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my dad posted:That one is just trippy. Also love this one. Listened to it dozens of times in the last few days.
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The_Raven posted:Isn't this how Lee Harvey Oswald got his start? drat, just watched JFK last night. Although Gerald Posner's Case Closed cured me of JFK conspiracy theories years ago, that movie still puts me right through the looking glass.
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Seriously, though, check that "New Russian Anthem" video out guys, particularly the part starting at ~3 minutes in and reaching crescendo ~4 minutes in. Have in mind that the song was made in 2009.
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my dad posted:That one is just trippy. Song too slow. Need more drum and guitar. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yyj6RkZh7fQ http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vowXiGU0qdA
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my dad posted:That one is just trippy. What is with the Iron Guard symbol? Or is that just a number symbol? Also why is mao in this? Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:In San Francisco today. So if I am understanding this correctly the entire plan right now for Russia is to set giant piles of cash on fire until the oil price recovers to levels much, much higher than levels that would be optimistic even without the understanding that the US can produce oil cheap as poo poo now, the Middle East desperately trying to undercut US cheap as poo poo oil prices and China has decided not to pursue becoming a exponentially larger petro consuming country that everyone assumed they would because they are choking to death on smog. Basically the entire understanding in Russia seems to hinge on the idea that anyone gives a poo poo about Russia and that oil prices are crashing for reasons that have anything to do with them and not completely understandable external factors. Three Olives fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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Three Olives posted:So if I am understanding this correctly the entire plan right now for Russia is to set giant piles of cash on fire until the oil price recovers to levels much, much higher than levels that would be optimistic even without the understanding that the US can produce oil cheap as poo poo now, the Middle East desperately trying to undercut US cheap as poo poo oil prices and China has decided not to pursue becoming a exponentially larger petro consuming country that everyone assumed they would because they are choking to death on smog. Basically the entire understanding in Russia seems to hinge on the idea that anyone gives a poo poo about Russia and that oil prices are crashing for reasons that have anything to do with them and not completely understandable external factors. People are aware of all of those factors. The goal isn't to stabilize the situation, it's to extract as much money as possible from it before it collapses.
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Three Olives posted:So if I am understanding this correctly the entire plan right now for Russia is to set giant piles of cash on fire until the oil price recovers to levels much, much higher than levels that would be optimistic even without the understanding that the US can produce oil cheap as poo poo now, the Middle East desperately trying to undercut US cheap as poo poo oil prices and China has decided not to pursue becoming a exponentially larger petro consuming country that everyone assumed they would because they are choking to death on smog. Basically the entire understanding in Russia seems to hinge on the idea that anyone gives a poo poo about Russia and that oil prices are crashing for reasons that have anything to do with them and not completely understandable external factors. I'm not sure what you expect. Russia should just give up and embrace total oblivion? "Blat, Dima. I can sense that the reign of the Russian people has come to an end. Summon the meteorite."
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 A man from Kosovo believes he is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, the Nazi dictator to whom he bears a striking, eerie resemblance. “I am proud of my likeness to the Fuhrer because, like him, I fought against the Serbs – my enemies,” he said in an interview with InSerbia News. “It is easy. I find myself in Hitler’s character because he fought against my enemy. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yes, Serbs are my enemies.”
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waitwhatno posted:I'm not sure what you expect. Russia should just give up and embrace total oblivion? Russia should withdraw from Ukraine including Crimea.
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my dad posted:That one is just trippy. What the part starting at, for example, 2:17 and 3:16 say?
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Fojar38 posted:Russia should withdraw from Ukraine including Crimea. At this point we should probably stick to realistic expectations.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:At this point we should probably stick to realistic expectations. Russia can end the vast majority of its current problems at any time but don't because of dumbshit pride, so I don't feel a particularly high amount of sympathy towards its plight.
