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Problem is that when you work in a typicaly crappily managed office environment in some kind of technology role (or probably any writing/design/creativity-related role), everyone's project is "asap". Directors just got out of a meeting and came up with some new initiative and your manager had something to prove out wants a bigger bonus? Congrats, you just have another new project "and they need it by yesterday". I could probably go on with tons of hypotheticals, but the point is that one of the hardest things some people can do is understand that they're not the most important thing in the world, and good luck ever having a protagonist say "I need that done on the 15th, but if that's too tight let me know your current project list and I'll talk with the other leads to see if something can be moved"
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There's an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where they find Scotty (who's previous ship crashed; he was able to keep himself "inside" the transporter for decades to stay alive.) At one point, Geordi tells Picard it'll take X hours to do something, and Scotty asks him how long it will really take, and Geordi gives him a weird look (well...as close to a weird look one can give when wearing that visor,) and says X hours. Scotty then berates him and says that's no way to be an engineer...you always say at least double so you look really good when you get it done in "half" the time. Sort of a nice nod/jab to times when Kirk would be all "well, you've only got Y hours!" and yet it miraculously still got done.
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Dec 29, 2014 15:08
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Murphy Brownback posted:I am aware of the definition of a metaphor, thanks. As someone else said, this isn't the "rationally irritating movie moments" thread. My rationally irritating thread moment is when people act like a dick spouting out definitions of words we all know the definition of. I think if they say "yesterday" as when they need it that its fair to assume you should start cutting the corners immediately because they need the thing in a real big hurry.
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Dec 29, 2014 15:27
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SiKboy posted:I think if they say "yesterday" as when they need it that its fair to assume you should start cutting the corners immediately because they need the thing in a real big hurry. Why didn't they say it yesterday, then?
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Dec 29, 2014 15:34
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Szurumbur posted:Why didn't they say it yesterday, then? Poor forward planning and time management skills generally.
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Dec 29, 2014 15:37
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Szurumbur posted:Why didn't they say it yesterday, then?
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Dec 29, 2014 15:56
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SiKboy posted:Poor forward planning and time management skills generally. Cage posted:There was no camera pointed on them at the time. I hate it when that happens, to the both points.
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Dec 29, 2014 16:04
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GazChap posted:"Sir, I think you'd better [see|hear|come look at] this..." I was doing some crowd control earlier this month for a small town Christmastime parade, and part of the route ran across a railroad crossing. It was late at night, and midway through the parade I glanced along the tracks and saw lights in the distance. There was a road running parallel to the tracks in that direction, so I wasn't entirely sure if that actually was an oncoming train or not. Rather than yell "HEY THERE'S A TRAIN" at the crowd and the other fellow helping manage traffic nearby, I told my co-volunteer to take a look at the lights first, then he also went "yep, that's a train", then we both turned to the crowds and yelled "HEY LOOK AT THOSE LIGHTS, THAT'S A TRAIN, MOVE OUT OF THE WAY" and likewise paused the parade itself until the train had passed. By getting people to actually look and verify, we got people to listen to us a lot more easily than just two chumpy dudes in vests shrieking about some poo poo whatever. The rail crossing guard worked, it's just that it's not really timed for parades and crowds, so we had to get people to start clearing out of the way well before the guards started coming down.
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Dec 29, 2014 18:36
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Ofaloaf posted:Sometimes it's a good way to get someone to actually pay attention, and to get some verification. That has jack poo poo to do with the chief engineer calling the captain down to the other side of the ship every time the quartonium is misaligned and you know it.
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Dec 29, 2014 18:57
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Lottery of Babylon posted:That has jack poo poo to do with the chief engineer calling the captain down to the other side of the ship every time the quartonium is misaligned and you know it. "Captain, you might wanna come look at this, the ship's christmas time parade could be in serious danger!" *camera zooms onto concerned captain as music swells. Cuts to ad
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Dec 29, 2014 19:26
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GazChap posted:"Sir, I think you'd better [see|hear|come look at] this..." If it makes you feel less irritated, note that usually that's for stuff that you wouldn't want to make widely known without alerting someone above you, and make it their call.
