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Anidav posted:Must suck to be PR for an Asian airline in 2014. Malaysian airline e: would you take that job?
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Dec 28, 2014 05:41
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T-1000 posted:I'd like to believe this but I don't. The major parties do their best to make elections about personality and popularity rather than policy. If all the info they're going to give us is that they're honest people of good ethics, that's something they should be tested on. We can't judge them on their words (since their words are worthless) so we have to judge them on their deeds. T-1000 posted:And if they're a public figure, that includes their private life to some extent, if only in broad strokes. We're electing representatives partly to make value judgements on things on our behalf and hypocrisy completely undermines what little trust we have in them as people. It's like the head of the game council being charged with illegal hunting, or the saga of Troy Buswell, or all the shenannigans with Abbott's daughter getting a scholarship; if a representative's personal conduct isn't to an adequate character standard, they shouldn't be trusted with the job. Otherwise the entire institution is degraded. Bomb-Bunny posted:It's not a question of the quality of the policy, but it goes to the intended outcome. A man who guts public education and sends his kids to private school probably believes in universal private education, or at least making it more ubiquitous than it is. A man who does the same whilst his kids are in a selective state school cares enough to look like he supports public education, so either he's being duplicitous about his desired outcome, or he desires something different.
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Dec 28, 2014 05:48
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open24hours posted:A man who guts public education is gutting public education irrespective of where his kids go to school. So you have a big old fight with him about where you cheer the public system and lose, because aspirational voters are deserting the public system (I know, I teach where their kids wind up). When you could turn around and say "why did you choose to opt out? Is public education not part of your vision for the future of our system". There's a way to justify anything if all that's defending it is singular appeal to the inherent good of the thing being attacked, if you leave individual's ideas, seen in their choices, off the table. EDIT: Re-reading your posts I think we're not so far apart. I do agree that personal morality is off the table, and I don't think that anyone should be forced to reveal personal details as though you had something to hide if you didn't. Politicians who don't reveal personal information aren't some kind of suspect class. I disagree that it's irrelevant because often those decisions are motivated by ideology, and aspiring to private health or education is ideological, as is expecting others to do the same and work towards those ends. If you don't want to talk choosing your kids school you don't have to, and I don't want to judge people for a commitment to family privacy, but that doesn't remove the ideology of that choice. It shouldn't have to be revealed, but it is political. open24hours posted:This isn't much of a trump card. If anything, it would probably reinforce the views of the aspirational people deserting the public system. I'm not looking for a trump card, if he wins, he wins, we all have to suffer that in a democracy. Politicians should commit to all their ideology, not be skirted on the easily skipped bits because they're more personal. The most passionate ideology is local. Bomb-Bunny fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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Dec 28, 2014 05:58
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open24hours posted:A man who guts public education is gutting public education irrespective of where his kids go to school. This is true but they are so irresistibly effective and the political class so irredeemably mercenary that I can't see that a hard line here is sustainable. At least we haven't plumbed the depths of obliquely funded attack ads based on twisted half (and less) truths, there is still a sense that there is blowback for those who go beyond the pale. Here's an interesting thought; if this happens and you stay quiet you are right. However if you do use it you will actually have a positive influence on the general level of political discourse.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:09
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Bomb-Bunny posted:So you have a big old fight with him about where you cheer the public system and lose, because aspirational voters are deserting the public system (I know, I teach where their kids wind up). When you could turn around and say "why did you choose to opt out? Is public education not part of your vision for the future of our system". There's a way to justify anything if all that's defending it is singular appeal to the inherent good of the thing being attacked, if you leave individual's ideas, seen in their choices, off the table. This isn't much of a trump card. If anything, it would probably reinforce the views of the aspirational people deserting the public system.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:14
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JBP Jr. has been popping up for years connected to different places and parties. I think his name is pretty much electorate whack-a-mole.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:21
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I don't think Palmer's pool of money could get him over the line. Joh's legacy has been almost buried in comparison to the charisma Beattie left in people's hearts. All QLD Politicians suck rear end but I hear Beattie way more and the only time Joh is ever brought up is in conversation pieces about Police corruption or comedy sketches. EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eKk2bsK08 
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Dec 28, 2014 06:26
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Anidav posted:I don't think Palmer's pool of money could get him over the line. Joh's legacy has been almost buried in comparison to the charisma Beattie left in people's hearts. Don't you worry about that.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:35
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CrazyTolradi posted:Post-Christmas/Boxing Day Brisgoon Meet Can we get a head count on this?
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Dec 28, 2014 06:43
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Probably me provided I don't get hanged.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:48
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ASIC v Danny Bro posted:Can we get a head count on this? IDEK. Going off last time's numbers, 10-14. Depends on how many people are away for christmas/new years.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:53
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Anidav posted:Probably me provided I don't get hanged. Harangued. They said you'd be harangued.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:54
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Anidav posted:I don't think Palmer's pool of money could get him over the line. Joh's legacy has been almost buried in comparison to the charisma Beattie left in people's hearts. They're all the same, these different people. Moralitygate: some pretty stupid arguments here. Is it too hard to grasp that if you use morality as a means to reinforce your power imbalance, it's going to be challenged? If you're going to trumpet group morality as an ideology, you're going to look silly when you try to make individual exceptions. It doesn't matter how it is, it's about how it looks. Yes, it's unfair, get over it. The genie's been out of the bottle for decades and no amount of should will change it. Practically, politics involves blackmail and nuclear-option threats on all sides; sooner or later someone will run out of weapons and set off world war three. If it wasn't for our robust defamation law, there would be a lot more blood on the carpet and a surprisingly less hypocritical debate. But the hypocrisy is still there and is not forgotten.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:56
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Lizard Combatant posted:Harangued. They said you'd be harangued. Can't I have one night without being lectured? Being unemployed for being in Brisbane is enough of a toll on my self-esteem, thanks.
