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Shaggar posted:humans are way way cheaper than what it would take to automate a mcdonalds. On the face yeah, but these places are plagued with scheduling issues and people constantly call in b/c they're working 3 jobs with no car and can't make it. they spend stupid amounts on 'going over payroll' and paying harangued managers to stay till 2am working out the schedule, or it's their rear end
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qirex posted:the sf board of supervisors tried to pass a thing saying that shift-work businesses would be required to post work schedules 2 weeks in advance and the chamber of commerce freaked the gently caress out it was kind of funny mrs' boss is up till midnight chewing on his nails over the schedule the day before every time then he gets mad when people are all "hey umm i told you i need X day off" cause there's no re-scheduling room
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Jonny 290 posted:On the face yeah, but these places are plagued with scheduling issues and people constantly call in b/c they're working 3 jobs with no car and can't make it. they spend stupid amounts on 'going over payroll' and paying harangued managers to stay till 2am working out the schedule, or it's their rear end its still cheaper. you know its cheaper because if it wasn't, mcdonalds would be automated. its just too much of a pita to create the tooling and keep it all up to date and maintained and cleaned. like every time they release a new menu item they'd have to consider the cost of adding it to existing lines and what the cost of upgrading each store is. its just not worth it right now. they'll pay more to get more reliable employees before they'll automate.
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don't forget consistency these places make their brand based around consistent product and consisten turnaround times regardless of time of day or location that's huge it will eventually happen
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qirex posted:yeah a completely on-demand workforce is kind of the endgame if you read the article (nyt?) as to why on why apple had to manufacture in china was the ability to wake the workers up from their dorms in the middle of the night and retrain them on building the next iphone and didnt think that was horrific, i hope your threefive rich
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Shaggar posted:the minimum wage should be pegged to the point right below where mcdonalds automation makes financial sense so like $20 an hour then
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:don't forget consistency 24/7 breakfast items might tip McD's over the edge I know they do egg mcmuffins and poo poo after midnight but from my casual polling, people are pretty "meh, it's there" about mcd's lunch/dinner items but a lot of people have more of a tooth for the breakfast stuff
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Jonny 290 posted:24/7 breakfast items might tip McD's over the edge they are a breakfast restaurant with a burg sideline
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Jonny 290 posted:24/7 breakfast items might tip McD's over the edge their financials / sec filings are interesting reading they make insane bank on breakfast (see subway, taco bell doing breakfast, etc.) because they're able to target adults, whereas the lunch/dinner meals target kid/family/retiree . theyre trying to legitimize themselves as a lunch/dinner place for adults so you see continual Arhc Deluxe, Big Angus, wraps, salads, whatever adult-targeted meals
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PCjr sidecar posted:if you read the article (nyt?) as to why on why apple had to manufacture in china was the ability to wake the workers up from their dorms in the middle of the night and retrain them on building the next iphone and didnt think that was horrific, i hope your threefive rich it was less about that and more that they can spool up in just a couple months to make 50 million of A Thing
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:it'll eventually happen like i said, it'll happen with more upscale (but still cheap) restaurants because there's a much more consistent experience, and you're seeing it happening now with applebees et all just the drive through alone is giving me nightmares, automating the whole thing just seems like a major pita
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qirex posted:it was less about that and more that they can spool up in just a couple months to make 50 million of A Thing also "we need to double the size of the factory" can be done very, very quickly
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qirex posted:it was less about that and more that they can spool up in just a couple months to make 50 million of A Thing six of one, half-dozen of the other it only works because they can treat labor as a metered, undifferentiated resource that you can adjust frictionlessly. its an amazing achievement to be that flexible but you cant think of the workers as human
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Uber is putting the screws to New York taxis, and it's announcing the move with a Christmas Eve news dump. This morning, New York City Uber users received an email saying that anyone hailing a yellow cab through Uber’s service will have to pay a $2 surcharge. New York users have the option of hailing a yellow cab using Uber’s app, or hailing one of Uber’s black cars. This summer, Uber cut fares on its UberX black cars by 20 percent and touted the fact that they’re now cheaper than yellow cabs. (Bloomberg found Uber to be very slightly cheaper.) Now the company is further undercutting the New York taxi industry, not by lowering fares again, but by hiking the price of hailing a cab through its app. Considering how convenient hailing through Uber’s app is, and that cab fares were neck-in-neck with UberX's, adding a $2 surcharge to yellow cabs is a significant blow. In its email, Uber claims the fee was added for the benefit of drivers, though the fee will be going directly to Uber. "This fee is a small charge added to uberT trips on behalf of yellow and boro taxi drivers who utilize the Uber platform," the email says. An Uber representative said in an email that the fee is designed "to cover costs associated with provisioning the platform." Similar fees have been put in place in Washington, D.C., and Chicago. The next paragraph is more direct about why the fee is bad news for the New York taxi industry: "We want to take this opportunity to introduce uberX, the low-cost Uber."