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Dec 29, 2014 19:27
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Jedit posted:It also saves time, which is at a premium. I object to this. If time were at a premium movies wouldn't spend so much of it sucking. Examples: abandoned plot threads and ignored plot holes; too-clever-by-half Whedon-esque banter; any time Will Farrell's face is shown. (these are some of my irrational irritations)
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Dec 29, 2014 19:34
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Van Dis posted:any time Will Farrell's face is shown.
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Dec 29, 2014 20:02
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DrBouvenstein posted:There's an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where they find Scotty (who's previous ship crashed; he was able to keep himself "inside" the transporter for decades to stay alive.) Didn't something like this happen in one of the original series movies, also? One of the characters, Kirk maybe, asked Scotty if he's always been padding his times?
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Dec 29, 2014 20:06
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Murphys Law posted:Didn't something like this happen in one of the original series movies, also? One of the characters, Kirk maybe, asked Scotty if he's always been padding his times? It definitely pops up right away on Voyager, in what might be the only part of that show that was any good. Janeway tries to get Torres the old "You've got two" routine, and Torres shuts her down with a quick "I don't pad times. If I say three, I mean three. It can't be done in two."
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Dec 29, 2014 20:51
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People like Scotty know that the higher-ups usually make things out to be more urgent and crisis-like then they are, either because they're flipping out over nothing or because they want to get people motivated, so they tell them that a task will take longer than it really will and then get it done quick so they can go jack off to ultraporn. If it's one of the rare times that a task really does have to be done, then, hey, it did get done faster than they initially said. If Scotty was a lovely engineer he would say things took a lot of time because they actually did take that much time or he would say they would take a lot of time, gently caress off and do whatever until the last second and then get it done. Dude is a good worker because he does the task immediately and efficiently and then uses his cushion for fun or says hey thing done aren't I amazing, if it's something that is actually necessary.
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Dec 30, 2014 01:38
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I always figured an ultimatum like that meant 'cut any corners you have to'. Sure, Scotty could fix the engines in 1 hour, but if he took 2 hours he could do it without exposing the engineering crew to toxic levels of radiation.
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Dec 30, 2014 02:30
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Gaunab posted:Probably cuts down on awkward phone call endings too. "Another victim? I'll be there in fifteen minutes. Bye bye."
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Dec 30, 2014 03:11
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Danger Mahoney posted:"Another victim? I'll be there in fifteen minutes. Bye bye." "Alright see you." "Alright." "Bye." "...Bye." "..."
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Dec 30, 2014 03:17
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As someone who makes a lot of phone calls at work, you'd be surprised how few people say "bye" or whatever at the end of a phone call anymore.
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Dec 30, 2014 04:13
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I've been watching the first season of The 100 and it's a pretty interesting show for a CW property, but it bugs me that there's a secret cabal of people seemingly hellbent on stopping the people of the Ark that are trying to get to Earth. Granted, I'm not very far into the series so maybe there will be some big reveal that makes their plan make some sense, but as it is I just cannot fathom their motivation for loving over everyone trying to get things prepared to go back to the ground considering their other option is slow death via asphyxiation. I mean, jeez. Can't your personal vendetta's wait until after the threat of horrible death isn't looming over everyone? On a related note, after everyone finds out that Earth is not only habitable, but has entire populations that have survived for almost 100 years, everyone on the Ark still talks like they're the last hope for humanity. I get that they still want to live and all, and wouldn't want them to give up trying to return to Earth just because its occupied, but knowing that humans survived the nukes just fine and there's no immediate threat of extinction should at least relieve some of the stress the leaders are experiencing. Since now if they gently caress up they aren't dooming the entire species.
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Dec 30, 2014 09:17
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The 100 bugged the gently caress out of me, enough that I gave up halfway through the first season, when the spacebound society which was running out of air was still executing people by flushing them into space with an airlock full of air. Let alone when they've been hovering above earth for 100 years without, apparently, even a telescope to look down and see the people living there (or indeed, the canaries they sent down to see if it was habitable). I just couldn't force myself to give a gently caress after that.
