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Please spend the entire game beating the crap out of the French until they turn into the Turbo Paris Commune.
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gently caress France. Never stop loving France.
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Nov 29, 2014 08:56
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Yeah, I don't know if it this was actually so good for you, Rincewind. France is now going to perma-pissed at you because of all the lost territory and if I'm reading the info right (Victoria's UI is baffling to me), your pops and manpower have been devastated. France is likely to bleed a little from the pain you inflicted, but good odds they'll recover before you do. I mean, Paradox AI being what it is, you can probably just hole up in the alps and murder them again, and Britain has a channel to hide behind, but your allies in Lai Ang and the HRE are looking at serious trouble to come.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:07
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Austria needs to integrate Bavaria in the name of our god Pretty Borders.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:13
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The blue has bled red! Shame we didn't hit it even harder, especially at the end there. Oh, well. Victory!
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Nov 29, 2014 09:39
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Krysmphoenix posted:
Looks like this world's Karansebes incident.  drat that was a fun update though.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:44
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A pity the people of France had to die for their masters like that, a shame they're too ignorant, too spineless, or too complacent to know better.
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Nov 29, 2014 11:10
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Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres. What these revolutionary ideologues, daubed in the blood of the hiratine, continually fail to realise is this is continuity, not an innovation. Rome and its people still stand, no matter the disgusting pastel veneer they attempt to drown us out with. Our armies, be they named legions, cataphracts, revolutionary militia, are composed of the selfsame people that bestrode this continent like colossi in ages past. We Are Rome, and that shall never be forgotten, nor will attempts to subsume us be forgiven. Gaul falls once more, and it will not be for the last time. For Rome, for the Orthodox faith, for two and a half thousand years of history and continuity, we stand. Forward, the New Roman Republic! AJ_Impy fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 14:21
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And furthermore,
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Nov 29, 2014 15:05
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Very glad to see this back. Next stop, Da Qin?
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Nov 29, 2014 16:15
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Next stop, rebuilding the army and industrialising like crazy to be ready for the next tussle with France.
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Nov 29, 2014 16:29
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Sindai posted:gently caress France. Never stop loving France.
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Nov 30, 2014 05:49
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Sindai posted:gently caress France. Never stop loving France.
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Nov 30, 2014 05:59
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AJ_Impy posted:Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres. Well, I suppose. Will there be a triumph in Constantinople, though? Will there be Senatorial honors? Will there be anything besides the undignified and smug grins of the hiratine's butchers? I think not. This war was a farce, conducted only to see Europe bloodied and weakened, to drown all that is noble and good in hiratine blood and Avalon spice! Why do we not attack our real enemies: Lai Ang, Bulgaria, Da Qin, Ferrara?! Why? Because our fool leaders would kill the world in the name of ideology, drat the State and its people! I'm told that Turk dog of a president suffered greatly as he died. Perhaps there is some justice in the world.
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Man, that was a really exciting, fun update. Also, for our future plans:Sindai posted:gently caress France. Never stop loving France.
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Duckbag posted:Yeah, I don't know if it this was actually so good for you, Rincewind. France is now going to perma-pissed at you because of all the lost territory and if I'm reading the info right (Victoria's UI is baffling to me), your pops and manpower have been devastated. France is likely to bleed a little from the pain you inflicted, but good odds they'll recover before you do. I mean, Paradox AI being what it is, you can probably just hole up in the alps and murder them again, and Britain has a channel to hide behind, but your allies in Lai Ang and the HRE are looking at serious trouble to come. My main goal in Victoria 2 is to destroy France, somehow, so them hating us forever is pretty inevitable in the long term. This particular war didn't result in us holding any French cores or anything, though, so it doesn't make a century of Franco-Byzantine enmity necessarily inevitable. But it's still basically inevitable since as a player I want to destroy them. Our manpower shortage made it very difficult to continue the war, but in the absence of a war it should recover pretty quickly. I played the next few years and it did. The problem is that even fully recovered, and taking into account French losing some fairly populous provinces (and probably losing more POPs as army casualties than we did since AFIAK they hadn't researched medicine) they still have about a zillion times more population and soldiers than we do. But we can think about that later on, after I actually post the next update and we get a better sense of where the balance of power rests in postwar Europe.
