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Just did some catching up and....Luisfe posted:
Love Edith/Maude fort warms cat blob. Litter genie vid is bizarre.
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Trig Discipline posted:that is literally what a nose is A nose is about half of that. It can detect chemicals in the air that the dog associates with food. The dog has no way of knowing it needs to ingest more vitamin B, for example.
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Dec 31, 2014 02:33
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then again, cats go loving nuts for ear wax
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Dec 31, 2014 02:38
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Good Dog posted:
Shifty Pony posted:dogs just can't resist the kitty almond roca 
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Dec 31, 2014 02:48
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yo whats the calendar status, my wallet is getting hot
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Dec 31, 2014 02:48
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Deteriorata posted:A nose is about half of that. It can detect chemicals in the air that the dog associates with food. The dog has no way of knowing it needs to ingest more vitamin B, for example. except pretty much every animal can understand on some level what nutrients they might be missing and get cravings for those types of things like, that's a basic survival instinct
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Dec 31, 2014 02:48
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Cat won't shut up Shut up cat!: http://youtu.be/rrxMjzeXRco Cat broken
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Dec 31, 2014 02:49
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Goodpancakes posted:Cat won't shut up thats a feature
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Dec 31, 2014 02:50
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Goodpancakes posted:Cat won't shut up CLOSED: WONTFIX
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Dec 31, 2014 02:51
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You can turn the video off. The cat doesn't turn off
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Dec 31, 2014 02:51
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EVGA Longoria posted:except pretty much every animal can understand on some level what nutrients they might be missing and get cravings for those types of things No they don't. It's an old myth. Cravings have nothing to do with nutrient deficiencies. http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/cravings-why-they-strike-what-to-do
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Dec 31, 2014 02:52
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Goodpancakes posted:You can turn the video off. The cat doesn't turn off welcome to my life
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Dec 31, 2014 02:53
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Deteriorata posted:No they don't. It's an old myth. Cravings have nothing to do with nutrient deficiencies. did you actually look at that research? because as far as i can glean it says that you don't have to be deficient to crave something (i.e., sometimes cravings are driven by other cues), not that deficiencies can't cause cravings. not my area at all, but from what i'm reading atm it seems to be an ongoing argument in the field and webmd saying it's a myth from that research is completely unjustified.
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Dec 31, 2014 03:02
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and weirdly enough, the very scientist they cite has an abstract that reads in part "In contrast to a number of other researchers, we found a relationship between dietary restrictions and cravings."
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Dec 31, 2014 03:03
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Trig Discipline posted:did you actually look at that research? because as far as i can glean it says that you don't have to be deficient to crave something (i.e., sometimes cravings are driven by other cues), not that deficiencies can't cause cravings. not my area at all, but from what i'm reading atm it seems to be an ongoing argument in the field and webmd saying it's a myth from that research is completely unjustified. There is no correlation between food cravings and nutritional needs. People short in vitamin C do not crave citrus fruits any more than people with sufficient vitamin C. Emotionally, we want there to be a correlation so that we feel justified in eating that half bag of Oreos (it must have contained some nutrient we needed). Your body has very little feedback to your brain other than telling you to eat something or to drink.
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Dec 31, 2014 03:10
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idk where you live but how the heck did third shift make its way there
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Dec 31, 2014 03:10
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Goodpancakes posted:Cat won't shut up this is a good cat. sing along imo
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Deteriorata posted:There is no correlation between food cravings and nutritional needs. People short in vitamin C do not crave citrus fruits any more than people with sufficient vitamin C. Emotionally, we want there to be a correlation so that we feel justified in eating that half bag of Oreos (it must have contained some nutrient we needed). i'm really curious where you're getting this, because you're saying some really strong stuff here with no evidence. what about iron deficiencies and pica?
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Dec 31, 2014 03:13
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dogface craves cat poo poo because it is nutritious AND delicious
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Dec 31, 2014 03:14
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i'm legit interested in learning about this, btw, because if what i've always heard is bullshit i'd like to know that. the literature i'm looking at seems way more ambiguous than what you're saying though and i'm legit baffled that there's so little work on it. there's a whole bunch of poo poo about how to control cravings in dieters, but that's not at all the same thing
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Dec 31, 2014 03:14
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Trig Discipline posted:i'm really curious where you're getting this, because you're saying some really strong stuff here with no evidence. what about iron deficiencies and pica? http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/cravings-why-they-strike-what-to-do quote:CONCLUSIONS: (1) The pathogenesis of pica is unclear, although it appears unrelated to the degree of iron deficiency. (2) According to the findings in this series, pica seems a consequence of iron deficiency rather than its cause. (3) Adequate therapy can cure both conditions, although pica may reappear upon relapse of iron deficiency. Pica does not induce people to eat stuff containing iron. It is a neurological problem that causes people to eat all sorts of non-food items. The odd eating behavior is not a search for iron, it is just a mechanical behavior.
