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Cocoa Crispies posted:The big reason to not have manuals at all in these cars is because they're not a popular choice, and having fewer choices makes design, engineering, and industrialized manufacturing cheaper: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/03/avoidable-contact-airbags-killed-the-am-radio-star/ I am aware, but that is a quality link that everyone should read. My post was more about the fact that with modern automatics there's a lot of vehicle types for which they are just strictly the smarter choice anyway. I miss my last car, which was a manual, and my next car will be a manual, but if I were in the market for a full-size truck or other large, heavy vehicle with poo poo handling dynamics why would I want a manual for it? The originally linked car that started this conversation is a fairly large luxury sedan with 640hp, a good automatic is going to simply be a better choice in a car like that. If we were still living in the era of four-speed autos and other such nonsense I'd be aboard the all-manual, all the time train too, but we aren't. Edit: If you're complaining about no manual option in a fat Cadillac you aren't the demographic for that car anyway. When the Corvette or Miata come auto-only, then there's a problem.
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HotCanadianChick posted:The 1.0 EB isn't the cheap model, it's mid-pack priced out of the various Fiesta trims. And actually has fewer options than the other mid-trim models. You're paying more money to get a (more powerful, more efficient) 3 cylinder engine and a stick vs. the four pot and automatic on the base trim Fiesta. You misread his post, he's talking about the Focus. Not the Fiesta.
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Q_res posted:You misread his post, he's talking about the Focus. Not the Fiesta. Ach, saw 1.0 ecoboost and my mind automatically filled in Fiesta instead of Focus. Didn't know they were putting that engine in other cars now.
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I thought the 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta was a neat idea until I learned that it's basically a stripper at a mid-level price. In 2014 black steel wheels with plastic covers shouldn't even exist, poo poo like that is inexcusable and only continues to exist to drive people into higher trim (More expensive) models. The Japanese have been on the right path, instead of ridiculous option lists offer limited trim lines. Actual material and production costs between things like cloth and the cheap leather you find in most cars, seat heaters, slightly fancier radios, etc, are absolutely minimal and I'd sooner support a company that honestly builds the best possible car they can with few options for a given market segment's price point.
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Wheeee posted:In 2014 black steel wheels with plastic covers shouldn't even exist I prefer alloys too but 
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Previa_fun posted:I prefer alloys too but Also lot of people prefer cloth to leather
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In other celebrated-nameplates-returning-to-the-US news, FIAT has trademarked the 124 and 124 spyder badges. Soviet-bloc car afficionados will remember that the 124 formed the basis for the Lada and Zastava sedans. http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/12/fiat-trademarks-124-124-spider.html Could these be Miata based coupes and convertibles?
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Alfa pulled out of the Mazda partnership sadly.
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BabyMauler posted:Alfa pulled out of the Mazda partnership sadly. Um, no? They decided to make their version of the Miata with a Fiat/Abarth badge, and use a separate unrelated platform for their Alfa roadster. They haven't pulled out, just switched which badge the car will sell under. http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a24562/fiat-gets-miata-based-roadster/
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HotCanadianChick posted:Ach, saw 1.0 ecoboost and my mind automatically filled in Fiesta instead of Focus. Didn't know they were putting that engine in other cars now. One of my dad's friends has a Focus wagon with the 125hp 1.0, it's pretty peppy.
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KozmoNaut posted:One of my dad's friends has a Focus wagon with the 125hp 1.0, it's pretty peppy. I'm assuming this is Europe, or did they get these things in Canada? I guess the major problem is that here the 125hp 1.0 is an additional charge over the 160hp 2.0, which really isn't a bad engine.
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Q_res posted:You misread his post, he's talking about the Focus. Not the Fiesta. The point is still true though. Looks like the 1.0L engine only comes in the mid-level SE Ford Focus trim, and it's a $800 upgrade (and probably really $1500 since there's an "EcoBoost" package that every dealer will probably order it with.) I guess if you were in the market for a fuel efficient, manual car that was not tiny or bare bones, that Focus might appeal to you? Edit: But it's not even that fuel efficient. It gets the same highway as the normal Focus and 2 MPG better in city. smackfu fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Dec 24, 2014 |
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm assuming this is Europe, or did they get these things in Canada? I guess the major problem is that here the 125hp 1.0 is an additional charge over the 160hp 2.0, which really isn't a bad engine. Yeah, Denmark. It gets significantly better mileage than the 2.0, which matters when gas is hella expensive.
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KozmoNaut posted:Yeah, Denmark. I filled up a Focus with the 2.0 last night, it went 360 miles on this tank: 
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Oh good so I can get a real fiata.
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Twerk from Home posted:I filled up a Focus with the 2.0 last night, it went 360 miles on this tank: 36-38 is what we average on the highway in our 08 Focus as well. I have no complaints about the mpg and the car has been supremely cheap to maintain so far.
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Watching a video of a comparison between the Z/28 and new GT3 and I learned that the Z/28 can be found for well under MSRP. That's a hell of a deal.