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Well, by all means if you want to kill France, go get 'em. Byzantium will be fine, but I worry you've set up your erstwhile allies to bear the brunt of French revanchism. I'm predicting this century will be a very, very bad time to be German.
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Dec 3, 2014 03:50
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Has there ever been a good time to be German?
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Dec 3, 2014 06:22
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sniper4625 posted:Has there ever been a good time to be German? The reign of Henry IV Salian.
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Dec 3, 2014 06:30
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sniper4625 posted:Has there ever been a good time to be German? I hear the 2000s weren't too shabby.
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sniper4625 posted:Has there ever been a good time to be German? 1815-1914 1955-20??
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I kind of meant in ByzTimeline. I do assume that RL Germany has had at least one good year at some point.
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sniper4625 posted:I kind of meant in ByzTimeline. 1990 was a pretty good year for us, all things considered.
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Lynneth posted:1990 was a pretty good year for us, all things considered. I feel like it was good mostly because the previous 80 years weren't.
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PART 54: The Most Dangerous Game (March 15, 1840 - September 10, 1842) Hu Ping, The Occident in Flames: Revolution and War in the Near West, 1802-1850, (Shanghai: Shanghai University Press, 2004) Excerpts from chapter 12, The Treaty of Malta and chapter 13, The Game's Opening Moves  They called themselves Kómma Ánaktos-- the King's Party. On paper, their only demand was that Byzantium have a king. While this position was unpopular in the Byzantine Republic's political mainstream, it was not inconceivable. Byzantium's allies, after all, were mostly liberal constitutional monarchies, as were nations like China and the Ayiti Federation, which even from far abroad cast long shadows over the Near West. It would be difficult for even the most ardent Junonian radical to denounce the liberal Habsburg queens as tyrants without casting the entire Byzantine state in a hypocritical light. For that matter, certain rulers of the imperial era were still venerated in the Republic as important precursors to the modern state. The Julian Party, of course, proudly bore Julia Radziwiłł's Enlightenment torch. Hypatia II Radziwiłł the Sad and Hypatia III Radziwiłł the Merry were both remembered for their roles in establishing and consolidating the Commonwealth of the Romans and bringing constitutionalism to the Byzantine world. Going further back, Iouliana Komnene the Great was remembered for her patronage of the New Byzantines, seen as a vital step on the road from an outmoded Roman identity to a modern Byzantine one. Even the emperors of Antiquity had their proponents: Constantine, for example, was given credit for ending centuries of pagan persecution of the Christian church and building the City of the World's Desire[1] (There were a few scattered calls in 1802 for Constantinople to be renamed something suitably republican, but they gained little traction), and Hadrian enjoyed a certain cachet as a philhellene philosopher-emperor and patron of useful public works projects[2]. Monarchism was a fringe position in 19th century Byzantine politics, but it was the idea of Rome that was the toxic "third-rail" of Byzantine politics. Wishing for the Byzantine equivalent of Victoria von Habsburg was merely eccentric. Rome, on the other hand, was synonymous with the Black Emperor, the Black Chamber, lurid tales of the "hermit empire" of Rhodes, and the Roman court-in-exile of émigrés and traitors who had taken roost in Versailles.  On the night of March 20th, 1840— a few days after the French capitulation in the War of the Victorian League, when veterans were beginning to filter back to their homes-- the city of Rome was treated to the weird spectacle of what by all appearances seemed to be an old-fashioned Roman triumph. Men and women in military uniforms marched from the Campus Martius to the Capitoline Hill, carrying Roman-style military standards and treasures and trophies apparently "liberated" from France. It differed from its ancient forebears in only a few respects: after the lictors and their fasces, the four-horsed chariot in which the emperor traditionally rode was empty. It was flanked by riderless horses. The marchers were totally silent, and most were wearing masks. And every one of them was carrying a torch. Kómma Ánaktos insisted it had nothing to do with any of this. They just thought that a King of Byzantium would help unify the Byzantine people more than a fractious Republic with a political creature as a head of state. And there's nothing wrong with that. **** The Treaty of Malta was signed a few months later.  