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I actually read some nerd's essay at one point basically saying that Kindred are the biggest threat to mages, because each of the Clans likes to Embrace the sort of person who's most likely to Awaken for one reason or another. (Wow, that's a lot of capitalized jargon.) Brujah: rebels, Tremere: mystics, Malkavians: crazy people, and on and on.
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Fate D20 I'm just going to leave this here. There is not enough  to rationalize even attempting this. I just don't comprehend why you would want to take Fate, a very streamlined system, and just slap D20 poo poo into it. They just don't even think about the why.
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Myrmidongs posted:Fate D20 Because it's a tradition 14 years in the making!
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Dec 29, 2014 04:27
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D20 is some sort of evil basilisk hack transmitted in from the future or something.
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moths posted:Streetfighter Zangief can straight up one-shot most things in oWoD with a piledriver.
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TITAN: "Cirno, burn all your indie game books, spend your life savings on WotC and Paizo products. Yes, yes, delete your hard drive's contents, too, nothing must escape!"
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Dec 29, 2014 04:43
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 Has anybody ever did GURPS:D20?
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Dec 29, 2014 05:13
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That is almost as bad as Fire Emblem d20. I have also seen people defend Iron Kingdoms 3.5 over the newest one because the new one is "more complex" while blaming the wargame for "making the setting too combat-centered" for their d20 needs.
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Otisburg posted:
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Slimnoid posted:Zangief can straight up one-shot most things in oWoD with a piledriver. The only thing I remember from the oWoD Street Fighter was that Guile, an experienced special ops soldier, had no experience using firearms.
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Dec 29, 2014 06:13
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JackMann posted:The only thing I remember from the oWoD Street Fighter was that Guile, an experienced special ops soldier, had no experience using firearms. There's silly things like that, and then there's Zangief running around with 6 dots of strength. The Street Fighter RPG was many things, and all of them were silly. poo poo's great, I highly recommend it. Wish I still had my copy I got for 50 cents, but I let someone borrow it and never saw it again.
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Slimnoid posted:There's silly things like that, and then there's Zangief running around with 6 dots of strength. So could you use the Street Fighter RPG to play ridiculous kung fu heroes piledriving oWoD vampires and poo poo? Because if so, that justifies its existence on its own.
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Night10194 posted:So could you use the Street Fighter RPG to play ridiculous kung fu heroes piledriving oWoD vampires and poo poo? Because if so, that justifies its existence on its own. Sort of, Street Fighter has a somewhat different combat system. It'd be like running Scion vs Exalted, you'd have to do a lot of dirty hacking and the end result would be one of them just stomping the other hard.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Sort of, Street Fighter has a somewhat different combat system. It'd be like running Scion vs Exalted, you'd have to do a lot of dirty hacking and the end result would be one of them just stomping the other hard. They did a book that translated the SF fighting system to normal WoD combat I think?
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Slimnoid posted:Zangief can straight up one-shot most things in oWoD with a piledriver. I see nothing wrong with this.
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You guys keep speaking about Mikan and I never see them posting anymore. What happened to Mikan.  Slimnoid posted:Zangief can straight up one-shot most things in oWoD with a piledriver. All is right with the world.
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Dec 29, 2014 08:01
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mikan autobanned, because people on this site can be enormous creeps. they're also getting out of the tradgames industry, because of incessant harassment from grogs. another case to file under the "burn down this hobby" tag, as though that wasn't full enough. this post isn't very on-topic but gently caress if i'm going to go grogdiving right now in this mood
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Tollymain posted:mikan autobanned, because people on this site can be enormous creeps. they're also getting out of the tradgames industry, because of incessant harassment from grogs.  I thought Mikan was one of the people who was managing to make a modest living from RPGs too?
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BatteredFeltFedora posted:I see nothing wrong with this. This is what really happened to the antedivulians. Mikan should post; gently caress the haters.
