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Fulchrum posted:
Maybe he just couldn't imagine anyone LIKING those plans.
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VideoTapir posted:Maybe he just couldn't imagine anyone LIKING those plans. What if I LIKE getting kicked in the dick?
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Some moron I used to work with in retail posted this gem.  "All we did was deprive the terrorists of sleep, that's not as bad as this made up thing we're accusing you of!" ed: poo poo forgot to anon that. Also, did I miss that one in your posts Fulcrum? hamster_style fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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hamster_style posted:Some moron I used to work with in retail posted this gem. Really? Someone felt it necessary to crop the watermark out of an LL101?
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Fulchrum posted:Really? Someone felt it necessary to crop the watermark out of an LL101? I think Facebook crops most images until you click them.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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This isn't politics, this is business. If you're going to build a business around political ideas that don't have a shred of originality, you need people to visit YOUR website instead of any of the others that are selling IMPEACH BENGHAZI bumper stickers.
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nsaP posted:https://www.facebook.com/BreakingObama/photos/a.412167168831085.85751.412164878831314/768584536522678/?type=1&theater I clicked through a few of these because I hate myself and it does not get better. The most egregious poo poo before I gave up was saying Mike Brown was armed.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:This isn't politics, this is business. If you're going to build a business around political ideas that don't have a shred of originality, you need people to visit YOUR website instead of any of the others that are selling IMPEACH BENGHAZI bumper stickers. Come to my blog where I reveal the TRUTH
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IslamoNazi posted:I clicked through a few of these because I hate myself and it does not get better. The most egregious poo poo before I gave up was saying Mike Brown was armed. "Blackness be my sword" he cried as he came to slay our dashing hero, Darren Wilson...
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iajanus posted:Can't find the other thread, but can anyone give me a succinct rundown of why this article is retarded (link link link) ? All the super-Christian people on my facebook feed are trumpeting it and it'd be nice to have some simple ways to shoot it down. I'm on my phone so can't do too much reading/linking myself (yay Christmas holidays!). I'm not an expert on this by any means and can't speak to specifics, but (aside from the criticisms of this article's fundamental assumptions which others have pointed out), I'm guessing the whole "it's mathematically impossible for Earth-like planets to naturally occur!" trope could be thrown out the window very easily with some of the findings of SETI programs in the past decade or so. From what I understand it was once assumed that planets formed around stars only in rare circumstances but recent findings indicate they may actually be the norm, they're just very hard to see. This is also assuming that the criteria the article claims Sagan and others laid out as 100% necessary for the formation of life aren't being misrepresented or simply outmoded. That rebuttal would require a very specific investigation into the claims.
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Boywhiz88 posted:Just to at least show that it's OK to speak out even as an officer. quote:[...] Schoolcraft recorded conversations at the 81st Precinct police station, responsible for the Bedford–Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York City. Schoolcraft amassed a set of tapes which, in his view, demonstrated corruption and abuse. The tapes include conversations related to the issues of arrest quotas and investigations. Schoolcraft says an overemphasis on arrests leads to wrongful arrests and bad police work.
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Oh I know, that's part of why I specified a group of officers. The individuals get chewed up very easily.
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Spatial posted:Yeah, good luck with that. Some choice excerpts for those who haven't heard of Adrian Schoolcraft: Jesus Christ.
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Brawnfire posted:Jesus Christ. It's covered in the second half of this TAL episode if you're in the mood to get angry. http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent
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I had never heard of that until you posted it. Holy poo poo. FtP.
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Cognac McCarthy posted:article with fine tuning argument If some physical constants were different we wouldn't be here. True. But it's just a tautology dressed in scientific language. Consider the same logic on a smaller scale: me. If my parents weren't fertile I wouldn't exist. Considering I do, though, I'm not terribly surprised a necessary precondition for my existence was met. There's no other possible outcome I could experience. The puddle of rainwater thought to itself: "Wow, this pothole fits me precisely. It must have been made to have me in it!" Another rhetorical trick in the article is equivocating low probability with zero probability - the difference between possible and impossible is thrown away as irrelevant. True, as you multiply the probabilities down by each confounding factor you'll get a pretty small number, but it will never be zero. And that's all it takes: improbable things happen. Something being unlikely doesn't mean it won't happen, it means given enough chances it will happen. It's a staggeringly ancient and massive universe, and we only had to happen once.
