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Travis343 posted:Thats pretty much it. Theres a few scattered loonies on Tumblr that are claiming that the new dub calling the main character Usagi instead of Serena is actually racist but for the most part everyone is overjoyed to finally get an uncut release of the show. Theres a few A/V nerds having nerd babies over some video quality issues that are literally imperceptible unless youre looking at a side by side still image comparison trying to see ghosting or whatever. Tumblr is amazing, what's the logic behind sticking to the Japanese name being racist? Something about cultural appropriation I imagine. The whole good guys can't kill thing was in the old anime as well though. Villains either get turned good, get killed by their co-workers or by their boss for having failed them for the last time, or self-destruct due to incredible incompetence. For Crystal I'm just gonna wait and see how they handle the Spectre Sisters but at this point it's probably going to take the same route, yeah.
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"Ugh, You-saggy just doesn't sound as pretty as Serena!"
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Dec 28, 2014 20:31
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I'm heavily paraphrasing here as the arguments one person gave are near-impenetrable in their ridiculously warped logic. But basically she feels that she absolutely cannot emotionally or intellectually connect with a fictional character who doesn't speak English and doesn't have an English name. Therefore, 90s English dub or nothing, and VIZ is oppressing her by erasing the "original" version of the series. The racism garbage is her accusing the series of being racist because a group of villains are called "Black Moon" and they didn't consider the English-language cultural implications of calling one villain "Black Lady." And yes, people pointed out that light/dark metaphors have existed for millennia.
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Dec 28, 2014 22:19
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Or, to put it absolutely short, Such clap was uttered on Tumblr.
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Dec 28, 2014 22:49
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ALFbrot posted:
She's my favorite character in Princess Jellyfish
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Dec 28, 2014 22:58
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I love the way the lines on that end in that perfect, rounded, default-line-draw-tool-in-Illustrator way
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Dec 28, 2014 23:06
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Travis343 posted:I love the way the lines on that end in that perfect, rounded, default-line-draw-tool-in-Illustrator way I feel like Illustrator should have a content-aware thing that says "Oh, no. Nooope." and makes you re-do your work after drawing something like that transformation pen
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Dec 28, 2014 23:15
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Its like when you see somebody using those default grass or leaf brushes that come with Photoshop and you immediately know you can safely ignore this person
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Travis343 posted:Thats pretty much it. Theres a few scattered loonies on Tumblr that are claiming that the new dub calling the main character Usagi instead of Serena is actually racist but for the most part everyone is overjoyed to finally get an uncut release of the show. Dopefish Lives! posted:I'm heavily paraphrasing here as the arguments one person gave are near-impenetrable in their ridiculously warped logic. But basically she feels that she absolutely cannot emotionally or intellectually connect with a fictional character who doesn't speak English and doesn't have an English name. Therefore, 90s English dub or nothing, and VIZ is oppressing her by erasing the "original" version of the series. For clarity, there's one person making these claims. Her name's "nangbaby" and she's both bananas and deeply unpleasant. She takes everything incredibly personally, including decisions made by people who don't even know she exists, stews on every slight disappointment in life until it becomes a gaping, festering wound in her soul, and constantly claims that she doesn't mind people disagreeing with her respectfully, but every time someone does disagree with her it doesn't meet her standards of "respect" and is "dehumanising" her. She apparently does not see the irony, given that the whole personal trauma that started her on this crusade was when she discovered that the character she loved on Sailor Moon, Amy Anderson, who is very smart and bookish and gets mocked for it a lot including by her supposed friends (nangbaby identified with this, although reading what she writes makes it clear that she's actually not all that smart), was originally created as Ami Mizuno, and is never actually mocked for being smart or bookish. In fact people are in awe of her intelligence and some people make a false assumption that she's stuck up because of it (when in fact she's shy and feels that her intelligence is her only good point). Ami came from a different culture, her name was pronounced slightly differently from "Amy," and therefore the empathy that nangbaby felt for her was DESTROYED AT A STROKE and it BROKE HER HEART and she felt ROBBED and yeah, CRUSADE. And she just can't understand why other people can't see that it's impossible to empathise with a character from a different culture and there's nothing racist about that. But Naoko Takeuchi "hates black people" because she used the words "black" and "white" for MOONS. And nangbaby will take literally any instance of someone who only ever saw the DiC/Cloverway American English dubs in childhood casually referring to the heroes as "Sailor Scouts" and using dub names like Serena, Amy, Raye, Lita and Mina as unassailable evidence that there are lots of people all over the internet who feel just the way she does. This is what may have given the impression that there are "a few scattered loonies" making these claims. There is one loony and she's plenty scattered enough on her own. She also accused (through a sockpuppet anon) the popular Sailor Moon tumblr-er Jet Wolf of "silencing her apology" because Jet Wolf, who doesn't follow nangbaby's tumblr and tries to avoid her at all costs, hadn't reblogged it and, I guess, said that all was forgiven and she had been wrong to ever disagree with nangbaby in the first place? I was intrigued when I saw this and went digging through nangbaby's blog for anything remotely resembling an apology, and found only a bizarre rant of self-justification/martyrdom containing phrases like "I'm sorry I tried to empathise." Sorry. You see here the fruits of my horrified fascination with a total dingbat. It's amazing how ill-informed a lot of Sailor Moon fans on tumblr are in general. It's been well publicised for months that Sailor Moon Crystal will only cover the first two plot arcs, and obvious from the sloppy production that TOEI has rushed out that they don't care enough about it to renew it, but posts speculating about how the Outer Senshi and even the Sailor Starlights may be handled by Crystal still abound. I also read one post suggesting that instead of casting English-speaking actors to record the new dub, they should "just" get the original Japanese voice cast to record it in English. Which would be totally practical, given that none of the original cast speak fluent English, some of them are retired/semi-retired from acting, and at least one of them (the actress who voiced Seiya/Sailor Star Fighter) is dead.