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Dec 30, 2014 12:04
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Generic "incoming call" phone screens. I know we all hate blatent product placement but it bugs the gently caress out of me when there is a close up of a very obvious iPhone / Samsung / HTC / Whatever phone body, but its sitting with a generic flashing "Incoming Call" and a studio quality photo of the actor making said call on it. A persons photo is usually drawn from FB or some lovely photo you took of them while drunk one night and thought it'd be funny to see them wearing a horse head mask every time he called. And just use the actual call screen the phone comes with. Why does this irritate me so much?
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Dec 30, 2014 14:18
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thespaceinvader posted:The 100 bugged the gently caress out of me, enough that I gave up halfway through the first season, when the spacebound society which was running out of air was still executing people by flushing them into space with an airlock full of air. Let alone when they've been hovering above earth for 100 years without, apparently, even a telescope to look down and see the people living there (or indeed, the canaries they sent down to see if it was habitable). They showed midway through the first season that they would suck the air out of the chamber before letting the person float out into space, specifically to address your issue. However, it is really stupid that they had no idea about anything on Earth when a simple look down to see lush green and blue covering the planet and not varying shades of brown should tell them all they need to do know. It also bugs me that grounders speak the same hip teenage lingo as the kids in space isolation for 100 years. I would imagine the vernacular would shift considerably over 100 years on both sides. Hell, just a simple attempt at an accent for the grounders would've been more believable.
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Dec 30, 2014 14:18
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dpack_1 posted:Generic "incoming call" phone screens. Related to this was the most recent season of 24 (24: Live Another Day.) The 24 universe is, at this point, anywhere from 3 to 8 years ahead of our own. Yet all the government agents use HTC phones from 2013. Budget cutbacks, I guess?
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Dec 30, 2014 14:23
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dpack_1 posted:Generic "incoming call" phone screens. Oh God, same here. The phones on Dexter were so bad they looped around to be hilarious   
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Dec 30, 2014 14:23
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Ha. Another silly moment in The 100. The tween camp gets infected by a biological warfare virus and everyone panics, only to find out later that the virus doesn't kill you and just makes you temporarily sick and causes psychological trauma to soften you up before a grounder raid. Except not twenty minutes before this reveal there was a kid who dropped dead from it. But nevermind him, it's totally harmless. This show has the weirdest writing. The writers do a great job at creating tension and character development, but leave plot holes laying around like its studio mandated.
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Dec 30, 2014 14:47
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mng posted:Oh God, same here. The phones on Dexter were so bad they looped around to be hilarious See, as weird as they look, I think it was a necessary evil in the show. It uses a lot of phones and text messages etc. and having a character read the message aloud every time they read and typed would be a pretty bad solution (and one of my irrationlly irritating moments), and you can't exactly show a close-up of the messaging app or whatever without violating some law of filmmaking and having it look really odd.
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Dec 30, 2014 16:51
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Elfface posted:See, as weird as they look, I think it was a necessary evil in the show. It uses a lot of phones and text messages etc. and having a character read the message aloud every time they read and typed would be a pretty bad solution (and one of my irrationlly irritating moments), and you can't exactly show a close-up of the messaging app or whatever without violating some law of filmmaking and having it look really odd. I like the way they did them in Sherlock  but I don't think it would have fit the tone of the show.
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Dec 30, 2014 16:55
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Elfface posted:See, as weird as they look, I think it was a necessary evil in the show. It uses a lot of phones and text messages etc. and having a character read the message aloud every time they read and typed would be a pretty bad solution (and one of my irrationlly irritating moments), and you can't exactly show a close-up of the messaging app or whatever without violating some law of filmmaking and having it look really odd. A lot of shows these days have taken the route of showing the text as an animated pop-up, like Sherlock for example, which to me seems like a perfect solution to the problem. Especially since going forward texting on phones is going to be in a lot of movies and shows and someone has to do something to make it bearable. e;f;b 
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There's a great video on texting in film/TV: http://youtu.be/uFfq2zblGXw
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Synonamess Botch posted:There's a great video on texting in film/TV: http://youtu.be/uFfq2zblGXw Damnit, I wanted to post this. Seriously, check that video and the others on the channel out, it's really interesting and well done.