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TerminalSaint posted:It's covered in the second half of this TAL episode if you're in the mood to get angry. I don't know if I can handle it. These bitches in blue have been making my blood pressure spike. I mean, they freaked out at the use of the word "alleged" for the guy who killed the two cops. That's... loving petulant as all poo poo.
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Boywhiz88 posted:Hahaha, fuuuuck no. I mean, not in the capacity that they would have their gun, etc. I'm being tongue-in-cheek. I do wish there was a group of policemen, specifically NYPD, that would make it public that they're unhappy with some of the same things as us such as accountability, use of force, recording encounters, etc. Just to at least show that it's OK to speak out even as an officer. But that will never happen and that Serpico editorial I read in another thread bummed me out. (May have been this thread, I read about 7 threads in D&D and they're mostly about police reform right now) This isn't really an organized protest, but several New York black cops have come forward to talk about how they have been profiled while out of uniform. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/23/us-usa-police-nypd-race-insight-idUSKBN0K11EV20141223
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Spatial posted:That article would be a real beauty for a critical thinking class. The level of weaseling is incredible. The other problem with trying to calculate the odds of life working if we change physical constants is that even if life as we know it wouldn't work, its perfectly possible that some other type of life wouldn't arise instead. You see the same thing when creationist talk about evolution. They talk about how low the odds of humans evolving is, instead of the more impotent question, which is, what are the odds of any lifeform developing civilization be it human or not. Its like looking at a winning poker hand and asking what the odds were of you drew those exact cards in that exact order, instead of asking what are the odds you drew a hand that was better then your opponents. If calculate the odds of just about any specific enough outcome after the fact you'll get a ridiculously low probability. But that number doesn't tell you anything useful. Vorpal Cat fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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Spatial posted:Another rhetorical trick in the article is equivocating low probability with zero probability - the difference between possible and impossible is thrown away as irrelevant. True, as you multiply the probabilities down by each confounding factor you'll get a pretty small number, but it will never be zero. And that's all it takes: improbable things happen. Something being unlikely doesn't mean it won't happen, it means given enough chances it will happen. It's a staggeringly ancient and massive universe, and we only had to happen once. This is especially problematic with anything relating to human existence, because of course, you weren't there for the bajillion times it didn't work out. It's the ultimate selection bias.
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Spatial posted:Another rhetorical trick in the article is equivocating low probability with zero probability - the difference between possible and impossible is thrown away as irrelevant. True, as you multiply the probabilities down by each confounding factor you'll get a pretty small number, but it will never be zero. And that's all it takes: improbable things happen. Something being unlikely doesn't mean it won't happen, it means given enough chances it will happen. It's a staggeringly ancient and massive universe, and we only had to happen once. I think another issue that a lot of the YEC crowd run into stems from the believe that the Earth is, in fact, only 10,000 years old. These people discard all sorts of science but also fail to understand things like infinite space and infinite time. Yeah life as we know it on Earth has a ridiculously tiny chance to exist in any particular randomly chosen location in space and time. However, with infinite space and infinite time available all things that are possible, no matter how improbable, are guaranteed to happen somewhere. Which, of course, means that if time and space are in fact infinite there's also an infinite number of copies of Earth and everything on it, as well as ones with variations, out there somewhere and somewhen. Granted that depends on how infinite everything is.
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Vorpal Cat posted:The other problem with trying to calculate the odds of life working if we change physical constants is that even if life as we know it wouldn't work, its perfectly possible that some other type of life wouldn't arise instead. You see the same thing when creationist talk about evolution. They talk about how low the odds of humans evolving is, instead of the more impotent question, which is, what are the odds of any lifeform developing civilization be it human or not. Its like looking at a winning poker hand and asking what the odds were of you drew those exact cards in that exact order, instead of asking what are the odds you drew a hand that was better then your opponents. Yep, the odds of something happening after it has already happened aren't terribly relevant to anything. There's also a problem of misunderstanding probabilities and only putting importance on certain outcomes to try and make those seem less likely than other outcomes despite having the same odds. If you put a million dice in a bucket and then dumped them out whatever specific combination that comes up is just as likely as likely as rolling a million sixes. But most people would say that the million sixes was far, far less likely. Humans in general are just really bad at determining and understanding probability. The other issue is how they determined the probability of life occurring on earth. Their numbers and their criteria are complete horseshit pulled out of their collective asses. For example the habitable or "Goldilocks" zone around the Sun starts just beyond Venus and can extend well beyond Mars if a planet has sufficient greenhouse gasses to trap heat to allow for liquid water. But they make it seem like five feet closer and we'd all burst into flame and five feet farther we'd be a frozen wasteland, that the difference between our closest and farthest distance from the sun during our orbit is just over 5 million miles.
