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My kids are going to get large rubber tubs filled with assorted Lego and they will love it.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 01:43 |
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Oh hey, 57 new posts, I wonder if there was an upd-
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 02:00 |
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So like I don't want to seem like I'm shitposting (especially with the last few pages) but I just tried to start reading this and I had to quit at the "racist gay elves" scene. Was that supposed to be funny? Along with the crippling depression of the main character I'm not really finding this entertaining. Does the story ever pick up or is just more and more poo poo like "I wont do this because it makes me feel sad". Because I can just continue living my own life if I want to experience that.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 02:27 |
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:So like I don't want to seem like I'm shitposting (especially with the last few pages) but I just tried to start reading this and I had to quit at the "racist gay elves" scene. Was that supposed to be funny? Along with the crippling depression of the main character I'm not really finding this entertaining. Does the story ever pick up or is just more and more poo poo like "I wont do this because it makes me feel sad". If you don't enjoy watching someone's life fall apart around them repeatedly, this comic is not for you. That said, I don't think you've got to any of Katia's successes yet. Things go well for her sometimes too; the draw of the comic is seeing someone rise out of adversity while also dreading seeing her fail yet again.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 02:31 |
For me the crippling depression is a main draw because every victory is that harder earned. Attempts to find a comparable webcomic have met with mixed success even though I know they have to be out there. I guess Megg, Mogg, and Owll counts too but that's more a comic take on the depressing life of stoners.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 02:37 |
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:So like I don't want to seem like I'm shitposting (especially with the last few pages) but I just tried to start reading this and I had to quit at the "racist gay elves" scene. Was that supposed to be funny? Along with the crippling depression of the main character I'm not really finding this entertaining. Does the story ever pick up or is just more and more poo poo like "I wont do this because it makes me feel sad". Its basically a depression snuff film. Every time the protagonist seems like she's getting some confidence or skill she's absolutely destroyed and goes back to her cycle of self destruction before she tries to better herself ago. Rinse, repeat. I read through that process about three or four times before deciding that following a comic about a cat girl going through whatever level of hell is punished with Sisyphean tasks wasn't worth my time.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 02:49 |
She went from no confidence to some confidence and able to practice a little bit of magic unintentionally to more confidence and more magic, now she can perform simple acts of telepathy and believe she can, with help, take on some imps. The setbacks are painful, but they happen in real life too.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 03:17 |
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I am completely meh on the story but some of the scripting stuff Kazerad and those who helped him did in the dream sequence was pretty cool.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 03:43 |
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I almost want to look at its article on TV Tropes just to work out where the contributors were actively masturbating as they typed out the entries.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 03:58 |
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Yeah there was a point where things went bad for Katia and she responded by getting shitfaced drunk AGAIN where I had to ragequit the entire comic for awhile, but when I came back to it that turned out to be her lowest point and since then she's very, very slowly started getting a better grip on her life. And without spoiling things later there's this point where it's obvious she's turned a corner and it's such a relief knowing that no matter how bad things get, they'll never get that bad again. Or maybe I'm just letting myself get too involved with some crappy fanfic about the lamest Elder Scrolls game, but even moreso than the crippling self loathing Katia deals with it's the drinking that got to me. I guess it just hits close to home because I've had a cousin who's had issues with alcoholism as long as I can remember and she's put the entire family through an unbelievable amount of poo poo over the years, to the point I have zero sympathy for her anymore even if it really is 'not her fault' and 'she can't help herself' and blah blah blah. For all the flak Kaz gets for the situations he's put Katia in, realistically having drunken sex with some random guy and kind of regretting the morning after is one of the least bad results that can come from getting black out drunk on a regular basis. Parts Kit posted:I am completely meh on the story but some of the scripting stuff Kazerad and those who helped him did in the dream sequence was pretty cool. Weirdly enough I just read that part earlier today, and it's still amazing. My favorite sequence in the comic by far and I only hope we get more like it when Sigrid's dealt with and we get back on track of that part of the plot. Zoe fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Dec 21, 2014 |
# ? Dec 21, 2014 04:00 |
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By now I just want to see Kvatch burn.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 04:05 |
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Yeah, this doesn't sound like a webcomic for me. I'll just quit before I become like AoA.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 04:44 |
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Most of the depressing stuff was in the beginning of the comic, if you don't like fiction where things go wrong for the main character just skip to here, the dinner party is well worth reading through and IIRC everything's been pretty much uphill since then. And refusing to read the comic at all means you miss out entirely on meeting the Perfectly Normal Human Girl and the Daedric Prince of Nightmares and the entire 'Katia learns telekinesis' sequence, why would you deny yourself of this.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 05:20 |
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idonotlikepeas posted:Prequel unnngh im horny!!! IM GOING TO CUM!!! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 05:24 |