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Fojar38 posted:Russia can end the vast majority of its current problems at any time but don't because of dumbshit pride, so I don't feel a particularly high amount of sympathy towards its plight. Handing over Crimea (I assume after a vote) isn't going to increase the price of oil or diversify Russia's economy. It would save some money for the budget for a very heavy political cost but it wouldn't change what is affecting Russia...if anything it is rather remarkable what you would think this in the first place. It has already been talked about but the sanctions are for the most part working around the edges of the Russian economy. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Ardennes posted:Handing over Crimea (I assume after a vote) isn't going to increase the price of oil or diversify Russia's economy. It would save some money for the budget for a very heavy political cost but it wouldn't change what is affecting Russia...if anything it is rather remarkable what you would think this in the first place. He could be basing that opinion on the interview given by the former Russian finance minister who basically said "the sanctions are loving Russia".
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Cuntpunch posted:He could be basing that opinion on the interview given by the former Russian finance minister who basically said "the sanctions are loving Russia". Yeah and there was plenty of commentary about that interview, and even then in actually he said it was like "35%" of the problem (which is still extravagant). They are loving Russia no doubt but the US doesn't control oil prices and even if you get rid of the sanctions, life may not actually improve for Russians. You can say it will be better theoretically, but then you have to ignore the political ramifications of surrendering Crimea to both the Kremlin and the Russian public.
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someone found a DNR volunteer application. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1sFqUqXKVuxHLaKHQJV6dUKT4VLBnboxR0w_QTz6vuDs/viewform?edit_requested=true sign up
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If annexing the neighbors is good national politics best keep that train rolling!
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sparatuvs posted:someone found a DNR volunteer application. They're using Skype? And  if anyone ever filled this out with real information.
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El Scotch posted:If annexing the neighbors is good national politics best keep that train rolling! It is what happens when a nation because revanchist, paranoid and nationalist without any real hope of improvement beyond nationalist aspirations.
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Fojar38 posted:Russia can end the vast majority of its current problems at any time but don't because of dumbshit pride, so I don't feel a particularly high amount of sympathy towards its plight. As promised, this space was full of some of the stupidest poo poo imaginable I wonder who else could cure the majority of their problems with a snap of their fingers? peasants? unemployed college graduates? The mentally ill? Now, does the Russian government make existing problems worse? Obviously, but so do most governments. Ardennes posted:Yeah and there was plenty of commentary about that interview, and even then in actually he said it was like "35%" of the problem (which is still extravagant). They are loving Russia no doubt but the US doesn't control oil prices and even if you get rid of the sanctions, life may not actually improve for Russians. You can say it will be better theoretically, but then you have to ignore the political ramifications of surrendering Crimea to both the Kremlin and the Russian public. Blaming the western sanctions for the intractable problems of Russian political economy that have been ignored for the last 50 years is easy, whereas finding a solution is drat near impossible even if you were honest and well-intentioned and had absolute power. Russia has produced lots of great scientists, brave soldiers, methodical engineers, poignant satirists, masterful artists, and deep philosophers, but they've failed to put it together into a society most sensitive and sane people don't want to escape from for the last 400+ years now. A friend of mine who's a (jewish, russophobe) academic has a theory that almost the whole history of Russian territorial expansion and colonization was people fleeing the central government with or without its permission, which ironically only served to eventually create a large enough Russian population for the Russian government to create a strong claim on the territory and annex it. Smerdyakov fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:They're using Skype? And I put in my info, will record if called.
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Here is something interesting. The Global Militarized Index ranks countries by level of militarization that country has. Russia is in the top ten at number 5, but just below the top ten ranking is Belarus at 11. Ukraine is 13. https://www.bicc.de/press/press-releases/press/news/global-militarisation-index-2014-431/ I'm a little surprised that Belarus ranks so high. When you look at the rankings for other Eastern European countries, Lithuania is 58, Latvia is 78, Estonia is 21. Poland is 74, Romania is 35 and so on. GMI chart http://gmi.bicc.de/index.php?page=ranking-table GMI map http://gmi.bicc.de/
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Smerdyakov posted:Blaming the western sanctions for the intractable problems of Russian political economy that have been ignored for the last 50 years is easy, whereas finding a solution is drat near impossible even if you were honest and well-intentioned and had absolute power. Russia have produced lots of great scientists, brave soldiers, methodical engineers, poignant satirists, masterful artists, and deep philosophers, but they've failed to put it together into a society most sensitive and sane people don't want to escape from for the last 400+ years now. The historical answer to this I believe is the primacy of Moscow, and the fact that the Russian state didn't exist outside whomever has held it it. The Russian state we know of is rooted in a minor city state, that when the opportunity arose swallowed its neighbors whole and continued to do so and really hasn't stopped since the 14th century. It brings up the dual nature of Russian identity, one of being ethnically Russian and the other being beholden to Moscow, and often how they clash and are manipulated by whomever is currently holding the Kremlin. The Russia we know will never stop being "Russia" as long as Moscow retains its historical place (and admittedly that includes St.Petersburg which only existed because of the rulers of Moscow in the first place).