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rotor posted:they were just ahead of their time i want to go to an automat
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qirex posted:Uber is putting the screws to New York taxis, and it's announcing the move with a Christmas Eve news dump. This morning, New York City Uber users received an email saying that anyone hailing a yellow cab through Uber’s service will have to pay a $2 surcharge. a drat shame that hailo left the US market. is there any other app that lets me hail green or yellow cabs?
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guys I got a little tech joke for you -- sint32 thisPost;
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Mido posted:guys I got a little tech joke for you thank you for this funny joke and happy christmad god bless u everyone
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Verdafolio posted:a drat shame that hailo left the US market. is there any other app that lets me hail green or yellow cabs? 
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Verdafolio posted:a drat shame that hailo left the US market. is there any other app that lets me hail green or yellow cabs? in new york the app is called "your hand" you wave it in the air and a car stops
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:in new york the app is called "your hand" plenty of deadzones in the outer boroughs where you can have your hand up all night
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Verdafolio posted:plenty of deadzones in the outer boroughs where you can have your hand up all night in which case you have to call a local dispatcher regardless, because there won't be random drivers with whatever mobile app in the cabin
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infernal machines posted:the thing is, if that were even remotely profitable or in any way connected to profitability the cab companies would be doing it voluntarily. good articulation brah
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:in which case you have to call a local dispatcher regardless, because there won't be random drivers with whatever mobile app in the cabin you're getting to the real problem uber (and jitneys) addressed which is the dispatcher saying "lol no" or worse telling you the cab will be there soon but the driver ignores the request and you never get your ride uber's user interaction with the app is nice, just punch in where you want to go and the request button and you get feedback that something is actually happening. there's nothing about the service that requires them to break the law by not having commercially licensed and insured drivers
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Verdafolio posted:plenty of deadzones in the outer boroughs where you can have your hand up all night also if you're black
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hobbesmaster posted:you're getting to the real problem uber (and jitneys) addressed which is the dispatcher saying "lol no" or worse telling you the cab will be there soon but the driver ignores the request and you never get your ride is the additional control uber exhibits over their drivers on a passenger to passenger basis a possible 1099 issue?
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Verdafolio posted:a drat shame that hailo left the US market. is there any other app that lets me hail green or yellow cabs? every company that has an uber-like has their own app and theyre all poo poo
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PCjr sidecar posted:every company that has an uber-like has their own app and theyre all poo poo Pingup? Ya dude.
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hobbesmaster posted:you're getting to the real problem uber (and jitneys) addressed which is the dispatcher saying "lol no" or worse telling you the cab will be there soon but the driver ignores the request and you never get your ride Uber didn't address that, it still happens plenty. Some people even have the Uber dude drive by the pickup spot and just refuse to stop.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:also if you're black Another thing Uber don't actually solve
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Nintendo Kid posted:Uber didn't address that, it still happens plenty. Some people even have the Uber dude drive by the pickup spot and just refuse to stop. ugh. well, there's consequences from uber for that at least in theory I've had that happen with taxis but not uber so worksforme?
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Nintendo Kid posted:Uber didn't address that, it still happens plenty. Some people even have the Uber dude drive by the pickup spot and just refuse to stop. And then they charge you the no show fee!