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well, peace of mind is kind of important, and there are other dreams to chase
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it's real easy as somebody less marginalized to discount just how terrible it is in this hobby being a minority figure. change is happening, but shitheads are fighting it tooth and nail and folks like mikan get the worst of their poo poo while more privileged figures get to be largely oblivious. there's no winning moves, even just holding up hope for the long run involves enduring harassment and poo poo.
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Halloween Jack posted:There was BESM D20, and BESM was basically a universal system. Irony of the day, I've had the misfortune of playing both and BESM d20 is actually less broken and lovely than BESM 3rd because at least it builds off of a foundation that is functional, even if it frequently has abilities and powers that don't match up in costs or do nothing at all.
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Dec 29, 2014 08:46
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I think of Mikan as an anime gradeschooler, so the idea of his identity being an issue is really weird to me.
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It sucks that the assholes have driven Mikan off the boards. But Mikan's first priority has to be Mikan, not "winning." The best way we can keep them from winning is to continue to try and make the hobby as welcoming as we can for others in Mikan's position, support them visibly and publicly, and to keep pointing out how these people are being assholes. I think we're winning, too, ultimately. The reason the assholes have gotten so vile, so venomous recently, is because the demographics in the hobby are changing, and that privilege is starting to be threatened. Speaking as a straight white dude, I think that's awesome. More viewpoints in the hobby means a more diverse, more interesting hobby.
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If I wanted to find out who this Mikan is and what happened to her, what should I do? My Google-fu fails me. e: Correction: I've found out she worked for Funhaver Industries, who kickstarted an RPG about giant monsters. What happened to her? paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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well, she is Funhaver, more or less. she's retiring from the business after meeting obligations on her last kickstarter. as for what she's doing now, i'm not too clear on it and if i were i probably wouldn't share it anyway 
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Caros posted:Irony of the day, I've had the misfortune of playing both and BESM d20 is actually less broken and lovely than BESM 3rd because at least it builds off of a foundation that is functional, even if it frequently has abilities and powers that don't match up in costs or do nothing at all.
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Angrymog posted:They did a book that translated the SF fighting system to normal WoD combat I think? The main difference in Street Fighter is that there's no to-hit roll. (You dodge by using rare moves that specifically allow it, or by using a move with better initiative and moving out of range.) Also, Street Fighters start with 10 Health Levels and can go up to 20, so it's totally reasonable that Zangief, greatest wrestler in world, rolls 19 damage dice when he lands his hardest-hitting, hardest-to-set-up move. On reflection, Street Fighter is honestly a lot better designed and better balanced than a lot of what went into the World of Darkness. The balance problems are with individual powers and classes and are pretty easily fixed, whereas WoD combat becomes Rocket Tag after a certain XP threshold. Asimo posted:And BESM d20 is still better than Aberrant d20. How the hell did that game even get past the concept phase? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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That's too bad to hear what happened to Mikan. Though it's not surprising since GG operates in the same way. I miss Mikan and that other guy who used to post about King Arthur a lot. Caros posted:Irony of the day, I've had the misfortune of playing both and BESM d20 is actually less broken and lovely than BESM 3rd because at least it builds off of a foundation that is functional, even if it frequently has abilities and powers that don't match up in costs or do nothing at all. I've tried various iterations of BESM and for the life of me I still can't figure out how a game based around the chaos of anime, ANIME, for crying out loud, was as clunky and awkward as it was. I'm glad more rules light systems are around now and they're much better for the genre. Had I known it was around back then I think even dogs in the vineyard would've been an excellent system for an anime game. But screw BESM for mucking up what should be the easiest rule set for anime ever.
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Chill la Chill posted:I've tried various iterations of BESM and for the life of me I still can't figure out how a game based around the chaos of anime, ANIME, for crying out loud, was as clunky and awkward as it was. I get a lot of mileage out of FATE on that sort of stuff these days. But that's because FATE is a perfect system and I'll hear no arguments. 