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Dec 31, 2014 03:18
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Deteriorata posted:There is no correlation between food cravings and nutritional needs. People short in vitamin C do not crave citrus fruits any more than people with sufficient vitamin C. Emotionally, we want there to be a correlation so that we feel justified in eating that half bag of Oreos (it must have contained some nutrient we needed). yeah no one is saying "all cravings are related to nutrition" because obviously there's a lot of reasons to crave poo poo and huge endorphin rushes are a hell of a drug but there's some evidence to suggest cravings can be triggered by nutritional deficiencies for some nutritional deficiencies
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Dec 31, 2014 03:18
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this is actually really interesting stuff trig proves he is a wizard by performing alchemical magic that turns cat poo poo posts into pure gold
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EVGA Longoria posted:yeah no one is saying "all cravings are related to nutrition" because obviously there's a lot of reasons to crave poo poo and huge endorphin rushes are a hell of a drug I will agree with that, but there's no way for the craving to be a search for a specific nutrient. A nutritional deficiency may induce you to just eat more food generally, which would cause you to get more of all nutrients, not just the one you're short on. So your body can tell you to eat, but it can't tell you to eat an apple specifically because you need some nutrient in it.
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Deteriorata posted:http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/cravings-why-they-strike-what-to-do as a scientist, lemme just say please don't ever cite webmd for anything again. it looks like you're right about a lot of deficiencies not being associated with nutritional deficiencies which is really interesting. wrt pica, though the evidence seems really strong that iron deficiencies can in fact cause pica. i guess it's an open question whether that's due to the deficiency per se or just because your brain is hosed up due to iron deficiency and one of the side effects of that is pica, but i don't know how you'd even get at that
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Dec 31, 2014 03:26
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and i'm seriously interested to learn this, so thanks for bringing it up
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fwiw here's a bunch of papers about iron and pica http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=pica+deficiency&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2010
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Dec 31, 2014 03:28
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weeeeird, compulsive ice chewing is also associated with iron deficiency anemia
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holy poo poo this is bizarrequote:Pagophagia (compulsive ice chewing) has long been associated with iron deficiency anemia, but prior attempts to account for this craving have been unsatisfactory. We hypothesize that chewing ice triggers vascular changes that lead to preferential or increased perfusion of the brain. This would result in increased alertness and processing speed in anemic patients, but not in healthy controls who are already at ceiling, and would explain why anemic individuals crave ice. Preliminary support for this hypothesis was found in two studies. In Study 1, non-anemic subjects reported very low rates of pagophagia (only 4%) while anemic subjects reported significantly higher rates (56%). In Study 2, chewing ice dramatically improved response time on a neuropsychological test, but only for anemic individuals. In a small randomized controlled trial, iron deficient anemic subjects and healthy controls were assigned to chew ice or drink tepid water and then took a continuous performance test that measures response time, response time variability, errors of impulsivity and errors of inattention. In the water condition, anemic subjects performed significantly worse than healthy controls. Chewing ice had no effect on the performance of healthy controls, but significantly improved the performance of anemic patients. Potential explanations include activation of the dive reflex, which would lead to peripheral vasoconstriction and preferential perfusion of the brain or, alternatively, sympathetic nervous system activation, which would also increase blood-flow to the brain. like even if their hypothesis is bullshit, the data is cray
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Trig Discipline posted:as a scientist, lemme just say please don't ever cite webmd for anything again. That's the point. Iron deficiency can cause pica, but it's no more meaningful than vitamin D deficiency causing rickets. People with pica ingest all kinds of stuff that has no nutritive value at all, so it's clearly not a search for iron. It's just neurons misfiring.
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graph posted:idk where you live but how the heck did third shift make its way there it's a coors product so I imagine rather easily?
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Goodpancakes posted:Cat won't shut up
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Deteriorata posted:That's the point. Iron deficiency can cause pica, but it's no more meaningful than vitamin D deficiency causing rickets. People with pica ingest all kinds of stuff that has no nutritive value at all, so it's clearly not a search for iron. It's just neurons misfiring. do you know a study that actually demonstrates that? because i dont' know how you'd actually test it
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devmd01 posted:it's a coors product wtf the label when a buddy got it said it was brewed in ohio
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Dec 31, 2014 03:34
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graph posted:wtf the label when a buddy got it said it was brewed in ohio
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oh hey i just learned about rapunzel syndrome and saw a picture and i think i may be done looking at papers about dietary problems now 
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Dec 31, 2014 03:35
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but yeah it's owned by Coors
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Trig Discipline posted:do you know a study that actually demonstrates that? because i dont' know how you'd actually test it You would test it by seeing if people with pica are driven to consume iron-containing foods. If pica was a response by the body to cure the anemia, this association should exist. It does not. People with pica ingest all kinds of crazy stuff, much of which contains no iron at all, that has nothing to do with curing their anemia. Thus the hypothesis fails.
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Deteriorata posted:You would test it by seeing if people with pica are driven to consume iron-containing foods. If pica was a response by the body to cure the anemia, this association should exist. but there are multiple causes of pica, have people shown experimentally that iron deficient picanauts (or whatever they're called) don't prefer iron-containing stuff? if so, it's interesting to me that there's still so much literature that assumes a relationship. seems like a paradigm with clutch problems
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oh poo poo 50 some posts in an hour let me check what happened. cat poo poo happened you're all actually poo poo posting
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