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Thanks, yeah that's who I was thinking of. Though I stand by my "loonies" comment, given that it's Tumblr there has got to be at least one other person that agrees with her. e: It's also worth mentioning that Tumblr loving loves Crystal, and was legit sobbing oh my god the feels I can't even when the Shitennou got offed and the girls spent 2 whole seconds weeping over their dead boyfurendos.
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Dec 28, 2014 23:58
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Hahaha tumblr is a wasteland of morons.
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Dec 29, 2014 00:29
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:I notice that the reboot of this anime is mired in 'controversy' and lots of whiny grognardery from people. Can anyone fill me in on why people are mad about things like 'censorship' and someone changing Usagi's name to Serena? I remember her name being Serena in the original run, so why all the hubub? I'm enjoying Crystal, but wow is it getting a mixed reception. I think it's some bullshit cultural identity touchstone thing - liking Crystal means retroactively enjoying your childhood less or whatever.
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Dove from Above posted:Sailor Moon tumblr-er Jet Wolf of Holy poo poo I recognize that name from when I was a kid. Tumblr-er is not the word I would leap to, she's been around for nearly twenty years.
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Dec 29, 2014 01:56
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neongrey posted:Holy poo poo I recognize that name from when I was a kid. Tumblr-er is not the word I would leap to, she's been around for nearly twenty years. Yes, absolutely, going back to dinosaur times when people had character shrines on GeoCities and bought VHS fansubs from VKLL, but she's currently most active on Tumblr. Travis343 posted:Thanks, yeah that's who I was thinking of. Tumblr is sharply divided between people who love Crystal uncritically and people who are bitterly disappointed by it, with very few vocal people in between. The trouble is that in both camps there are too many people who feel they've got to yell at the other camp for feeling the way they do, rather than figuring "Well I don't enjoy it but it's nice for them that they do" or "It's okay if they don't like it, that doesn't take anything away from my enjoyment." So it all turns into a middle-school-level fight in which everyone attacks everyone else's personality, tastes and perceived loyalties. The ones who irk me the most are those who insist that everyone would like Crystal if they only read the manga and understood it's like the manga, mangamangamanga (bzzt, untrue, I have read the manga from stem to stern and I think Crystal is rubbish).
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Dove from Above posted:Yes, absolutely, going back to dinosaur times when people had character shrines on GeoCities and bought VHS fansubs from VKLL, but she's currently most active on Tumblr. Thanks for visiting my site. Sign my guestbook and check out other Minako-chan shrines in my webring! *clicks on visitor counter*
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:Thanks for visiting my site. Sign my guestbook and check out other Minako-chan shrines in my webring! I'm totally not ashamed to admit that I totally had a Makoto fansite back in the day.  But I used Angelfire, not Geocities. I wish I could remember the name of the page. I would love to see if it's somehow managed to survive this long.
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a cartoon duck posted:The whole good guys can't kill thing was in the old anime as well though. Villains either get turned good, get killed by their co-workers or by their boss for having failed them for the last time, or self-destruct due to incredible incompetence. Kunzite was killed in the original anime by Sailor Moon reflecting his own energy blades at him though. I mean I guess technically she didn't use one of her own attacks against him but she still basically killed him.
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Dexie posted:I'm totally not ashamed to admit that I totally had a Makoto fansite back in the day. Hah, I think Angelfire was the worst with poo poo falling out of existance, them and Tripod both had that issue(I think that was the name of it). I wouldn't be surprised if some of those 1990s fanpages are still slinking around, though.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Kunzite was killed in the original anime by Sailor Moon reflecting his own energy blades at him though. I mean I guess technically she didn't use one of her own attacks against him but she still basically killed him. And the last of the Witches 5 was killed by tricking them into shooting each other. Technicalities are nice like that. Actually wasn't Esmeraude killed after she turned into a dragon? I guess turning into a monster is also a loophole and lets you actually use your own attacks. Mostly though I just love how at the end of R they still had three of the Witches 5 left so they all completely self-destructed in the dumbest ways while still being portrayed as more competent than Eudial and Mimet.
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RMZXAnarchy posted:Hah, I think Angelfire was the worst with poo poo falling out of existance, them and Tripod both had that issue(I think that was the name of it). There's like an early 2000s Tripod site dedicated to Hao from Shaman King's pants that's still up. I know this because it was the oddest fansite I had ever been to.
