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Konomex posted:I wasn't born a woman, why should I have to have a simple one time low cost surgery to remove my chances of procreating? Let the womenfolk deal with the horrible hormone swings of semi-preventative contraception. Good news then, in the next few years, men will be able to get an injection that is looking to be just as effective as the pill. And yes, it will be given via needle to the dick.
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Laserface posted:I vote greens hth Oh okay, so when everyone was talking about the sorts of swing voters that go from LNP -> Greens after the Vic elections they were actually talking about you
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Oh okay, so when everyone was talking about the sorts of swing voters that go from LNP -> Greens after the Vic elections they were actually talking about you As long as they don't join the party and try to affect policy.
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Dec 30, 2014 05:12
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Oh okay, so when everyone was talking about the sorts of swing voters that go from LNP -> Greens after the Vic elections they were actually talking about you Never voted liberal in my life but Okay.
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Zenithe posted:Good news then, in the next few years, men will be able to get an injection that is looking to be just as effective as the pill. More effective by a factor of seven I believe, and it doesn't have any effect on hormones, and it lasts for ten years.
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Dec 30, 2014 05:16
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Laserface posted:Never voted liberal in my life but Okay.
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Dec 30, 2014 05:18
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Fruity Gordo posted:More effective by a factor of seven I believe, and it doesn't have any effect on hormones, and it lasts for ten years. Lasts until you get another injection into the dick. So yeah, probs ten years.
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Dec 30, 2014 05:19
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Milky Moor posted:there is not a single person on this gay heteronormative earth who doesn't click on people's posts when they have them ignored I didn't click on yours when I was being s dickhead (Love you milky)
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Dec 30, 2014 05:20
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Did Mills actually say anything about forced contraception at all or did you guys just get carried away with your fan fiction again?
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Dec 30, 2014 05:21
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Mills posted:Without giving it much thought, I think it's fine as a standalone idea. Unwanted pregnancies probably harm society more than the cost of universally available contraception, although this is clearly a subjective calculation that I am making on a whim right now to humour you. Rather than just humor me on it, why not give it some proper thought?
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Dec 30, 2014 05:22
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Amethyst posted:Did Mills actually say anything about contraception at all or did you guys just get carried away with your fan fiction again? It started with this, I guess. Mills posted:Well the idea isn't completely stupid but I don't see how it would practically work without having unwanted effects. And my response to bowmore trying to help him understand why people were posting what they were posting on Facebook, since understanding typically dims irrational anger even if you disagree with the opposing viewpoint. Mills posted:A lot of people only see black or white rather than shades of grey. There are many people who should be on welfare because of [situations] but there are also those that add nothing to society, cop the dole every week, and then poo poo out a host of babies they can't afford. I don't think it's my job to pay for someone's child when it was every bit conceivable that the child wasn't affordable in the first place. People on your Facebook may be focussing on the latter if that helps you.
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Oh nm I missed laserface's stupid reproduction licence post sorry
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Dec 30, 2014 05:25
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Amethyst posted:Did Mills actually say anything about forced contraception at all or did you guys just get carried away with your fan fiction again? Why are you defending Mills? Why can't you be bothered to read the progression of posts you're trying to pass judgement on?
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Dec 30, 2014 05:27
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Why are you defending Mills? Why can't you be bothered to read the progression of posts you're trying to pass judgement on? I'm trying to understand why you are attacking him so vehemently. I don't agree with withdrawing welfare from children obviously but I don't think it's worthwhile to vitriolically demonize people with bad opinions either. Save that for the people who implement horrible poo poo. Also because it's clear you guys have been going at him for something he never advocated in the first place
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Dec 30, 2014 05:30
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Amethyst posted:I'm trying to understand why you are attacking him so vehemently. I don't agree with withdrawing welfare from children obviously but I don't think it's worthwhile to vitriolically demonize people with bad opinions either. Save that for the people who implement horrible poo poo. Amethyst posted:Also because it's clear you guys have been going at him for something he never advocated in the first place
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Na, Jonah is wrong. Also I don't think he actually said anything in response though. All I can remember is some base level swearing.
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Dec 30, 2014 05:35
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Mills posted:There's so many responses that I can't respond to them all at once. Don't misrepresent my responses.  By the way, as mentioned above no birth control is perfect so I don't know why we're arguing this idea when there is no thought about 'Plan B' (or whatever letter it technically would be).
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Dec 30, 2014 05:36
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Nuclear Spy posted:If you couldn't afford to answer all the responses, well then you shouldn't have asked the question in the first place. Nice victim blaming.