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Who What Now posted:Yep, the odds of something happening after it has already happened aren't terribly relevant to anything. There's also a problem of misunderstanding probabilities and only putting importance on certain outcomes to try and make those seem less likely than other outcomes despite having the same odds. If you put a million dice in a bucket and then dumped them out whatever specific combination that comes up is just as likely as likely as rolling a million sixes. But most people would say that the million sixes was far, far less likely. Humans in general are just really bad at determining and understanding probability. That has to do with how the human brain recognizes patterns. A million dice that aren't all sixes registers as just a million dice so it seems that a million sixes was less likely than the random pattern. Our brains look for patterns. That's just what it does. No discernible pattern is more likely than a discernible pattern so a million of the same number just seems less likely but really, you're right. It also has to do with how odd statistics actually works and how humans perceive it. If you roll four dice it's far more likely to get 100% sixes than a million dice. You can actually predict things pretty drat accurately with a massive sample size. Casinos bank on that, actually. If there is a 51% chance of the house winning the house might get dicked over on ten bets but is basically guaranteed to profit off of a billion bets. The Goldilocks zone is actually kind of a dumb theory in and of itself in some ways. People argue that that is the only place life can develop at all so we're lucky that Earth was where it is or that God decided to put it here for us but really, that's the zone where Earth life can happen. Life as we know it, right now, as it exists on Earth has pretty specific conditions but scientists have been dreaming up all sorts of strange conditions where life can possibly exist. It's theoretically possible, for example, for life based on arsenic and phosphorous to exist. I think that could also theoretically live on a ball of ice as well.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The Goldilocks zone is actually kind of a dumb theory in and of itself in some ways. People argue that that is the only place life can develop at all so we're lucky that Earth was where it is or that God decided to put it here for us but really, that's the zone where Earth life can happen. Life as we know it, right now, as it exists on Earth has pretty specific conditions but scientists have been dreaming up all sorts of strange conditions where life can possibly exist. It's theoretically possible, for example, for life based on arsenic and phosphorous to exist. I think that could also theoretically live on a ball of ice as well. Also even in our own solar systems we have over a dozen planets and moons large enough to support life, so it was pretty much inevitable that one of them would fall into the temperature range for liquid water.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That has to do with how the human brain recognizes patterns. A million dice that aren't all sixes registers as just a million dice so it seems that a million sixes was less likely than the random pattern. Our brains look for patterns. That's just what it does. No discernible pattern is more likely than a discernible pattern so a million of the same number just seems less likely but really, you're right. It also has to do with how odd statistics actually works and how humans perceive it. If you roll four dice it's far more likely to get 100% sixes than a million dice. You can actually predict things pretty drat accurately with a massive sample size. Casinos bank on that, actually. If there is a 51% chance of the house winning the house might get dicked over on ten bets but is basically guaranteed to profit off of a billion bets. Casinos are probably the best example there is that a majority of people are bad at probability. And besides and/or related to your point about us humans always looking for patterns is that we are also very susceptible to confirmation bias. People will always remember the dozen big wins they have and the tens of thousands of losses won't register or sometimes even be remembered. Casino's couldn't exist if everyone understood odds better. And yeah, the Goldilocks zone isn't terribly useful for determining life, but it's a regular talking point for Creationists. Creationists also probably wouldn't recognize non-carbon based and non-humanoid life as "real". But that's a matter of Creationists dishonesty and goal post shifting.