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Waffleman_ posted:There's like an early 2000s Tripod site dedicated to Hao from Shaman King's pants that's still up. I know this because it was the oddest fansite I had ever been to. To be fair, Hao did have some bitching pants.
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Dove from Above posted:The ones who irk me the most are those who insist that everyone would like Crystal if they only read the manga and understood it's like the manga, mangamangamanga (bzzt, untrue, I have read the manga from stem to stern and I think Crystal is rubbish). You're not alone. I'm most familiar with the manga and enjoy it, and Crystal has been nothing but a disappointment to me.
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I can accept the sparser character development in the manga, but I thought the reimagined anime would take more time to focus on the Senshi. Being more faithful to the manga made me think of no demon tree poo poo, slightly different personalities for the main cast, quite a bit of difference in the overall story, etc. Instead it's basically one manga issue per episode, which I think was a very bad idea.
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Travis343 posted:The demon tree stuff was really good though. Exactly, it was awesome. Total filler, only exists because Naoko Takeuchi needed more time to come up with her second plot arc, plus the anime had given everyone a memory wipe at the end of the first season for a neat and tidy ending if they didn't get another season. And it has a lot of the best character and relationship development in the show. Then they joined up with the manga plot again, but for some terrible reason introduced the whole "Mamoru breaks up with Usagi because he had a scary dream and won't even tell her why, then later it turns out that was only his future self psychically dicking with him" complication. I did not need that. Nobody needed that. One of the best drat parts of the Doom Tree mini-arc is that it brings Usagi and Mamoru back together, and Mamoru falls in love with Usagi again without knowing anything about the whole past lives deal. So we know that he loves her, and is acting of his own free will, rather than being bound to repeat the pattern of Endymion's life. I love that. And then they go and screw the pooch by having him dump her because of an alarming yet vague premonition, without showing her the respect of levelling with her and letting her decide for herself whether she was willing to take the risk. The only good thing about that mess was the time she wore a beard of tears.  That's quality animation right there. (Also love the height difference between Ami and Makoto.)
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I like crystal, I just wish for more you know? I want to see the characters develop. Also, I finished Revolutionary Girl Utena. drat.
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Dove from Above posted:letting her decide for herself whether she was willing to take the risk. I agree it's a lovely thing to do. On the other hand, she's 14. 
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I sorta like Crystal, I just wish Toei gave a gently caress about the show instead of not caring and giving us terrible animation. Also I wish there was more character development. But really, that's secondary to the animation. At least the music and voice acting are phenomenal.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I sorta like Crystal, I just wish Toei gave a gently caress about the show instead of not caring and giving us terrible animation. They won't. But they really do.
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Did the manga ever have Mamoru turn into the a-rab? I can't remember the name but he looked like he fell out of a pulp 99 Nights book. I wonder if Crystal will do this.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:Did the manga ever have Mamoru turn into the a-rab? I can't remember the name but he looked like he fell out of a pulp 99 Nights book. I wonder if Crystal will do this. The Moonlight Knight was an amazing anime fever dream.
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Truga posted:I agree it's a lovely thing to do. On the other hand, she's 14. She already died and saved the world and came back once, then she saved the world again without needing to die, and I guess the R movie doesn't come along until later in continuity because Chibs is in it but Mamoru and Usagi are also definitely together... I'm just saying he could have a little more faith in her resilience by this point. PRESIDENT GOKU posted:Did the manga ever have Mamoru turn into the a-rab? I can't remember the name but he looked like he fell out of a pulp 99 Nights book. I wonder if Crystal will do this. The Moonlight Knight was anime-only, because it was part of that Doom Tree mini-arc at the start of R. He's actually inspired by an earlier Japanese superhero whose name I can't remember right now - but he had the same gimmick of Arab-esque white clothing and a name with a moon or moonlight reference in it, and had a cheesy fun live-action TV show. It's basically like if an American guy unconsciously created a psychic projection of himself inspired by Adam West's Batman. Ah! I found the reference: Moonlight Mask. Isn't that absolutely delightful? I just want us all to bask in the radiance of what a tremendous dork Mamoru is.
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ConanThe3rd posted:I forget the exact details but wasn't Moonlight Night his sorta Stand/Persona thingy or some such nonsense? I wanna say that it sorta appeared out of his subconscious while he was asleep, but there's a very high chance I'm making that up.
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SystemLogoff posted:Also, I finished Revolutionary Girl Utena. Excellent, Utena is friggin' great... Did you see the movie too?
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XboxPants posted:I wanna say that it sorta appeared out of his subconscious while he was asleep, but there's a very high chance I'm making that up. Sort of, it's a separate entity he created subconsciously but it would show up all the time. Moonlight Knight could be in the same place as Mamoru and he had no idea what he was doing. Usagi of course assumed the Moonlight Knight was Mamoru and was baffled when MK showed up and saved her and Mamo-chan when they were playing laser tag.
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Well, I think we reached a new low on characters actually moving on-screen. RIP the tiny rest of the animation budget, can't wait for the Black Moon arc.
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Toei have shown they can and will gently caress with the story so I'm in no mood to back them up with "This is how it happened in the manga!" anymore.
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