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Nintendo Kid posted:Uber didn't address that, it still happens plenty. Some people even have the Uber dude drive by the pickup spot and just refuse to stop. yeah Uber is crap but cab companies are horrendous in some places and something needs to be done. i was drunk and trying to get back to my friend's place in pittsburgh and called a dispatcher because there weren't any cabs anywhere. i tell the dispatcher i'm at the getgo at such & such intersection and she says 'we don't do curbside pickups' and hangs up on me. fired up uber without hesitating
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Bloody posted:And then they charge you the no show fee! uber will happily take any fee off for customers and gently caress over drivers
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a really happy medium would be uber opening their system, only allowing actual livery cars & taxis, and acting solely as a middle-man dispatcher that provides a uniform service country-wide. won't happen though and the only company to step in to do that was successful but decided to poison the well like cocks
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http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20141225_Uber_slapped_with_suit_by_45_city_taxi_companies.html A group of 45 Philadelphia taxi companies filed suit in federal court Tuesday alleging that Uber, the app-based taxi enterprise, is waging unfair competition against medallion owners who must operate under state laws and regulations. Lead litigant Checker Cab Philadelphia and the other cab operators accused Uber of racketeering. "Not since the days of bootlegging has there been a criminal enterprise so brazen and open as to attract hundreds of millions of dollars in investment from investment bankers and to operate in blatant violation of federal and state law as Uber," reads the complaint. The case was filed in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. The suit also names 18 individuals, including Uber drivers it says are operating illegally in the city. Pennsylvania's Public Utility Commission recently allowed UberX to operate in the state, but not in Philadelphia, where taxis are regulated by the Philadelphia Parking Authority. UberX is the firm's cheaper car service. Another service, Uber Black, legally provides on-demand limousine service in Philadelphia and elsewhere in the state, complying with regulations on insurance, inspections, and licensing. Citing financial and reputation damage and loss of sales, among other claims, Checker and the plaintiffs group contend the UberX drivers are operating an illegal enterprise under the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO, damaging the value of taxi medallions. A taxi medallion in Philadelphia currently costs about $520,000. The total value of the medallions that allow cabs to operate in the city is about $880 million, according to one figure cited in the lawsuit. As a result of the "unlawful competition of these defendants, the medallion taxicab plaintiffs suffered a significant reduction in the value of their medallions," the suit said. The plaintiffs are represented by Michael Henry of Salaman Grayson & Henry P.C., a Philadelphia firm that specializes in commercial litigation. Checker Cab also alleges false advertising over an Uber e-mail and website messages on Oct. 24 that claimed, "In October, the largest taxi insurer in Pennsylvania went bankrupt . . . There's no guarantee that your taxi ride will be insured." First Keystone Risk Retention, a now-defunct insurer whose policies were to expire on Nov. 20, had insured many city taxi drivers. In the suit, Checker's attorneys said all Philadelphia taxicab medallion plaintiffs had obtained replacement coverage by Oct. 24, despite the insurer's failure. Kalanick's legal problems extend far beyond Philadelphia. Prosecutors in South Korea on Wednesday charged him, his company, and the head of its domestic business partner, MK Korea Co., with violating a transportation law. San Francisco Uber faces growing legal challenges as it expands in Asia amid mounting protest from taxi operators, Bloomberg News reported. Uber and other ride-sharing services face similar legal and regulatory challenges in many U.S. cities. Seoul's Metropolitan Government said this year it might ban Uber's service and similar applications on grounds they are unsafe and compete with licensed taxi services. Starting next week, the government will offer rewards of as much as $905 to people who provide information on Uber's services. Uber's South Korea unit and MK Korea illegally operated rental cars as taxis, an official with the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office said by phone Wednesday. The official, who asked not to be identified, citing internal policy, declined to comment on whether prosecutors expected Kalanick to appear for questioning. Uber said it would fully cooperate with the investigation and was confident the court would uphold a fair and sensible judgment. "We firmly believe that our service, which connects drivers and riders via an application, is not only legal in Korea, but that it is being welcomed and supported by consumers," the company wrote in an e-mail distributed by its South Korean public relations representative. Checker Cab Philadelphia and the plaintiffs group sued Uber; its chief executive officer, Travis Kalanick; Delaware-registered entities tied to Uber; and Google Ventures, which has invested $258 million in Uber.
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