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Dec 30, 2014 18:30
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Esroc posted:Ha. Another silly moment in The 100. Not totally harmless, just 10% mortality. Also anyone who watches The 100 and gives up on it, at least skip to the finale of Season 1, it's great for a variety of reasons (probably very few of which were intended). I was most annoyed by the science of that show. It's like they didn't even try. "Oh my ship is de-orbiting, time to unbuckle my seatbelt and float around weightless while we go through re-entry."  Edit: "Welp I got kinda hurt by doing that, rather than being turned into a greasy smear over the walls of the ship" Evilreaver has a new favorite as of 19:49 on Dec 30, 2014 |
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Dec 30, 2014 19:43
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My favourite intergration of text / chat messages was definitely Disconnect. That film had a great Requiem for a Dream feel about it but focused on electronic communication over drugs. Nothing good comes of it and you get a bunch of impersonal misinterpretations.
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Dec 30, 2014 19:46
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Esroc posted:They showed midway through the first season that they would suck the air out of the chamber before letting the person float out into space, specifically to address your issue. However, it is really stupid that they had no idea about anything on Earth when a simple look down to see lush green and blue covering the planet and not varying shades of brown should tell them all they need to do know. Which would be fine except a: it didn't remotely look to me like there was time to evacuate it in the one execution I saw, and there was fairly obviously some sort of air pressure pushing the guy out into space and b: even flushing the corpse is loving dumb when you don't have any way to resupply and do need to feed the plants. Wasting ANY materials in a closed-system space station is REALLY loving stupid. My experience of the show was that I enjoyed the writing, but they DESPERATELY needed (better) scientific consultants. And given that I'm a scientist, and an avid reader of hard SF, I really noticed the fuckups. I enjoyed the political tensions and felt like the characters were well written and developed, but the wild inconsistencies bothered me too much to keep watching. It would have been better, I think, as a sealed underground bunker rather than a space station; indeed, quite a lot of the writing and inconsistencies would have worked a LOT better in that light. If they could filter outside air, even, but at very low rates and/or the equipment was screwed up, it would have been a far better show I think.
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I've never seen the show, but if it's a drama then they could have even written some pretty big character arcs around the whole jettisoning execution method in the first place. I'm sure that to viewers not thinking about closed systems (and even some who do), going from the now stereotypical 'out the airlock' method of death to putting someone in an airlock without a suit then just slowly depressurizing it to 0 would totally cross the line from a tough but fair wartime ruler to an utter psychopath. And that's not even getting into the pretty  Aztec style of sticking open the prisoner and fertilizing plants with their blood
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Dec 31, 2014 02:01
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Sentient Data posted:I've never seen the show, but if it's a drama then they could have even written some pretty big character arcs around the whole jettisoning execution method in the first place. I'm sure that to viewers not thinking about closed systems (and even some who do), going from the now stereotypical 'out the airlock' method of death to putting someone in an airlock without a suit then just slowly depressurizing it to 0 would totally cross the line from a tough but fair wartime ruler to an utter psychopath. And that's not even getting into the pretty There's a lynching by airlock in one of the early battlestar galactica seasons for what it's worth.
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Dec 31, 2014 02:08
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Sentient Data posted:going from the now stereotypical 'out the airlock' method of death to putting someone in an airlock without a suit then just slowly depressurizing it to 0 would totally cross the line from a tough but fair wartime ruler to an utter psychopath. That would just be suffocation, though.
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Dec 31, 2014 02:10
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AFewBricksShy posted:I like the way they did them in Sherlock Shameless (US) has started doing this but it doubles as iPhone product placement, which itself is irrationally irritating in a show about poor people. I know you can get affordable phones and plans nowadays, but it's jarring to see Fiona have to explain that the family will have to scrounge for food this week and then fire off a series of texts to whichever guy she is sleeping with at the time. Then again, the show makes a big deal about poor spending habits biting them in the rear end.
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That reminds me of an irritating moment in pretty much every movie I watch: how come most movies are about more-or-less successful, well-off people who have one tiny little problem that their movie is based around? Same goes for TV as well, where the gently caress are the poor people? Want me to sympathize with a character, Hollywood? Want me to think he's downtrodden and depressed? Then show him walking through by the highway in holey shoes and a threadbare jacket on his way to work at a burger joint, not sadly tapping a pen at his "unfulfilling" desk job moaning about missing that promotion!
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