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Dec 28, 2014 07:23
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open24hours posted:Whether someone sends their children to private school has no bearing on the quality of the education they receive.
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Dec 28, 2014 07:41
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Anidav posted:Can't I have one night without being lectured? Being unemployed for being in Brisbane is enough of a toll on my self-esteem, thanks. You know what's bad for self esteem? Being a child locked in detention.
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Dec 28, 2014 07:52
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You should write to Canberra about it, not make some random idiot paranoid about going to some dinner.
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Dec 28, 2014 08:24
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Anidav posted:You should write to Canberra about it, not make some random idiot paranoid about going to some dinner. What if I wrote to Canberra and made idiots there feel paranoid about eating dinner?
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Dec 28, 2014 08:28
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Gorilla Salad posted:More on the raw milk saga. Thankfully it's good news if you into children not being fed toxic poo poo by their ignorant parents. Something had to be done, its probably not the best way to do it though because now there'll be a heap of totally unregulated farmgate sales of unpasteurisd milk at weird hippy BD/organic dairies of which there are plenty. They'd have been better off allowing people to drink or make yoghurt out of raw milk as long as each batch underwent a battery of tests for microbial contamination.
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Dec 28, 2014 08:44
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We have arrived at jackpot. Cartoon is here 
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Dec 28, 2014 08:56
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Mithranderp posted:We have arrived at jackpot. Cartoon is here Tell Cartoon I am sad I can not meet him to get ideas for my parents' own composting toilet setup. They are so far the only people I've explained The Grid to who have not responded with "Ew why would you want to do that" but with "You know, that sounds like a good idea for an upgrade".
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Dec 28, 2014 09:07
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An upgrade from what??
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Dec 28, 2014 09:08
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Palmersaurus posted:An upgrade from what?? To be honest I didn't dare to ask what their current setup is... e: though last I checked it was literally a hole in the ground with a big ol' bucket of "toilet mulch" next to the seat.
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Dec 28, 2014 09:09
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Palmersaurus posted:An upgrade from what?? Just laying it down on the lawn in a random haphazard fashion.
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Dec 28, 2014 09:10
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Palmersaurus posted:An upgrade from what?? Buddhist spiral path. Very zen but it can't hope to match the efficiency of The Grid.
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Dec 28, 2014 09:22
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This thread needs more friendlyjordies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-tF6JTSPDc
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Dec 28, 2014 09:23
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There's a Gina Reinhardt biopic?! What the gently caress?! If this paints her in anything resembling a sympathetic light I'm going to poo poo on my local 9 production office's step everyday for a year.
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Dec 28, 2014 09:32
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Lizard Combatant posted:There's a Gina Reinhardt biopic?! What the gently caress?! If this paints her in anything resembling a sympathetic light I'm going to poo poo on my local 9 production office's step everyday for a year. Of course it will, because otherwise it would've been sued into nonexistence.
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Dec 28, 2014 09:37
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Ler posted:This thread needs more friendlyjordies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-tF6JTSPDc I unironically would go to Falls if I could grow a mo that could talk. Lizard Combatant posted:There's a Gina Reinhardt biopic?! What the gently caress?! If this paints her in anything resembling a sympathetic light I'm going to poo poo on my local 9 production office's step everyday for a year. Free to air Grid
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Dec 28, 2014 09:39
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Anidav posted:Probably me provided I don't get hanged. It's 7 pm and no Anidav.
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Dec 28, 2014 10:08
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I'm too scared now. Enjoy your dinner.
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Dec 28, 2014 10:16
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Anidav, everyone mocks the "change from within!!!" cry, but goons are generally a friendly bunch. You should give a goonmeet a try.
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Dec 28, 2014 10:32
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I've been to plenty. I just don't want to go to the current ones because everyone thinks I'm an evil shitposter who locks up brown children, enjoys exploitative employers and high fives Kevin Rudd on a daily basis. I would rather silently improve myself then show up to one when I've sorted out all my problems that I post about.
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Dec 28, 2014 10:39
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Anidav posted:I've been to plenty. I just don't want to go to the current ones because everyone thinks I'm an evil shitposter who locks up brown children, enjoys exploitative employers and high fives Kevin Rudd on a daily basis. I would rather silently improve myself then show up to one when I've sorted out all my problems that I post about. Dude. you're totally welcome, and if you don't Fruity Gordo will kill you Irl.
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Dec 28, 2014 11:28
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Anidav posted:I would rather silently improve myself then show up to one when I've sorted out all my problems that I post about. To be fair though, some of the recent posts containing personal attacks is drawing parallels with radicalisation of individuals. It might feel good at the time throwing down truthbombs but just remember that we're no longer just faceless goons on here.
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Dec 28, 2014 11:29
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No duck? What is this.  See you next time goons! Make sure to post when we are goin for another outing.
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Dec 28, 2014 11:38
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Yeah, the rest of Australia would be laughing. Bananas and Rum alone won't save the state's economy.
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Dec 28, 2014 11:40
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Nuclear Spy posted:Change from within. By the way, I will offer to pay for your Greens membership if you sign up before the Queensland state election and hand out for the Greens on polling day. It's tough, I promised Kate Jones in person to help out and since telling people that I feel like resigning, I get phone calls checking on me on a by-daily basis. I want to quit but I am not sure I want to run into the arms of any other political party afterwards. I would rather get a job that loves me first, then I can build up the confidence and youthful spark again which made me join the ALP in the first place.
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Systematic posted:Bananas and Rum alone won't save the state's economy. After numerous simulations in Tropico, I can confirm that you are wrong.
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