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Phuzzy posted:I get a lot of mileage out of FATE on that sort of stuff these days. So, in theory, if we were plotting against you, all we'd have to do is couch it in terms of arguments against FATE, and you'd never know it? *Writes this down*
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Halloween Jack posted:That was in 2004, when White Wolf was still doing D20 stuff for their Scarred Lands setting, so it's not surprising that even they jumped on the D20 bandwagon. They had done GURPS adaptations of Vampire, Werewolf, and Mage, after all. I own GURPS Vampire and GURPS Mage, and they are fantastically, transcendently ill-advised products. I almost want to create GURPS Fate D20 in their honor, maybe with a fourth system thrown in for actual world flavor (GURPS Fate D20 Monsterhearts, anybody?).
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The bizarre thing about GURPS Vampire/Werewolf and maybe Mage1 is that, since they were shorter books that had to pack everything you would need into one place (though GURPS Vampire did get a GURPS Vampire Companion), they tended to be more straightforward and concise when it came to introducing new players to the game's ideas. Of course, 50 point ghoul templates and 7 points per level Celerity were scattered hither and yon throughout the "here's how the setting loving works so you can start making your characters." Of course, a good chunk of people who care about WoD do because of the frequently obtuse world-building. 1 I never cared to flip through GURPS Mage too much, because come on.
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moths posted:As much as I'd love to see GURPS: GURPS, I have no idea how you'd pull that off. Point-build system for dialing in the specific setting allowances of the core GURPS rules.
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Phuzzy posted:I get a lot of mileage out of FATE on that sort of stuff these days. The problem with FATE is it's too abstract. PBtA games have "to do it, do it"; I don't have to "create an advantage" to give me leverage in a social attack, I just "shut someone down". To me it's very easy to slip into "well, I need a free aspect to tag if I want to succeed at stabbing this dude, so I better figure out what kind of advantage I can create" and then you're just playing the system, not the story. (That and the last few times I GM'd FATE, the players refused to deal with aspects except "I'm gonna spend a point to use my aspect as a +2".) moths posted:As much as I'd love to see GURPS: GURPS, I have no idea how you'd pull that off. Why not GURPS d20?
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The nice thing about BESM is that now you can play OVA instead and it's better in every way times a thousand.
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Chill la Chill posted:That's too bad to hear what happened to Mikan. Though it's not surprising since GG operates in the same way. I miss Mikan and that other guy who used to post about King Arthur a lot. She still shows up in #Badwrongfun from time to time if you want to chat with her. If you want an anime game that is better than BESM in everyway, try OVA. I was looking up reviews for a game I was interested in and came across this tidbit: "Good Layout is dumbing down games for simpletons and teenager newbies posted:The interior design, however, doesn’t even go this far. The choice to use bold colours to box things off and colour-code the sections strikes me as a massive dumbing down of what isn’t a game for simpletons or teenage newbies.
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This hobby definitely needed someone like Mikan who would get ideas for games from Kanye West songs. I do what I can to help make RPGs weird though.ProfessorCirno posted:The nice thing about BESM is that now you can play OVA instead and it's better in every way times a thousand.
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Ewen Cluney posted:Champions: "A game designed by a man who likes math even more than he likes superheroes.") You ever want to get into the real poo poo of math guys designing games, find yourself a copy of Don't Look Back. It's some lovely horror genre book from the 90s, and it has weapon damage represented as multiplying the result of your skill check by the weapon's modifier, which is a decimal. So like you get 4 on your roll and multiply that by a pistol's damage of .6 to get how much you deal. Oh and skill resolution is adding your stat (which ranges from -3 to 3) to your skill number (which starts at zero and goes to 2) and your skill difficulty (which all start around -2 and drop from there). Then you determine the absolute value of your result, add 3 to it, roll that many dice, and take either the top or bottom three depending on if you had a negative or positive score before determining absolute value, then compare that final result to a success chart. Woooo!
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