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Zoe posted:Most of the depressing stuff was in the beginning of the comic, if you don't like fiction where things go wrong for the main character just skip to here, the dinner party is well worth reading through and IIRC everything's been pretty much uphill since then. And refusing to read the comic at all means you miss out entirely on meeting the Perfectly Normal Human Girl and the Daedric Prince of Nightmares and the entire 'Katia learns telekinesis' sequence, why would you deny yourself of this. In case people ignore this advice on the basis of the Homestuck avatar (since apparently a common complain about the comic is that it kinda reminds them of Homestuck. Even though Homestuck didn't use the audience-participation past the first few chapters, at least as far as I could tell) I'll add my Dr. Horrible-avatar-having agreement. Overall, the comic's maybe not the greatest? But if you manage to get past the 'eww, furries' stage, it's a rather unique story (most comics are either slice-of-life, or just generally happier and/or more action-oriented. It's quite rare to have a 'rising from the ashes'-kinda story) And if you start at Zoe's link, you get to skip the misery-porn that is the early chapters - from there on the bad events are more 'sometimes bad things happen to good people' to keep things interesting, and there's a general up-curve. Compared to the oh-so-popular A Song of Ice and Fire series, the comic (from the link forward) is practically optimistic
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 10:52 |
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It's not entirely obvious until you've read the whole thing, but there is a moment 50 pages in (around where Zoe linked to) where Katia turns a corner and the comic gets really enjoyable. The first 50 pages are kind of mean-spirited in that they're just one crushing disappointment after another with humour indiscriminately sewn throughout and you certainly wouldn't be the first person to quit during that period. This is generally the time where the whole 'torture porn' accusation comes from. 50 pages in though, Katia vows to turn things around and you can see a distinct change in the way the comic treats her. She starts having a great many successes - getting on with things instead of endlessly screwing up, learning some great new skills, successfully navigating a dinner party with a scary countess and gaining enough self confidence that later on, when she hits another dark moment, her response is (after struggling with her feelings for a bit) to get that poo poo sorted. The tone of the comic also changes to use humour and drama much more effectively - moments where Katia is just screwing about are pretty tame and easily laughed off, for both us and her, like trying to take on a pair of mudcrabs by hiding behind a rock and chucking apples at them. Bigger setbacks, like her nightmares, often drop the humour entirely and become these really neat, dark, dramatic moments, with some good animated and/or interactive segments with the occasional clever twist, like Katia's dream self hiding from a monster inside a drop-down box. The most obvious example of this came recently, where a bad situation was treated with humour because Katia (for reasons I won't spoil) didn't realise the danger she was blindly walking through, then as she came to her senses and lost control of her emotions it became this grimly atmospheric nightmare that ramped up the drama nicely. Then it all got capped off in a really fun, emotionally satisfying and well made segment where she learns some new skills, has a confusing pep-talk from a ghost, gets her confidence back and goes to get. That. poo poo. SORTED. LIKE THIS: If you aren't convinced by the dinner party, try this link on a PC that can run flash, do the interactive bits and read to the current update - it's pretty much the comic at its best and if that won't convince you then it really isn't for you! See, this is the kind of thing I wanted to talk about in this thread originally. God it feels good to just enthuse about stuff.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 11:14 |
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Zoe posted:Yeah there was a point where things went bad for Katia and she responded by getting shitfaced drunk AGAIN where I had to ragequit the entire comic for awhile, but when I came back to it that turned out to be her lowest point and since then she's very, very slowly started getting a better grip on her life. And without spoiling things later there's this point where it's obvious she's turned a corner and it's such a relief knowing that no matter how bad things get, they'll never get that bad again. To be fair, she's probably been cursed by Sanguine at some point. No one gets blackout drunk from just tasting alcohol. edit: Actually, now that I think about Sanguine, she's probably been blessed by him. Whichever.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 15:56 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:It's not entirely obvious until you've read the whole thing, but there is a moment 50 pages in (around where Zoe linked to) where Katia turns a corner and the comic gets really enjoyable. A summary of this should go in the OP. Or at least some kind of mentioned that the tone of the early comic is significantly darker than the rest might be helpful. Right now it's says it's 'strongly recommended you start in the beginning' when it seems like it's the beginning that's scaring some readers off. Of course just skipping it all may give some of the later triumphs less impact, but at the same time there's still a lot of people who read comics for escapism and fun and in particular weren't expecting to get hit over the head with the grim reality of addiction and crippling self-loathing issues right off the bat in a cutesy-looking comic about an Oblivion catgirl. quote:See, this is the kind of thing I wanted to talk about in this thread originally. God it feels good to just enthuse about stuff. Yeah, I always wished this thread had more actual comic discussion as well. Besides the fact that Katia has been getting so much more awesome lately, this comic has some of the greatest side characters. I just reread the whole 'You are now Captain Gaius' segment and it's still fantastic. Vaermina is not at all what anyone expected and even with all the hilarity there there's that 'holy poo poo' moment at her reaction to learning about the nightmares. As much as I want to see Sigrid get taken down, with the slow update pace it's easy to forget that this is just a sidequest. Finding whoever/whatever is causing the nightmares and dealing with them is still the central conflict of the story as I see it...arguably they're what drove Katia to drinking and led to a bunch of her other issues. I assume it's some Daedric rear end in a top hat trying to mess up her destiny as the PC, but there might be more to it than that. e: Want an avatar of this. Zoe fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Dec 21, 2014 |
# ? Dec 21, 2014 17:39 |
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loving Sworddog, man; that's the kind of thing that made me love this stupid comic. $2881 on the fundraiser; that's a pretty momumental amount of Lego. Can you get a delivery direct from a Lego store Kaz? It would save you having to sort this out yourself. Are there enough sick children for that much Lego? Can this actually be done before Xmas?