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Russia is it's own worst enemy. Or Moscow is Russia's worst enemy.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Or Moscow is Russia's worst enemy. This is the right one.
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Croatian presidential elections are headed for a second round, with the expected result of the SDP incumbent versus the HDZ candidate Grabar-Kitarovic. January 11 2015 mark your calendars.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Russia is it's own worst enemy. Or Moscow is Russia's worst enemy. Lucy Heartfilia posted:Death to Muscovites!
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I never said death to Russians though. I said: Death to Putin. Death to the separatists. Destroy the Russian economy until it cannot wage war against Ukraine anymore.
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Heil Šiptler! Swan Oat posted:Croatian presidential elections are headed for a second round, with the expected result of the SDP incumbent versus the HDZ candidate Grabar-Kitarovic. January 11 2015 mark your calendars. At least the crazies are out. It was interesting to note that Josipović and Grabar-Kitarović were really close percentage wise. fuck off Batman fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Mightypeon posted:Well... Why I call you a coward is your insistence on focusing on irrelevancies instead of actual Russian policies which are regressive as gently caress. Those regressive Russian policies have a very clear impact on the citizens of the nations bordering Russia. You live in the relative safety of Germany and are now essentially stating that "well maybe a bit of ethnic discrimination, weird hatred on minorities, rejection of democracy and standard jingoism focused on neighbouring people is OK because United States in 1970s, btw I don't ever have to fear to face the consequences of the actions I blatantly support." If you believe you are not an apologist for Russian actions, maybe you should focus a bit more on the analysis and a bit less on tu quoques. Why I call you a hivemind is because I see dozens of posts that are similar to your "astute observations" written in many languages. They are so similar that they raise suspicions. The point is that you are not original and your point of view is continously employed as propaganda. That's why I think you are also a tool for propangada. I am not quite certain if you do it wittingly, but hey, if it quacks like a duck.. quote:All of these things are wrong and coward in particular is quite insulting. "Hivemind bound drone" is more amusing in comparison. Concerning comparisons between todays Russia and the Soviet Union: Greek and Portuguese austerity therapy - which I, by the way, find damaging and repulsive - has little to do with Russia's approach re: Ukraine (and Crimea, which is probably much more important to Russia in long term than Donetsk area). And here we go again: You keep bringing up all kinds of internal EU deals and stuff that other people did, but it does not explain or help understand Russia's actions. You seem very stuck in this one model of explanation even if that explanation is actually deletorious to your understanding of the situation. Ukraine would have gotten shafted after Maidan regardless of EU's austerity policies in Portugal, British imperium's policies in India or USA's interventions in Latin America. You bring them up all the time but have you ever considered that not all of Russia's actions are completely, 100 % comparable to some other situation, and you could actually try to look at Russia's actions as they are in the world? quote:And it is very relevant to put Russias actions into context, which the western media apparatus is very clearly not doing. Seriously, your statement is essentially completely false - I encounter lots of Western media that does nothing but analyzes Russia's actions from Russian perspective. Or is it not Western media? You seem to assume that a monolithic block known as "the west" actually exists in every single field of society, while that is blatantly untrue - or are Norwegian, Lithuanian, Greek and Irish newspapers all parts of the same block and driving the same narrative? quote:In any confrontation, providing the context is of the utmost importance. Previous and ongoing conduct of all involved actors is of the utmost importance. Criminal law clearly recognizes this, actually, most law systems recognize this. This is deflecting blame and trying to derail discussion of what are clearly Russia's actions at this moment. You are not providing context, and you haven't really been able to predict or astutetly explain what is going on. quote:The best way to predict future behaviour is by assessing past behaviour. Resulting strategies will be formed from the perception of likely or current adversaries. El Perkele fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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El Perkele posted:Greek and Portuguese austerity therapy - which I, by the way, find damaging and repulsive - has little to do with Russia's approach re: Ukraine (and Crimea, which is probably much more important to Russia in long term than Donetsk area). Guy makes a good point though, I wish Russia would have invaded my country back in 1997, killed a shitload of our citizens and annexed part of our land so that now we wouldn't be living under this terrible austerity. For the good of their citizens sometimes nations need a bit of tough love.
