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I usually just call Fritz the Cat "poo poo" personally.
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Being cartoony has nothing to do with it. If having a scene where the dad peeps on Ryuko and gets injured from it is truly important (lol, but ok for the sake of argument), why does it have to actually show Ryuko undressing? Why can't it go Ryuko taking off socks -> dad shown peeping -> dad gets injured? Why does there have to be a "and then the audience sees Ryuko naked" step in this process Also please explain to me what makes Girls Bravo a comedy with fanservice and what makes Kill la Kill a comedy with sexual humor
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Dec 27, 2014 01:56
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WickedHate posted:It's not even sexist and labeling it that way just because the costumes show skin is ridiculous. That and the gazy parts are intentional and it's not for fanservice. It's almost satire. Getting mad at it for being "sexist" is like getting mad at Life of Brian for being "blasphemous". WickedHate posted:It is, unironically, one of the best works of fiction in human history, and I'm not exaggerating at all. I can understand finding it unappealing or being repulsed by some elements of it, but shallow dismissal just sucks. AHAHAAH. Every time WickedHate post they somehow become an even sadder poster.
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Dec 27, 2014 01:57
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KlK is a lovely show, but I'm glad it exists because it gave us this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93oihEbeKmw
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ninjewtsu posted:Being cartoony has nothing to do with it. If having a scene where the dad peeps on Ryuko and gets injured from it is truly important (lol, but ok for the sake of argument), why does it have to actually show Ryuko undressing? Why can't it go Ryuko taking off socks -> dad shown peeping -> dad gets injured? Why does there have to be a "and then the audience sees Ryuko naked" step in this process Why is it necessary that there not be? Being cartoony has a lot to do with it. In a show like Daily Lives of High School Boys, an upskirt shot would be a lot different because of how much more realistic and less comical the designs are. ninjewtsu posted:Also please explain to me what makes Girls Bravo a comedy with fanservice and what makes Kill la Kill a comedy with sexual humor Because when it's fanservice, there's an intended focus on being arousing with everything else being secondary.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:01
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It made me horny when the mom tied the chick up and slapped her butt, wickedhate, can you milk me?
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Dec 27, 2014 02:03
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Because why would you show that if you don't have to? What reason would there be? The only one I can think of is "to arouse the audience" i.e. this show is wank material (also there are totally shows with plenty of upskirts with a similar "realistic" style. In fact, shows with a comical style like KlK I'm pretty sure are the exception. Nichibros' artstyle isn't very far removed from "generic anime" dude, and there's nothing more generic anime art than ecchi harem shows) Ok so what if the intended purpose is to be arousing, but that's a secondary purpose? Does that suddenly make it ok to include scenes that are meant to be arousing? Are those somehow ~totally not real fanservice~? How do you know that the fanservice in KlK wasn't primarily there to arouse, with the secondary purpose of sending a message? By what metric have you decided this?
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Dec 27, 2014 02:08
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ninjewtsu posted:How do you know that the fanservice in KlK wasn't primarily there to arouse, with the secondary purpose of sending a message? By what metric have you decided this? It just doesn't seem portrayed that way at all.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:10
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I guess that's kind of subjective then. I don't really want to go back and dig up skeevy gifs but it absolutely felt like the intended purpose was "fanservice first, message second" to me I still don't see why "message first, fanservice close second" is excusable either, anyway
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Dec 27, 2014 02:16
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I enjoyed KLK for what it was, and I found the fanservice tolerable for the most part. I feel that the fanservice was less "satire", but more of a homage to Go Nagai poo poo and '70's exploitation movies. TL;DR shut up WickedHate
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Dec 27, 2014 02:18
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ninjewtsu posted:I still don't see why "message first, fanservice close second" is excusable either, anyway
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Dec 27, 2014 02:18
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Lol did we even watch the same show Again, why would they unnecessarily show Ryuko naked in those dad and co peep on Ryuko scenes, if the purpose was not to arouse? ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Dec 27, 2014 02:23
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"It was shown, therefore it was meant to get dicks hard" is a bad argument. It has a lot more to do with how it's portrayed. For instance, early Dragon Ball showed Bulma's underwear, but Toriyama wasn't trying to appeal to pervs.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:27
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When you are talking about a naked teenaged girl it kind of defaults to "it's there to get dicks hard" unless there's a really, really good other reason
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Dec 27, 2014 02:29
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ninjewtsu posted:Lol did we even watch the same show Yeah, those scenes were dumb, but they disappeared by episode 7 or so. Oh, and shut up WickedHate.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:29
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The later in the show you go, the closer you get to the creepy incest rape cage though
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Dec 27, 2014 02:32
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Now the stuff with Ragyo was definitely not meant to be arousing. It was clearly just supposed to be frightening and show what Satsuki was going through and trying to overcome.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:36
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Let's just say that the incest spank cage was disturbing to a point that was simply unenjoyable to watch. I don't even want to touch that potential conversation
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Dec 27, 2014 02:38
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You're making it sound way worse then it was. It wasn't Cross Ange or anything remotely like that.
