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fatherboxx posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-AhrJuYxP4 My god. I have no words to this. That could have ended very bad for everyone but didn't. It is both saddening and scary that the current protest has no such mass. People getting hurt is not a good thing. Especially good people. But looking at the current protests, the critical mass can only be done by police doing something very stupid or some government official making a bad decision. Which is probably one of the reasons that it is pretty quiet. Nothing does anything, the protest disperses. However the idiots with the st George ribbons look like rangers of apocalypse spouting poo poo like "Be afraid USA..." Fake edit: Seems a lot of cops being brought into the square.
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Here comes OMON train. Choo choo! e: Ouch, that poor bastard got messed up.
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Looks like several dozens of OMON have entered the crowd and started separating the crowd. Edit: Seems like two groups of activists are confronting each other, lawkeepers seem  on the side.Edit2: I like how neither of groups is able to form coherent chant that would sound like at least 1/10 of their population. Edit3: Also I think something is wrong with me, because of all comments in YouTube chat I managed to pick out "Skyrim for nords!" 
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So how much do you reckon is spent on PR for Putin? Going off some quickly searched articles it might be ~4mil a year paid by the Russian government to make Putin look as good as possible. Probably doesn't count his personal staff that follows him around snapping 1000s of pics for the one or two good ones. Is that strange? What other governments do that specifically for their head of state besides North Korea?
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Woops, looks like OMON battalion. Also, I don't even have a remote idea on spendings to make Putin look good. I've never actually thought about it. Though probably it's common for a lot of states, depending on the degree though.
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What are those two guys in the middle doing? e: Ooooh, they're chanting Maidan e2: And now Navalny e3: Someone just took a selfie with a riot cop
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Dec 30, 2014 18:43
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my dad posted:What are those two guys in the middle doing? The NOD guys were chanting "Maidan nepraidiot" which is basically "Maidan shall not pass". The nod peeps are from here Edit: The sweep has begun
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Guys in middle tried to decided if they want to fight or not. A wild OMON battalion appears.
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Karmalis posted:The NOD guys were chanting "Maidan nepraidiot" which is basically "Maidan shall not pass". Oh. Well, that explains a lot. OK, looks like someone is trying to talk to the police leader (I think?). e: Some woman is screaming a lot.
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Karmalis posted:
Well, they are there to beat people up, not for intelligent dialog.
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my dad posted:e: Some woman is screaming a lot.
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Dec 30, 2014 18:51
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Maaan, that's alotta cop. e: It was just a very bright gadget. e2: What's the police announcer saying? It's too muffled for my lovely Russian. my dad fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Dec 30, 2014 |
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Dec 30, 2014 18:52
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Well so ends the protest. Seems that people are being pushed towards metro stations so they could "easily go home".
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With a whimper...
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Well poo poo, looks like I picked the wrong time to get an oil change for my car. Mechanic had lovely wifi anyway.
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my dad posted:e3: Someone just took a selfie with a riot cop 
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Dec 30, 2014 20:38
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Looks like someone at the exchange office in Minsk is having trouble keeping up with the exchange rate. 
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Looks like someone at the exchange office in Minsk is having trouble keeping up with the exchange rate. Not a bad price for pi.
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Dec 31, 2014 00:02
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Tainen posted:!!! The cia told him to shoot protesters?
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drilldo squirt posted:The cia told him to shoot protesters? That does sound like something the CIA would do. Also the FSB.
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Tainen posted:!!! As a leftist, get bent.
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Tainen posted:!!! http://youtu.be/aDTwO0TlwOU
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Tainen posted:!!! I don't understand what any of these words mean except that somehow the CIA is involved 
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Dec 31, 2014 01:34
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What was really awful about rewatching the Wild Palms miniseries that he produced, outside of the '90s infatuation with virtual reality, was the bit where he appears on a talk show where the host congratulates Stone on being right about the JFK assassination after the files were released and what he would say to his critics in the then-future year of 2007.
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Dec 31, 2014 01:51
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Tainen posted:!!! So incompetent Russia was tricked into invading by the willy machinations of the CIA? People are pulling out every excuse in the book in an attempt to absolve Russia of any criticism for annexing a portion of it's neighbor.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:So incompetent Russia was tricked into invading by the willy machinations of the CIA? People are pulling out every excuse in the book in an attempt to absolve Russia of any criticism for annexing a portion of it's neighbor. The CIA couldn't machinate its way out of a paper bag.