The Holy Roman Empire received the states of Thuringia and Saxony (and had already acquired Bręst from Poland in its separate peace with the Victorian League), Lai Ang regained León-Castilla, and Great Britain ended the long French occupation of Cornwall. Byzantium received no territory as its own, as its only demand (which was motivated more by military expediency than long-term geopolitical goals) was for Austria to be granted an ungainly Tirolese exclave.  Nonetheless, there was a prevailing sentiment that the Byzantine Republic had won the war and achieved preëminence in among the rival Great Powers of Europe.  Lai Ang, Austria, Great Britain, and the Holy Roman Empire were all delighted by the Treaty of Malta, as they had all been more or less (or, in the case of the Holy Romans, actually) defeated by the French before the Miracle at Bozen ended the war in what seemed like one fell swoop. The treaty was more divisive in Byzantium, however. Some hailed Byzantium as the new continental hegemon of Europe, a peer to the likes of Somalia or the Ayiti Federation, while others felt the war was totally bungled and accomplished little to damage France in the long term.[3] In truth, neither extreme was entirely accurate. It is true that, while Byzantium enjoyed the prestige of being the greatest power in Europe, France still boasted a significantly larger population, industrial base, and military than the Republic. It is important, after all, not to mistake preëminence for hegemony. Still, the importance of the war should not be understated-- it represented the final nail in the coffin of the utter stranglehold on the European balance of power held by the de Valois-Vexins since the late middle ages. The history of Europe after the old medieval order was destroyed by the Ming Frontier Army had been utterly dominated by the irresistible rise of France as it expanded in all directions, with secondary powers like the Roman Commonwealth or Lai Ang left scrabbling on the Continent's margins. Now, this aura of invincibility was shattered– as the Roman émigrés in Versailles were quick to note, Terminus had finally come to the French frontiers. Europe, it was realized, could belong to anybody. More importantly, at present it belonged to nobody. And so the Treaty of Malta marked a new era of European history: the opening moves of the Great Game, in which the powers of Europe-- the defeated French; the Habsburg monarchies, Lai Ang; the Byzantine Republic; and Russia, Third Rome (resurgent after the stay of execution represented by the total collapse of Asitelahan) all scrambled to pick up the pieces of a shattered continent and claim their place among the likes of China or the Ayiti. They would have their work cut out for them, of course. The Ming Empire was well on its way to recovering from the setbacks of the 1820s and '30s, and, having successfully beaten back Hindustran's opportunistic invasion, finally conquered the steppe tribes of Machuria, long a thorn in their side.  The Holy Roman Empire was doing some recovering of its own from the vicissitudes of its war with France, and had somehow already rebuilt its army to force Scandinavia to cede its portion of Mecklenburg to the Empire.  This feat drew the attention of the Byzantine President Evgenia Kasdaglis, who sought to build closer ties between her nation and the HRE. Previously, the two powers were joined mainly by their common alliance with Great Britain. Now, however, the center of the postwar Victorian League was gradually shifting from Edinburgh to Constantinople.  Like the Byzantines, the Russians wished to extend their power and influence deeper into the European interior. They took rather a more direct approach to this goal than the diplomacy and "soft power" the Byzantines sought to amass, however.  The Julians lost control of the National Assembly in the elections of 1840, leaving Kasdaglis politically marginalized.  After the uncertainty of the war years and the unsettled nature of the postwar balance of power, voters flocked to the moderate Capitolino in droves.   The population of France's remaining German territories grew increasingly agitated in the immediate aftermath of the Treaty of Malta, simultaneously elated at the liberation of their countrymen and and women in Thuringia and Saxony, enraged that they were "left behind", and fearful of the French state cracking down on its German minorities in revenge for its defeat in the war. Indeed, the French nobility in charge of maintaining order in the Germans fiefdoms called for royal support for just such a crackdown. Their pleas fell on deaf ears in Versailles, however, as the ailing King Gui de Valois-Vexin deemed any harsh measures as needlessly provocative. The so-called kulturkampf feared by the Germans, therefore, never came.  