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Kitfox88 posted:uh if you look at the sprites abysians are red so it is strong injun man corrupted by blood sacrifice (fire water) Would unironically play this nation exclusively
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Well, it isn't like he killed a dragon with that attack, right? 4 damage isn't enough, he had to make a few good rolls before.
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Dec 25, 2014 19:37
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That was combat round 1, the dude ran up and hit the dragon before the dragon could react. But my dragon had fought 5 previous rounds in the arena that turn and apparently damage from those doesn't heal in between fights. Jomon dude only had to fight the one though 
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Boing posted:That was combat round 1, the dude ran up and hit the dragon before the dragon could react. But my dragon had fought 5 previous rounds in the arena that turn and apparently damage from those doesn't heal in between fights. Jomon dude only had to fight the one though e: also yes under no circumstances ever put your PG in there, people are going to spam the worst kind of horrible poo poo with their mages just to ensure it dies the time after it wins. jBrereton fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Dec 25, 2014 |
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Dec 25, 2014 20:01
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I'm pretty sure you don't heal after every battle. There's one specific place in the turn order where everyone who isn't diseased heals.
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Boing posted:That was combat round 1, the dude ran up and hit the dragon before the dragon could react. But my dragon had fought 5 previous rounds in the arena that turn and apparently damage from those doesn't heal in between fights. Jomon dude only had to fight the one though Are you sure of that? I could swear the Arena uses a "tourney" format, when there are several combatants, fights are organized in pairs, and the winner of each pair then fight in between themselves, like quarters, semifinals, finals, until they have the final winner. So it doesn't make sense your Dragon fought 5 times and the Jomon dude 1. *maybe I'm wrong*. It wouldn't be the first time.
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Turin Turambar posted:I could swear the Arena uses a "tourney" format, when there are several combatants, fights are organized in pairs, and the winner of each pair then fight in between themselves, like quarters, semifinals, finals, until they have the final winner. So it doesn't make sense your Dragon fought 5 times and the Jomon dude 1. I've had guys who fought a single battle and won the arena because they weren't randomly picked until the final battle and I've had guys who fought every single battle because they were randomly picked right at the start and kept winning. You definitely do not heal damage between arena fights. I don't know precisely how the arena works; but it is definitely possible to only be picked to fight in the finals.
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Dec 26, 2014 02:23
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The Arena poo poo is essentially useless anyway so who cares.
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Dec 26, 2014 02:28
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Dec 26, 2014 02:40
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For a clown. At the circus. Who's diseased.
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Dec 26, 2014 02:42
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Neruz posted:but it is definitely possible to only be picked to fight in the finals. "But that's insanely retarded," he pleased to the uncaring Illwinter.
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Dec 26, 2014 02:54
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Its those underworld bookies, they obviously rigged the arena so the underdog daimyo would win against the dragon and then their spectre buddies would rake in some serious winnings.
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Dec 26, 2014 06:42
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Hey-o, Dom4 is $8.75 on Steam right now for the 12-hour flash sale. Which means I purchased it and I'm upgraded from Dom3 now! I...am not sure where to start, of course. Are the nations that were carried over from Dom3 changed by a whole lot? Is there a good place to catch up on everything new? I think I'm going to sign up for jolly game.
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I'm looking today at Bandar Log. Anyone have hints for playing them? I'm doubting in which of the four types of monkeys, markatas, atavis, vanara, bandar, should I focus on building for my armies. And some of the national summons confuse me. Why anyone would want to summon a Siddha, a Devata, a Devala, or a Rudra? They come too late and a bit too expensive for their power. Same with Nagaraja and Nagarishi, except they also are very hard to summon with your national mages. Yaksha, Yakshini and Kinnara are useful because they give you Water 3, Earth 3 and Air 2, in the other hand.
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Dec 26, 2014 10:33
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Spincut posted:Hey-o, Dom4 is $8.75 on Steam right now for the 12-hour flash sale. Hello and welcome to the game of musical hitlers! Always remember to mail electric six lyrics to <everyone> every turn of every game. I never played dom3 so I can't help you there, but http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/ is good for looking up all the different units and spells and whatnot.
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Dec 26, 2014 11:13
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Checking the patch notes it seems Illwinter made P/S weapons slightly less poo poo underwater and re-jiggered some underwater spells and items. Is this the big UW patch that was mentioned previously? It seems kinda underwhelming. I just want my fish-mans to be viable.