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Dec 31, 2014 01:59
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Oliver Stone is a loving loon.
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Stone, regrettably, falls roughly into the camp of "People who think that because America has done lovely things, that anybody America dislikes must be doing something right." What's ironic and sad is that he is outspoken about how he disapproves of American meddling in Latin American politics, but apparently supports Russian meddling in East European politics. They're roughly the same thing - puppet governments propped up by violence and fear and supported from abroad by a powerful state.
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Cuntpunch posted:Stone, regrettably, falls roughly into the camp of "People who think that because America has done lovely things, that anybody America dislikes must be doing something right." What's ironic and sad is that he is outspoken about how he disapproves of American meddling in Latin American politics, but apparently supports Russian meddling in East European politics. They're roughly the same thing - puppet governments propped up by violence and fear and supported from abroad by a powerful state. Same loving thing happened around Yugoslavia. They were so entrenched to show how this was a NATO conquest they ended up denying genocide and ignoring Serbian actions. They became a big hit amongst Serbian far right.
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StandardVC10 posted:The CIA couldn't machinate its way out of a paper bag. They can certainly machinate people into wet paper bags.
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Cuntpunch posted:Stone, regrettably, falls roughly into the camp of "People who think that because America has done lovely things, that anybody America dislikes must be doing something right." What's ironic and sad is that he is outspoken about how he disapproves of American meddling in Latin American politics, but apparently supports Russian meddling in East European politics. They're roughly the same thing - puppet governments propped up by violence and fear and supported from abroad by a powerful state. That and some people just root for the underdog by default. America is the dominant power so anything that challenges it must be good - no need to define what exactly the alternative would be and how it would be preferable.
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Yeah, it is even worse for people who are disgusted by both.
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StandardVC10 posted:The CIA couldn't machinate its way out of a paper bag. The cia are officially sanctioned goverment sociopaths and I wouldn't put anything past them.
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drilldo squirt posted:The cia are officially sanctioned goverment sociopaths and I wouldn't put anything past them. Neither would I. But covertly manipulating the character of Ukraine's opposition doesn't seem like something they'd be good at.
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I think the clearest cut argument to make is: it doesn't matter what the CIA was planning, since it is clear the public at large had enough of Yanukovych and the protests were far too broad to have been made up. Denying EU association really pissed Ukrainians, largely as a whole, off. The CIA and the IMF are something else, but the Ukrainians made their own choice.
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StandardVC10 posted:Neither would I. But covertly manipulating the character of Ukraine's opposition doesn't seem like something they'd be good at. I think the info released from the torture documents mostly indicates that the CIA is a bunch of sociopathic morons who not only encourage harming innocent people even if it's proven not to work, but will lie their asses off to ensure continued funding and lower scrutiny. A lot of conspiracy theorists like to pretend that they're covertly controlling the world, but most available info suggests that they're less Illuminati and more Bad Corporation.
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chitoryu12 posted:I think the info released from the torture documents mostly indicates that the CIA is a bunch of sociopathic morons who not only encourage harming innocent people even if it's proven not to work, but will lie their asses off to ensure continued funding and lower scrutiny. You posted a lot of words that are rather confusing. I don't see how the CIA torture documents have anything to do with Euromaidan. I'm also pretty sure conspiracy theorists aren't controlling much of anything, and Adam Weishaupt wasn't nearly as powerful as the comic books want you to believe.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:You posted a lot of words that are rather confusing. I don't see how the CIA torture documents have anything to do with Euromaidan. I'm also pretty sure conspiracy theorists aren't controlling much of anything, and Adam Weishaupt wasn't nearly as powerful as the comic books want you to believe. I meant the conspiracy theorists think the CIA is controlling the world. My point behind the torture documents is that they give great insight into exactly how the CIA operates, and the answer is that they're not only incompetent but also lie about their competency so they can keep everything running how they like it.
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chitoryu12 posted:I meant the conspiracy theorists think the CIA is controlling the world. So they're incompetent, but still criminally genius enough to covertly stage an uprising in Ukraine?
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