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 19:44 |
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Kazerad posted:Thanks! And yeah, it was partially inspired by your comments. It was also partially inspired by Zenzirouj's request to learn more about what Katia is like while she's drunk. I like your bad comic could you please stop posting where I can see it so I can maintain the illusion of liking you?
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 02:06 |
There is a for reals lego fundraiser?
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 02:35 |
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Motherfucker posted:I like your bad comic could you please stop posting where I can see it so I can maintain the illusion of liking you? I admit I'm pretty surprised that people still bring up that post . Like, it was a crack at Dominic Deegan made in relatively poor taste more than three years ago. I think the joke is less clear today, now that everyone has forgotten about that comic and the time it legitimately tried to play off a protagonist as being morally justified in violently raping someone. I am sorry for the post, for what it's worth. Like, even if DD did this stuff legit and deserved a little mockery, it was probably not a topic I should have joked about in such a cavalier manner. e: Doctor_Fruitbat posted:$2881 on the fundraiser; that's a pretty momumental amount of Lego. Can you get a delivery direct from a Lego store Kaz? It would save you having to sort this out yourself. Are there enough sick children for that much Lego? Can this actually be done before Xmas? I should be able to do it before Christmas, but it's definitely evolved into something more complicated than I was expecting and involving a lot more hospitals than I planned. Kazerad fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Dec 22, 2014 |
# ? Dec 22, 2014 02:43 |
My mom will probably be at Vista Del Mar hosptial this weekend. I'm sure
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 04:37 |
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Kazerad posted:I admit I'm pretty surprised that people still bring up that post . Like, it was a crack at Dominic Deegan made in relatively poor taste more than three years ago. I think the joke is less clear today, now that everyone has forgotten about that comic and the time it legitimately tried to play off a protagonist as being morally justified in violently raping someone. I've read writers of all kinds of fiction talking about how they have enough trouble having characters saying terrible things, and perceived as agreeing with those characters. Even if other characters say how horrible that character is being. So when when the intent is subtle, even less people are going to connect the dots.
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 05:24 |
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:So like I don't want to seem like I'm shitposting (especially with the last few pages) but I just tried to start reading this and I had to quit at the "racist gay elves" scene. Was that supposed to be funny? Along with the crippling depression of the main character I'm not really finding this entertaining. Does the story ever pick up or is just more and more poo poo like "I wont do this because it makes me feel sad". it was supposed to be funny, but unfortunately the writer of this comic is kazerad.
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 07:44 |
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I enjoy reading prequel and want to talk about it with other people who also enjoy reading prequel but every time I try Audio & co are freaking out like that guy who had a vendetta against Pick in the webcomics thread and I don't want to have to read that.
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 21:48 |
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I solemnly swear not to engage Audio in this thread, or probably any thread, ever again. Now back to the comic!
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 22:00 |
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YellerBill posted:I enjoy reading prequel and want to talk about it with other people who also enjoy reading prequel but every time I try Audio & co are freaking out like that guy who had a vendetta against Pick in the webcomics thread and I don't want to have to read that. You could just ignore the posters on probation and just post and talk about the comic instead.
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 22:23 |
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For what it's worth, someone crossposting this comic because of the grossness led me to discover it and find out it is kind of cute when it's not being depressing. I wouldn't want to sit there and follow it obsessively but it made a good binge read. So the evil did me some good at least.
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 22:43 |
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I like this Homestuck better than the other.
