was justified. But who knows any more, really.
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Dec 24, 2014 13:07
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Releasing video of an incident quickly like this might be a good thing regardless of what it shows
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Dec 24, 2014 13:10
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=15vqUf6H-po Video from the gas station, of course it's from a far away camera and you can hardly see anything. The dude looks like he raises something at the end but then the video just abruptly stops. If he was really holding a gun, how they hell did he miss the cop? He's literally point blank range.
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Dec 24, 2014 14:12
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It's actually pretty hard to hit stuff with a pistol, especially if you're untrained and stressed out.
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-Troika- posted:It's actually pretty hard to hit stuff with a pistol, especially if you're untrained and stressed out. Yeah, it's not unusual for someone to miss 70%+ of their shots at 10 feet with a pistol in a stressful situation. EDIT: After watching the video it looks a lot like he is raising a gun, like the motion is raising and pointing/aiming at something. It's way too far away to make out any detail about what it is but I'm hard pressed to think of what it could be other than a gun with the way he raised it and pointed it. AVeryLargeRadish fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Dec 24, 2014 |
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Dec 24, 2014 14:29
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The footage freezes at the exact moment his arm is extending. That looks like pointing, but it would, because the video pauses and holds it there for a few seconds, then ends. Why aren't we seeing what happens from that point onward?
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Dec 24, 2014 14:33
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FWIW regarding not hitting anything, the police said he didn't get any shots off. The cop fired three times.
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He could have been raising a cellphone to take a picture, but I'm not sure a cop would find that less threatening than a gun at this point.
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