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I'm not a MOPAR guy, I'm not even a GM or Ford guy except for the Mustang. I've always been about Mazda, Lexus, Mercedes, Nismo and Subaru. But... Then I saw the Charger Hellcat in person. Then I heard that supercharger whine on acceleration. Then I felt that leather interior, and the amount of room and comfort I have in the cabin. That delightful red paintjob and those aggressive headlights. I have no words. I've been converted and I didn't even know it.
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm assuming this is Europe, or did they get these things in Canada? I guess the major problem is that here the 125hp 1.0 is an additional charge over the 160hp 2.0, which really isn't a bad engine. The 125hp 1.0 fiesta is the second highest epa rated Strait gasoline car. Only 1 or 2mpg behind the most efficient car which is 74hp. The expectation was that you could make up the difference in fuel economy, but that won't happen at 2 bucks a gallon.
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I think you guys are missing the most important fact about the 1.0 ecoboost. The turbocharger spins at up to 248,000 rpms. That's over 4000 rotations per second. What the gently caress.
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Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmZMwk14r4c
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Also the engine is tiny and adorable. It's the size of an adult chihuahua.
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:I think you guys are missing the most important fact about the 1.0 ecoboost. The turbocharger spins at up to 248,000 rpms. That's over 4000 rotations per second. What the gently caress. How the gently caress.. Does this work
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:I think you guys are missing the most important fact about the 1.0 ecoboost. The turbocharger spins at up to 248,000 rpms. That's over 4000 rotations per second. What the gently caress. 248k? That's a typo right?
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Turbines spin a shitload faster than engines do, seeing as they have no reciprocating mass whatsoever and generally get extremely finely balanced.
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SperginMcBadposter posted:248k? That's a typo right? Totally believable for a turbocharger that small. Turbomachinery spins fast.
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Fucknag posted:I mean you have a valid point, but a lot of the time I see that request it's in the context of discussing how (2WD) pickups can be had with a powerful V8 and a not excessive amount of weight for under $25k, and if they had a manual option they would make a fantastic poor man's muscle car, or base for someone who wanted to build a drag car on the cheap. Do automakers really need to encourage more full size truck owners to treat their vehicles like sports cars? Does that not happen enough as it is?
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Augmented Dickey posted:Do automakers really need to encourage more full size truck owners to treat their vehicles like sports cars? Does that not happen enough as it is? 387hp V8, 4200lb RWD vehicle. chrysler has been calling that a sportscar for years now.
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It really does strike me as odd that Ford has built one of the fastest stock pickups ever made, but isn't marketing it as such.
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:It really does strike me as odd that Ford has built one of the fastest stock pickups ever made, but isn't marketing it as such. The transmission even has a sport mode.
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Isn't the GM 6.2l the fastest truck right now? I thought the Fastest Ford was about the same as the fasted Dodge. They might be faster than the original lightning but if you are going to make a special fast truck it should be significantly faster than normal trucks.
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Throatwarbler posted:Isn't the GM 6.2l the fastest truck right now? I thought the Fastest Ford was about the same as the fasted Dodge. They might be faster than the original lightning but if you are going to make a special fast truck it should be significantly faster than normal trucks. The hemi regular cab ram is, but the f150 press trucks were 4x4 extended cab lariat that weighed 4960 lbs. Even then, the 5000lb 2.7 liter f150 does the quarter at 15.1@92.8 to the 6.2s 14.6@96.6 and reg cab hemi ram at 14.1@99 . And that's the baby ecoboost with 800lbs of extra equipment.
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Car and Driver actually just put an instrumented test of a 5500lb platinum supercrew with the 3.5l V6 up and claim it made 0-60 in 5.6 seconds. Looks like it runs out of steam a after that since it only does the 1/4 in 14.4 at 95 but still, that's a loaded 4x4 that weighs a half ton more than the stripper regular cab.
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Kraftwerk posted:I'm not a MOPAR guy, I'm not even a GM or Ford guy except for the Mustang. I've always been about Mazda, Lexus, Mercedes, Nismo and Subaru. Mopar guys are weird, it's a disease. American cars have a unique flair, and Chrysler has always been at the fringe when it comes to that. Often you get insane garbage, but when they get it right it's hilarious. I've had my Daytona Ram near a decade now and it still makes people smile and laugh. It's just so obnoxious and pointless that either people fall in love with it or think it's the best joke ever, but I've yet to meet someone who honestly hates it. The Hellcat is that turned to 11.
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Wheeee posted:I thought the 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta was a neat idea until I learned that it's basically a stripper at a mid-level price. In 2014 black steel wheels with plastic covers shouldn't even exist, poo poo like that is inexcusable and only continues to exist to drive people into higher trim (More expensive) models. No, steel wheels are great. If Ford didn't offer them it wouldn't have been nearly as easy for me to get winter wheels. I do think Ford should offer the 1.0 EB on more trim levels instead of just the one specific SE model. What really shouldn't exist anymore are rear drum brakes.
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Drum brakes on passenger cars are an abomination in tyool 2014.
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Drum brakes. Beam axles. 4 speed autos. Basically the 2015 Toyota Corolla.
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Ariel is supposed to be revealing their new car on January 9th. Behold the Nomad:   
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fknlo posted:Ariel is supposed to be revealing their new car on January 9th. Hot loving drat. That looks amazing.
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