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Vorpal Cat posted:Also even in our own solar systems we have over a dozen planets and moons large enough to support life, so it was pretty much inevitable that one of them would fall into the temperature range for liquid water. It's a bit more complicated than that, because you need to have liquid water and enough of an atmosphere, and something that will block cosmic rays and solar flares. On the other hand, Kepler and others are constantly finding extrasolar planets, so the days of only knowing of life in one planet are numbered.
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Who What Now posted:Casinos are probably the best example there is that a majority of people are bad at probability. And besides and/or related to your point about us humans always looking for patterns is that we are also very susceptible to confirmation bias. People will always remember the dozen big wins they have and the tens of thousands of losses won't register or sometimes even be remembered. Casino's couldn't exist if everyone understood odds better. Well, that isn't entirely true. Let's be honest, gambling is fun. Even people that know the odds are stacked against them still gamble a bit because, you know, it's neat to dream about a big score and what you would do with millions of dollars. It's part of why the lottery still exists. Most people don't expect to win but chuck a few dollars at it from time to time because, well, why not? Same with Vegas; people know they aren't likely to win but it's exciting to think that you just might. It's like drugs; most people are not raging addicts that let it ruin their life. Creationists actually deny that life can possibly exist anywhere else. When we inevitably discover life somewhere else I kind of wonder how much of an explosion of bullshit is going to end up coming out of them. They seriously believe that God created life here and nowhere else. Hell I've even met YECs that believe that science is literally lying about finding extrasolar planets and that it's the influence of the devil leading them on to lead people away from The One True Faith.
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He'll, we think we've found life on Mars and one of the gas giants' moons. Neither are solid locks but both have some chemistry going on where life is a reasonable, even likely, culprit.
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Shbobdb posted:He'll, we think we've found life on Mars and one of the gas giants' moons. Neither are solid locks but both have some chemistry going on where life is a reasonable, even likely, culprit. I just heard a talk a few weeks ago about how complex proto biological organic molecules are dead common all over space. It's just a matter of time before we manage to eradicate an entirely novel form of life.
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Shbobdb posted:He'll, we think we've found life on Mars and one of the gas giants' moons. Neither are solid locks but both have some chemistry going on where life is a reasonable, even likely, culprit. Didn't both those turn out to be just contamination of the probe with biological matter from earth?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I just heard a talk a few weeks ago about how complex proto biological organic molecules are dead common all over space. It's just a matter of time before we manage to eradicate an entirely novel form of life. Heck, probably the only reason were not swimming in primordial soup and self replicating proteins here on earth is that most of them can't form in an oxygen rich environment. That and any that did form would be quickly eaten by an existing life form. The laws of physics seem to make life, or at least the precursors to life, not so much a possibility as an inevitability given the right environment and a little bit of time.
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Fulchrum posted:Didn't both those turn out to be just contamination of the probe with biological matter from earth? I hope that poo poo was sentient, probably didn't have a loving clue what was going on but I bet it thought it was tripping balls.
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My brother posted a link to this website on Facebook: BREAKING: Major Retail Chain Is FUNDING Al Sharpton’s Race War quote:I am quickly running out of places to shop. Target is closest to my house, but after they announced their anti-gun policy in response to liberal pressure groups, I’ve avoided them whenever possible. Jesus loving christ. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Instead of The Boy Who Cried Wolf, do we now have The Teabagger Who Cried
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Doctor Butts posted:My brother posted this on Facebook: Just be glad you don't have to live in their tortured mind. It'd be a shame if they found out amazon sells halal food products. pacerhimself fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Vorpal Cat posted:Heck, probably the only reason were not swimming in primordial soup and self replicating proteins here on earth is that most of them can't form in an oxygen rich environment. That and any that did form would be quickly eaten by an existing life form. Yeah, based on our current understanding of the universe and how life works there are guaranteed to be other forms of life out there in the universe, however space is big and has been around (and will be around) for a very long time, so while it's pretty much certain that there are forms of alien life somewhere out there the odds of them being near enough to us both in time and space that we ever find anything are much lower and the odds of them being anything we would recognize as intelligent are lower again. That said, if we ever do travel to other star systems odds are pretty solid we'll find lots of alien moss and plant analogues all over the galaxy. There might even be some weird proto-life on Europa.
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