The few survivors of the armies of the Republic of Azerbaijan to manage to make their way home from the battlefields of Europe found their client republic wracked by famine. Constantinople stressed that this was an internal Azerbaijani matter.  In any case, the Byzantine government was preoccupied with rebuilding its army after the appalling losses it took against France.  Great Britain sought to claim a place among the Great Powers by attempting to expand the frontiers of Nova Scotia south and seize the Great Lakes of Avalon from the Iroquois.  In the end, however, Great Britain's ascession to the status of great power would have much more to do with the crushing blow dealt to Hindustan by China than any particular policy pursued by Edinburgh.   The so-called "War of the Tridents" between Russia and Ukraine ended in overwhelming Russian victory, with the Most Christian King of the Ukrainians Mikhailo I Hnedenko forced to abdicate and cede his entire nation to the Russians. The Byzantines remembered Mikhailo's "crusade" against the Republic in the aftermath of the Revolution, and were generally hostile to his regime. They were hardly pleased that the absolutist "Third Rome" of Empress Yekaterina III von Wismar had arrived on their doorstep.  Byzantium responded by forging even closer ties with Charlotte von Habsburg...  ...and seeking nonmilitary means to assert their dominance over the French and bolster their prestige.   They were continuing to do their utmost to bolster their overall military strength, but for now the general staff opted to bide its time rather than rattle its sabre.   An ill-considered war can have disastrous consequences, after all— as Great Britain learned when the Ayiti Federation opted to intervene against them in their war on the Iroquois.  Byzantium's ultimate military goal was to finally reclaim the remainder of Anatolia from Da Qin. These plans were complicated, however, by a recently forged alliance between Da Qin and the Marathas Empire, currently enjoying dominance on the Indian subcontinent thanks to the destruction of Hindustan's military at the hands of the Ming. Fortunately for the Byzantine military, they would first be given a much more modest task to test the capabilities of their rebuilt and modernized navy.  Also fortunately for the Byzantine military, the Capetian League was a dead letter following Poland's separate peace with the Victorian League, and Poland's only ally was Scandinavia, which had just recently been defeated in war by the HRE alone.   In short, it was an ideal pretext for further expansion of the Byzantine sphere of influence in Europe. The next turn of the Great Game had begun.  [1] These hagiographic Byzantine histories of Constantine naturally downplayed the more unsavory aspects of his reign, such as that little incident where he killed most of his family. [2] As opposed to the architect of a brutal attempt to eradicate the Roman empire's Jewish population and destroy the memory of Judea, may his bones be crushed. The Republic's sizable Jewish minority, of course, took strong exception to the attempted rehabilitation of Hadrian. [3] Interestingly, there was a more or less parallel controversy in France-- some despaired that their great kingdom had been laid waste to by an uncivilized rabble, while others stressed that the vast majority of French territory, industry, and population remained intact and that ultimate triumph was more or less certain. WORLD MAP, 1842 
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Europa, in such a state! The pretenders of Russia and the Holy Roman Empire gain ground, the Hui traitor-kingdoms expand at Christian expense, and now there are calls for a King of Byzantium! There has even be a false triumph, held in the name of the abomination that is the Republic! It's all outrageous! Horrifying! How can God have allowed his loyal children to suffer so? When will this tribulation end, when will the world finally right itself? How can we be His instruments in such an endeavor? These are the questions I and other loyalists ponder at Versailles. Know this: when we determine the answers, we will return for a reckoning! Roma aeterna! SPQR!
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The Zheng He Bay Colony managed to expand into former Iroquois land. Clearly this means Zheng He Bay needs its own tag. You know it will one day be the dominate state of North Avalon. (also did the Lenape expand? they seem a bit bigger)
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God those North American borders are ugly.