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Fruity Gordo posted:The implication is that you're a snivelling cryptomisogynist piece of poo poo who doesn't give a gently caress about women's rights to not have the state all up in their junk, hth. I give plenty of shits about womens rights and never one singled out women. its usually men who are fuckwit retarded and knock up women having dumb bogan dole sex. But keep trying to make my silly argument about yourself.
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Dec 30, 2014 05:40
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Nuclear Spy posted:If you couldn't afford to answer all the responses, well then you shouldn't have asked the question in the first place. There's so many responses that I can't respond to them all at once. Don't misrepresent my responses.
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Hey QM if there is a single mother with six children and she has been unemployed for the past decade do you think that: a) she should have another child b) she should be able to have another child if she wants to b) she should be able to get welfare for the additional child? Addendum: d) do you think that paying a lifetime's welafre for that child is a sound use of taxpayers money?
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Dec 30, 2014 05:44
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Stop the Scrotes posted:Hey QM if there is a single mother with six children and she has been unemployed for the past decade do you think that: Solid points IMO
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Dec 30, 2014 05:45
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Bear in mind that educational attainment and lifetime income are strongly correlated with that of one's parents As is propensity for substance abuse and smoking
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Cos it's a basic loving human right she should be allowed to have another six if she wants, gently caress you
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Dec 30, 2014 05:47
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How dare you bring up eugenics soag you are hitler
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Mills posted:Cos it's a basic loving human right she should be allowed to have another six if she wants, gently caress you ahhahahah mills says a correct thing while trying to be facetious
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Who actually says Trigger warning without a hint of sarcasm anyway?
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Mills posted:There's so many responses that I can't respond to them all at once. Don't misrepresent my responses. I'll repost my question, then; I'm really curious about your response. Earlier you posted that " There are many people who should be on welfare because of [situations] but there are also those that add nothing to society". I asked what criteria you use to divide people into the former or latter group. I'm not asking how that would translate into policy or how that would be enforced; that isn't a fair question. I'm asking what criteria you use, personally, to arrive at the opinion that someone "should" be on welfare and someone else shouldn't be.
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Stop the Scrotes posted:Bear in mind that educational attainment and lifetime income are strongly correlated with that of one's parents All of which is nothing to actually do with inheritance and everything to do with social stratification which is something a strong welfare and education system prevents. EDIT: I also really like the unspoken assumption that the only contribution anyone can possibly make to a society is economic. Someone on the dole who does volunteer work is sure contributing a fuckload less than a stock trader who avoids heavy taxation by pumping all his income through their kid's trust funds. hooman fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Dec 30, 2014 |
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Laserface posted:Who actually says Trigger warning without a hint of sarcasm anyway? People who actually know someone who's had a legitimately traumatic experience.
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Stop the Scrotes posted:Hey QM if there is a single mother with six children and she has been unemployed for the past decade do you think that: Why not?
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Stop the Scrotes posted:Hey QM if there is a single mother with six children and she has been unemployed for the past decade do you think that: Yes. I'm not sure how you go about restricting the ability to have children without becoming Draconian. Once that child exists, it would be a far better use of taxpayers money to ensure that child had every chance to make a better future for themselves as opposed to the cost both to taxpayers and society if they are left to fend for themselves doing whatever they have to.
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hooman posted:All of which is nothing to actually do with inheritance and everything to do with social stratification which is something a strong welfare and education system prevents. a) not true b) we don't have a strong welfare and education system
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Turks posted:People who actually know someone who's had a legitimately traumatic experience. I dont know anyone like that. Then Again I dont post on tumblr about anything so theres that too.
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asio posted:Why not? why not what mate there are like four questions there
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Stop the Scrotes posted:Hey QM if there is a single mother with six children and she has been unemployed for the past decade do you think that: a) it's probably not a good idea for her personally, no b) yes c) yes d) yes, especially compared to some of the things we piss taxpayer money away on. Mills posted:Cos it's a basic loving human right she should be allowed to have another six if she wants, gently caress you Yes, it is, well done.
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Stop the Scrotes posted:i dont understand how you reconcile a & d They have nothing to do with each other. Reproductive rights aren't something the government should interfere with.
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You'll end up paying for it somehow. Welfare is cheaper than prison. With reasonable support there's a good chance they'll become productive members of society anyway.
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quote:Hey QM if there is a single mother with six iPads and she has been unemployed for the past decade do you think that:
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