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Dec 26, 2014 11:18
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Dominions Four: I just want my fish-mans to be viable.
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AmishSpecialForces posted:Checking the patch notes it seems Illwinter made P/S weapons slightly less poo poo underwater and re-jiggered some underwater spells and items. Is this the big UW patch that was mentioned previously? It seems kinda underwhelming. I just want my fish-mans to be viable. I would say it's barely the start. He has to rework the UW nations.
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Dec 26, 2014 11:58
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I have a few days off, might properly finish up my amphibious mod that is actually just a "make them all land nations" mod. e: Even if they completely redid UW province generation so that they Have Resources and other crazy poo poo like that, unless they change the code for how UW/Land nations work, underwater nations can't land recruits outside of forest/mountain/waste/coast recruitment. Plains are a big-old gently caress you despite being the kind of province that it's sometimes nice to get forts on just to solidify your income. They'd also have to go for a pass over the aesthetically pleasing maps that come with the game and give them some mountain/forest/etc. attributes so they generate more resources. jBrereton fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Dec 26, 2014 13:50
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Can I play this with a friend or two and AI? The OP mentions you basically need a dedicated server. Is that because you can't save the game or is that just for giant goon games?
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Dec 26, 2014 13:52
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Elukka posted:Can I play this with a friend or two and AI? The OP mentions you basically need a dedicated server. Is that because you can't save the game or is that just for giant goon games? I've never done it, but yeah, they are called Blitz games, one of your setup the game and the other connect to the game putting the IP of the other. Look in the Network menu.
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jBrereton posted:I have a few days off, might properly finish up my amphibious mod that is actually just a "make them all land nations" mod. What do you mean by "make them all land nations"? I've been considering trying to make a simple mod that would give water provinces more resources/better sites.
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AmishSpecialForces posted:Checking the patch notes it seems Illwinter made P/S weapons slightly less poo poo underwater and re-jiggered some underwater spells and items. Is this the big UW patch that was mentioned previously? It seems kinda underwhelming. I just want my fish-mans to be viable. if that's all there is to the big underwater patch then fishmen will never be viable
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AmishSpecialForces posted:What do you mean by "make them all land nations"? I've been considering trying to make a simple mod that would give water provinces more resources/better sites. What this actually changes is a huge bias in favour of starting/not starting in water, and whether national fort recruitment is for underwater or land forts (UW nations can always build forts on land, land nations can be set to be able to build forts underwater). All land nations get up to 5 underwater commander and underwater unit recruitment slots. Alongside whatever indies are around, that gives them an underwater roster of usually about 6 commanders and 7 or 8 units - that isn't huge, but there are land nations which, on land, get a smaller roster, like Eriu for example. All factions also get a couple of coastal unit and commander slots, which means you can put whatever can crawl out of the ocean on there for flavour/balance???'s sake. By contrast, water nations just get indies on land except for specific #x-rec which isn't fort-only. Lame. Even if the new patch has Gift of Air Breathing or something like that so that tons of Triton Guards can go on land with your Mind Lords, water nations will still be boring as gently caress on land unless that changes.
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A bunch of my friends are playing this game, so I bought it too. This thing is the most impenetrable web of bullshit I've ever come across. I watched a youtube video on how to play, and after 45 minutes the dude hadn't even started the actual game. Most of the interface is "here's a bunch of symbols that you're going to need to look up in the 300 page manual online" instead of just having a tooltip next to them.
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:A bunch of my friends are playing this game, so I bought it too. This thing is the most impenetrable web of bullshit I've ever come across. I watched a youtube video on how to play, and after 45 minutes the dude hadn't even started the actual game. Most of the interface is "here's a bunch of symbols that you're going to need to look up in the 300 page manual online" instead of just having a tooltip next to them. What would you like to know?
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Maybe a 6 credit course at a post-secondary school. How does anyone get into this game? Are most people holdovers from dominions 1-3?
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:A bunch of my friends are playing this game, so I bought it too. This thing is the most impenetrable web of bullshit I've ever come across. I watched a youtube video on how to play, and after 45 minutes the dude hadn't even started the actual game. Most of the interface is "here's a bunch of symbols that you're going to need to look up in the 300 page manual online" instead of just having a tooltip next to them. Literally almost every symbol or stat can be clicked and the game will give you an explanation (which can range from super vague to relatively detailed) so just click everything you see. e: I learned the game by clicking stuff, seriously I had never watched or read an lp but I knew more than most other newbies in my first games. I did play the super poo poo dom3 tutorial when I tried the demo but it's uh not that helpful except for learning that yes you can move armies and build stuff imo (didn't buy dom3 though). Absum fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:Maybe a 6 credit course at a post-secondary school. I learned by looking at one of the screenshot LP's here on Something Awful, and then got my rear end kicked a few times before I understood the game enough to at least beat the AI. Links are in the OP of this thread, just look it up.