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# ? Dec 23, 2014 23:13 |
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corn in the bible posted:You don’t see people talking about Daggerfall much, but it had a lot of interesting concepts that set it apart from the series’ later titles. The scale was enormous - the width of Cyrodiil in Oblivion is just a bit shorter than the distance between two of Daggerfall's 15,000 towns. Dungeons were not made to be navigable - they were confusing, winding messes where there was a good chance you would have to give up without ever finding the artifact/person you were looking for. On top of this, quests were timed - waiting around to heal or getting roped into a sidequest wasn't viable, since you were only given a certain number of days to complete a mission and a good number of those would be dedicated to sleep or travel. If you failed a quest, it would reduce your reputation with factions or make the main storyline unwinnable. Oh man I just found the best post in the thread. Source your quotes please i'm dying. e: remember when touching poop was bannable? 420 Gank Mid fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Dec 24, 2014 |
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420 Gank Mid posted:Oh man I just found the best post in the thread. Source your quotes please i'm dying. Kazerad's blog is a wonderful thing.
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# ? Dec 25, 2014 15:04 |
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420 Gank Mid posted:Oh man I just found the best post in the thread. Source your quotes please i'm dying. My Tumblr is not exactly a huge secret. I hyperlinked it, to save you googling time. Merry Christmas. I admit I do post contentious opinions there, but it's not, like, conventionally contentious. It's mostly half-baked thoughts about communication and marketing. Part of the reason I watch so many boards talking about my writing and encourage people to email me is because I do want people to disagree with what I say; I am not inextricably locked into my beliefs and I enjoy seeing counterpoints and agreement alike, even if these days I can no longer personally respond to every bit of it. My goal is to explore ideas, not position myself as an authority who makes definitive and poorly-informed statements. You can help, and I don't mind! At the same time, though, it's important to note that most of the topics I write about are majority rule. If you have a discrepancy with anything I say and I can address it without alienating a larger or more significant group, then I will happily do so, but I can't simply take your word that you are representative. If there's anything I've learned from communicating with thousands of people over the last few years, it's that the commonly perpetuated views of what is good/bad are actually pretty different from what most people want or enjoy. It's a scary and confusing thing to deal with, and one of the major reasons I try to explore "contentious" opinions - since I've found that in many cases, it's what people already believe and they've been waiting for someone to say it. But yeah, I don't want to contribute to the thread derail. Instead, I'll just re-emphasize that if you have a problem with something I'm doing, you can come talk to me about it personally, and I'll listen to you and do everything in my power to make it better. I know, you'd probably consider it "touching the poop" or whatever, but the offer is completely open. I assure you, I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing and your opinion is valuable, no matter what it is.
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# ? Dec 25, 2014 21:39 |
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Lego with an s? Shameful. Just kidding man, that's p cool You in the market for Voice actors?
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# ? Dec 25, 2014 21:45 |
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WarpedNaba posted:Lego with an s? Shameful. I've been super self-conscious about that this whole time because I know it's wrong, but it reads smoother and people know what it means. And thanks for the offer, but all I need in the near future is a Katia VA and I've had the same one for three years. For now, though, I've gotta go work on the stuff.
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# ? Dec 25, 2014 21:54 |
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So Kaz, $4330-worth of Lego, how did that go then?
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# ? Dec 25, 2014 22:08 |
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Kazerad posted:And thanks for the offer, but all I need in the near future is a Katia VA and I've had the same one for three years. Whoa whoa whoa, what?
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# ? Dec 26, 2014 16:22 |
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Is it Elisabeth Noone, voice actress of the Oblivion's beloved "50 year old chain smoking lesbian" Khajiit/Argonian women voice?
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# ? Dec 26, 2014 17:10 |
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I read through this comic; I have no clue as to how I discovered it, though I suppose that doesn't matter. Not a fan of its furry elements, but whatever. The author is a flawed person, and I'm a hypocrite for saying that, but I think it's better than calling him creepy. The hate posts against him aren't really justifiable, but they were kind of funny. Mostly, I've been thinking about the heavy-handed exploration of Catgirl's depression to connect with the audience. It was discussed a bit, earlier, and it was interesting. Any further thoughts on it?
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# ? Dec 30, 2014 08:25 |
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Hiveminded posted:I read through this comic; I have no clue as to how I discovered it, though I suppose that doesn't matter. Not a fan of its furry elements, but whatever. The author is a flawed person, and I'm a hypocrite for saying that, but I think it's better than calling him creepy. The hate posts against him aren't really justifiable, but they were kind of funny. People like characters they can relate to. Katia is a loser whose family hates her and whose life has gone nowhere. We are goons, so are most likely in similar situations. It's like why people on 4chan can relate to that creepy nerd girl in the anime Watamote.
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# ? Dec 30, 2014 09:05 |