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Oh, what an age this is! Victory rings sweet and yet the jackals hound us. Wretched monarchist traitors within, absolutist maniacs without and France. Always France...
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:God those North American borders are ugly. Yeah, there's standard "well, V2 borders are made with the USA in mind, so of course it'll look ugly", and then there's whatever the gently caress that line from Maryland over Florida to Alberta is.
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Not all of us fled to Gaul. Not all of us are going to quibble over king or senate. In truth it does not matter, in truth, both are Roman institutions with a legacy of thousands of years. What matters is the rejection of the past. The repudiation of who we are, of our legacy and our destiny, by these hiratine- mad hypocrites. What matters is the stunting of the future by spoon feeding it bland, pastel propaganda. We Are Rome. Some decry us as the third rail, but those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Our triumphs are now silent, for our name spoken aloud would be the spark to ignite a new revolution, a restoration of all that is good and proper. But there are more of us than the present regime would like to imagine in their worst nightmares. All it would take is one spark, one flame, and their whole false edifice, the phony divorce of Byzantium from Rome, will come crashing down. And every single one of us is carrying a torch.
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I can't think of a better analogy for the King's Party than their own triumph - pomp and fiery rhetoric and the frenetic mimicry of a rose-tinted past, and yet at the middle where basic policy is supposed to be, the chariot is empty. "Rome should have a King!" Splendid, and then what? How would this change our standing on the world stage? What advantages will a monarch bring to the situation with France? Will our armies be so inspired by a laurel wreath that they each shoot an extra Pole? Will the royal family put bread in the mouths of our poor? Or will the restoration of the monarchy simply rearrange the top of the pile and call it a glorious victory?
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Freudian posted:I can't think of a better analogy for the King's Party than their own triumph - pomp and fiery rhetoric and the frenetic mimicry of a rose-tinted past, and yet at the middle where basic policy is supposed to be, the chariot is empty. If i didn't hold the monarchists in such complete contempt i'd assume it was some members of the rich and powerful each assuming they'd be the one crowned as part of their game of showing off how wealthy they are, but apparently it's empty even of a motivating avarice that would lend it some humanity and is just a blank rallying cry for the most mad and out of touch.
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What the hell is this, a megathread update in the year of our lord 2014?!
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AJ_Impy posted:Not all of us fled to Gaul. Not all of us are going to quibble over king or senate. In truth it does not matter, in truth, both are Roman institutions with a legacy of thousands of years. Get out of the Senate chamber you has-been.
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ZearothK posted:What the hell is this, a megathread update in the year of our lord 2014?! I know, right? Glad to see another update. Also, I only just noticed that the Aztecs are still alive. Lazy, lazy.
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I'm impressed to see that the Iroquois and Comanche are somehow not dead yet.
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edit: whined, shouldn't have This made me laugh more than it should have. Good on you, Rincewind. And I mean it. Additionally, I have a professor who is an honorary member of the Haida, so if you'd like me to interview her so you can have more stuff to write about with the Haida, I could do that for you. Mr.Morgenstern fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Dec 25, 2014 |
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AJ_Impy posted:Not all of us fled to Gaul. Not all of us are going to quibble over king or senate. In truth it does not matter, in truth, both are Roman institutions with a legacy of thousands of years.   Filiz I Qutuzid Oh please, surely you can see we don't reject our past any more than you do? In fact, our past is the very reason we won't allow Rome to rise again. Like you say, "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it", but similarly those who only look to the past are doomed to view the present through the mouths of our ancestors. Rome, as glorious as it may be, is a thing of the past. To embrace it would make us no better than France or Russia, who both try to lay claim to a title that hasn't been important since Alexios the Black Emperor destroyed any glory and authority the title of "Emperor" ever had. The only way to become something more than just another pretender, to be more than just equals to France or Russia, is to prove to them that they're chasing a dream. The Empire is dead, buried beneath the sins of France, Russia and Alexios. With it goes Rome, a name who's only redeeming feature is those who sought to end it.
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