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:Maybe a 6 credit course at a post-secondary school. I got into Dom3 because I was searching for a nice, turn-based fantasy strategy sim at the time and it looked like fun. Dom4 was an upgrade for me in every aspect: I seriously deinstalled Dom3 the day I tried the fourth part and never looked back. (I think this is the opposite of being a holdover.) Edit: Goddamn typos. Libluini fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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I got into it from an LP of Dominions 3 and then playing that for a while. I think it might be something you either get into or which falls flat, I'll see about making a guide on YouTube or something. What do you think you were most missing out on knowing?, because that stuff matters as to what gets talked about first.
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Bought this because cheap and I've always wanted Dominions. I have no idea what the hell I am doing.  I've got the hang of Paradox stuff, Dorf Fort, and Aurora, so I'm sure I'll figure this out.
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Killed a Girl in 96 posted:Maybe a 6 credit course at a post-secondary school. I tried years ago the Dominions 3 demo, but the UI seemed to me super bad (and also the random maps are pretty ugly for the uninitiated). I hated having to click on each unit to know what was and how you couldn't compare stats between units, instead of having a normal table where you can see all the stats in one view. I left it thinking it surely was overrated :P. Years later, I tried again with Dominions 4 after hearing how awesome the series was, this time doing it more properly, reading the manual, doing the tutorial included in the manual (yes a non-interactive tutorial, you have to read the manual and the do the stuff in the game) and with patience. And hey, the UI was still bad the game was promising. Then you get over the graphics, and the UI is alleviated with extensive use of keyboard shortcuts. So yeah, I got in the game in Dominions 4, it isn't impossible. So: a) Read the manual. Use a tablet or a ebook reader and have it as your book to read this week. Do the tutorial included. b) Faster lookup of units, spells and items here http://larzm42.github.com/dom4inspector c) Be aware that one of the "problems" for noobs is how front loaded is the game. Before the first turn there are already very important strategic choices to make, when you make your Pretender. You have to know about dominion spread, bless mechanics, scales, choose a pretender depending of the strengths of your nation, etc.But one you overcome that problem the game is much more clearer. d) Keys to learn r to recruit t to setup army c to see a battle report in the selected province v to view the battle in the selected province n is next commander, f is previous commander m is the message (events) list ? to list all the rest of key shortcuts, which are different depending on what windows you are in that moment.
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Hello new players! We're here to help - hop on IRC and ask questions, and ask them here too. Big things to focus on as a new player: 1) Learn how to recruit troops and 'expand' by taking over independent provinces near your starting spot. A good player can pull upwards of 25+ provinces in the first year against the AI, but aiming for 15 is a good starting point. 2) Learn how to research magic, and how to script your mages to cast certain spells in battle. Flaming Arrows (a Fire spell at Enchantment 4) is a good target to go for if you have ranged troops. Thunder Strike (Evocation 4) is great if you have strong air mages. Horde of Skeletons (Enchantment 5) is really good if you have death mages. Those are some good examples, but you can really just pick an interesting spell and shoot for it. 3) I'd recommend picking some of the more simple nations. EA Vanheim, MA Vanheim and LA Midgard are all very simple and very strong nations to get started with. 4) Avoid Dominions 3 Let's Plays at first - they will make you interested in strategies that don't necessarily work anymore in Dom4. Focus on expanding well and learning how to script your troops and mages. 5) Once you're comfortable with expanding in your first year, hop in a newbie game! Everyone else is terrible, too. 6) Bookmark this website and use it: http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/. It helps you lookup magic, items and units quickly.