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Oncce you have introduced the Incest Element there is no going back dude
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Dec 27, 2014 02:41
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That's really silly. You can't assume that just because a story has a parent abusing a child sexually it's supposed to be for the audience to get off to.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:44
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ninjewtsu posted:The later in the show you go, the closer you get to the creepy incest rape cage though True, true. That was seriously unnecessary. WickedHate posted:Now the stuff with Ragyo was definitely not meant to be arousing. It was clearly just supposed to be frightening and show what Satsuki was going through and trying to overcome. I don't doubt this, put the execution was pretty bad, to say the least. I really liked Kill la Kill like you did, Wicked Hate, but you need to acknowledge its problematic aspects.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:45
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I didnt read any of these posts, either
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Equeen posted:I don't doubt this, put the execution was pretty bad, to say the least. It might have gone to far in showing the trauma Satsuki was going through. I don't know how it could have been portrayed better, though.
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Like I said, I don't even want to get into the arousal conversation there. I'm just talking about pure "that was really creepy and disturbing and just straight up not enjoyable to watch."WickedHate posted:It is, unironically, one of the best works of fiction in human history, and I'm not exaggerating at all. I can understand finding it unappealing or being repulsed by some elements of it, but shallow dismissal just sucks. Can we go back to this instead? Now I know you haven't seen Ping Pong, but gently caress it, lets even just say Attack on Titan. I like Attack on Titan. I wouldn't call it "one of the best works of fiction in human history" but I enjoy it plenty enough so lets start there. What makes Kill la Kill a better work of fiction than Attack on Titan? Like, lets not even get into books or movies or anything, just even within anime. I want to hear what makes Kill la Kill The Best
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Dec 27, 2014 02:49
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Can we just skip to the part where he gets a new red title with a picture of Ryuko's butt
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Dec 27, 2014 02:54
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ninjewtsu posted:Can we go back to this instead? Now I know you haven't seen Ping Pong, but gently caress it, lets even just say Attack on Titan. I like Attack on Titan. I wouldn't call it "one of the best works of fiction in human history" but I enjoy it plenty enough so lets start there. I, too, would like to hear this argument and it would probably be a better route than the current yes it is/no it isn't conversation about the bad touching.
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ninjewtsu posted:Like I said, I don't even want to get into the arousal conversation there. I'm just talking about pure "that was really creepy and disturbing and just straight up not enjoyable to watch." Good. I hate to draw this comparison because it was based on a real story, but it's like that book/movie The Girl Next Door. That's how that thing should be portrayed. Those scenes aren't there to be pleasurably enjoyed. ninjewtsu posted:What makes Kill la Kill a better work of fiction than Attack on Titan? Like, lets not even get into books or movies or anything, just even within anime. I want to hear what makes Kill la Kill The Best I said it wasn't for everyone. I just think you have the wrong idea about it. Rodyle posted:Can we just skip to the part where he gets a new red title with a picture of Ryuko's butt I'm not a guy.
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I've been spending this whole discussion wondering if that show with the "front-tail penguins" was this year. (It's Daimidaler.)
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Ok but why do you think it is the best The idea that someone would enjoy Kill la Kill that much is a confusing and foreign idea to me. I'm interested in hearing why you believe that
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If I had absolutely no idea about what Kill la Kill entails, the current line of discussion would make me not want to watch it because regardless of the intentions of the fanservice, that's all that's being talked about. Surely the greatest work of fiction would have a little more meat to it then that?
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quote:13:30 - far shot of satsuki hanging in the cage
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ninjewtsu posted:Ok but why do you think it is the best I prefer KlK cause its' less of a shitshow animation wise, doesn't slow down for a minute and also is actually finished. Edit: tho that only thing anyone would really need to say is "Mako."
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ninjewtsu posted:Ok but why do you think it is the best It makes absolutely incredible use of it's limited budget that practically turns it into an entirely new form of art, it's characters are extremely well written and fun, the jokes are funny, the action is great. It's just really well made on nearly all levels.
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Kill la Kill was a blast to watch. The end.
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ninjewtsu posted:Ok but why do you think it is the best I have had conversations with people who have only ever been moved to tears by Madoka Magica, so I can believe that WH is serious sadly.
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WickedHate posted:It makes absolutely incredible use of it's limited budget that practically turns it into an entirely new form of art, it's characters are extremely well written and fun, the jokes are funny, the action is great. It's just really well made on nearly all levels. While I'm not saying I speak for ninjewtsu I get the impression he'd like to hear something that delves a little deeper than that. Most of those praises are really generic outside of that comment about the animation y'know? (and there have been plenty of shows that go a long way with a limited budget and/or time as well, what sets this apart from those?) e: to name a few random shows that I could say those exact same lines about; Ping Pong, Eva, etc. Srice fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Rodyle posted:I have had conversations with people who have only ever been moved to tears by Madoka Magica, so I can believe that WH is serious sadly. Hey, it was Madoka AND Final Fantasy 7.
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lol ok Can WickedHate's redtext be "practically turns it into an entirely new form of art" under Ryuko's butt Srice posted:While I'm not saying I speak for ninjewtsu I get the impression he'd like to hear something that delves a little deeper than that. Most of those praises are really generic outside of that comment about the animation y'know? (and there have been plenty of shows that go a long way with a limited budget and/or time as well, what sets this apart from those?) Yeah basically. I was thinking it'd be more than two sentences, both of which can be easily summed up as "it's just good, alright?" I mean when you express a sentiment like "It is, unironically, one of the best works of fiction in human history, and I'm not exaggerating at all." I'd hope you'd have some real substance to show for it
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"Dig Deep and Defend Your Love For This Thing We Don't Like WickedHate, Only the Longest Dissertation Will Do" Or just let him like what he likes, who cares
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