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El Perkele posted:Both are decidedly Russian projects and both have similar geopolitical goals and strategies, but exist in different geopolitical framework. The actual foreign policy of Russia has been quite consistent in retrospect, no matter who happens to lead it. It has also always been pretty self-centered. The "b-b-b-but the West too" is essentially propaganda. Lmao, no. Mightypeon is one of the few people who actually try to represent an alternative perspective on an incredibly complicated issue. He is always polite, never gets personal and is doing it in a tertiary language. That's what D&D is supposed to be about. You are actually supposed to by exposed to different opinions, learn new stuff and correct mistakes in your own understanding of the world. Nowadays we have crybabies here who get triggered by different opinions, proudly embracing their dissent into a leftist foxnews like echo chamber of infallible righteousness. Holy poo poo, how much work can it possibly be to scroll by someone elses post? I'm not even going to dissect your straw man attack of his arguments. There are better things I can do with my soap box.
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waitwhatno posted:
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Obdicut posted:Also, you can't. Bold statement. Let's start with the idea that speaking of western media is inaccurate. Here in Germany, TV news on public channels are some of the most watched programs overall. Millions of people use them every day to form opinions about things. All opinions on public TV are completely monolithic, due to the requirement of being apolitical. A single news paper is dominating the national market completely. Mass media is not homogenous, but largely dominated by few monopolies that decide public opinion.
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sparatuvs posted:I put in my info, will record if called. If you really filled that form out you have to tell us what happens. Last Friday Lithuanian President Grybauskaite held a press conference in which she stated that no one wishes Russia ill, but until Ukraine's territorial integrity is restored, we can't have any meaningful dialogue to restore relations. http://en.delfi.lt/central-eastern-...d.d?id=66760830 quote:Nobody wishes Russia ill but a dialogue is possible only after Ukraine's territorial integrity is restored, Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaitė said in an interview with Lithuania's LNK TV news program on Friday night.
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waitwhatno posted:Lmao, no. No, it's not a complicated issue. A country invaded a weaker neighbor, and used overwhelming military supremacy (partly based on that neighbor letting them host military bases there, as part of multiple "friendship treaties") to annex a region, then armed and trained irregular militia and sometimes its army to setup a puppet pseudo-state in parts of other region. Always looking for two sides of an issue is just a convenient lazy way out for people who don't care about the truth (extremely common in US media, BTW).
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waitwhatno posted:Bold statement. Is the narrative of German public media the same as in e.g. Finnish public media, Krakow Post, BBC, Aftonbladet, Nieuwsblad or Daily Mail? Is it dictated by same people or forces that be? Do they all drive a similar explanation of the current crisis? If the media is the same and millions of people form opinions based on similar arguments, then how does the approach to the Ukrainian crisis differ so much in different countries? Shouldn't the relative proportions of different explanations be roughly in the same neighbourhood?
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Four Russian Marines were killed by land mines in Donetsk. http://espreso.tv/news/2014/12/29/u_donecku_na_fuhasi_pidirvalasya_bryhada_rosiyskykh_pikhotynciv__chetvero_zahynuly quote:In Donetsk, radio-controlled bomb blew high power Russian Marines Google translate is awesome. Bonus Putin selfie:  http://espreso.tv/news/2014/12/29/r...lya_putina_foto HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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