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Mister Adequate posted:Bought this because cheap and I've always wanted Dominions. I have no idea what the hell I am doing. A primer about the game 1 You recruit commanders and normal units in your province with fort (recruit button) 2 The normal troops form squads, which have to be under a commander control to move around, ala Heroes/King's Bounty. You have to transfer them manually. 3 Dominions score in the build Pretender at the start of a game is more important you may believe, raise it up to 7, at least. 4 How to build stuff: -Commanders can build new forts. -Priests can build new temples, needed to recruit more priests and other "holy" units, and help to expand your religious-magical influence in the world (the white candles). Priests also has the option to preach in a province, which is like acting like a temple in the spread of the religion. Priests has a few spells, like Banish (good against undead) and Blessing (essential to bless special holy troops). -Mages can build laboratories, needed to recruit more mages. -Mages can go out to use the action "search magical sites", which they give you magical gems over time, the equivalent of mana in other fantasy 4x games. -Mages in labs can research more magic spells, cast magic rituals (need gems) which include summoning spells, and forge magical items (also need gems). They also cast spells on battle, of course. 5 That initial Dominion score, temples and priests help spread your Dominion, which have certain scores associated to it, the scales you choose at the start of the game. The idea is simple: if you are a god of Order and luck, the lands under your Dominion gain more order and luck, you are a god of death and chaos, the lands will gain said features (like bonus gold, extra events, province's population dying, etc etc). 6 Blessing is the most complex but still inside of what we could call "basic features", and it's important because some nations use it as main strategy. Your Pretender God has magical scores, like Fire 9 Or Nature 4, you choose then when you create him. This means he can do Fire and Nature magic, and he is especially good with Fire spells, but also means the bless of your god will be related to fire (+attack) and nature (+hp). Normally every Nation has most types of troops as normal soldiers, and in addition one elite troop which can be built in the capital, marked as "sacred" unit. Sacred units can be blessed in the middle of balttle by your priests, your prophet or your own God (that is just another unit in the game) to gain the extra bonus described above, related to the magic your Pretender God knows. Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Thanks for that, your two posts here actually help with several things I was currently confused by! I take it these are common enough pitfalls for us new players? 
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Turin Turambar posted:I'm looking today at Bandar Log. Anyone have hints for playing them? I'm doubting in which of the four types of monkeys, markatas, atavis, vanara, bandar, should I focus on building for my armies. The other start is where you go with a N9, W9 or F9 bless for your Tiger Riders and White Ones. This works as well, and N9 can be nice on your troops early on and then your Yogi communions later on. W9 gives your Tiger Riders more of an early game bite, and F9 is more of a meta bless if you see other N9/W9 bless nations in the game. If you go with the dragon start, you can use elephants and cheap monkeys early on to expand easily. Just make sure to stop spending on elephants by about turn 9 or 10 - they won't hold up against other players, even if they're good to expand. You want to start making tons of monkey archers to fight other players. I'd recommend mixing the monkeys so you can layer them. Put the cheapest shortest ranged monkeys up front, with atavi archers behind them. quote:And some of the national summons confuse me. Why anyone would want to summon a Siddha, a Devata, a Devala, or a Rudra? They come too late and a bit too expensive for their power. Same with Nagaraja and Nagarishi, except they also are very hard to summon with your national mages. Yaksha, Yakshini and Kinnara are useful because they give you Water 3, Earth 3 and Air 2, in the other hand. You want 1 Yakshini for site searching, forging and rituals. You spend the rest of your nature gems on Yakshas, because Earth and Earth/Astral are super important for Bandar. Earth provides you with spells like Iron Bane and Destruction, as well as the ability to do Earthquakes and Maws of the Earth. Earth/Astral is important to produce some Crystal Matrices to let you cast important spells on Turn 1 of fights. You want 2 or 3 Kinnaras to provide air magic support for your armies. They can fly around and tap into Yogi communions to cast important spells like Wind Guide, Arrow Fend, Storm, Mass Flight and Fog Warriors. The rest of your pearls get spent on Gandharvas - these guys are amazing, especially with the buffs Bandar can provide. Bandar doesn't get easy access to Flaming Arrows for all of its archers (unless you go the Fire Dragon route), but you can actually do more with Wind Guide + Destruction. Destruction is a great equalizer for the monkeys. Monkeys throwing poop can kill even Ashdod's epic giants when the giants have no armor. Later on, Bandar has very cost-effective research and communions with great paths to use in communions. It has access to great mages and summons. The hardest part is just surviving the first 18 turns or so until you come into your own. Have Some Flowers! fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Just remember, Badar is an advanced nation with subtle sources of power and requires good use/knowledge of communions, combat buffs, intelligent and judicious use of summons, synergy, and pretty much every non-point-and-click magic path. Bandar is fun as hell but also difficult and confusing.
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