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They were flown out (as confirmed in articles, etc). Apparently the cars fell into the hands of the mob. I got around to watching The Perfect Road Trip 2. For a "road trip" they did way too many laps around tracks. Frankly, it'd be better if it were one long sequence of Hammond and Clarkson challenging each other to get to a specific place first, and then Clarkson doing something Hammond didn't expect to come in ahead.
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Data Graham posted:It was a rare little sight into the Jeremy under the Jeremy. For that reason alone this would have been kind of a landmark episode. And on that bombshell.
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Dec 30, 2014 06:37
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the spyder posted:For how long they drew out the special, I would love to know two things: How they got out and the state of the cars today. I would put good money on the hosts being flown out and the cars being torched. Like letting go when I'm screaming I'm about to cum, the climax of the whole ordeal was ruined in editorial. While they've been pretty transparent about how they got out and why and how it all ended, I'm also surprised none of it was mentioned or filmed or shown in the final episode. When it gets tidied up with a Cassidy reference it is a very neat local news story kinda wrap up rather than the messy ordeal that it should've been. I'm saying they gave Argentina the benefit of the doubt on this and that's terrible.
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Dec 30, 2014 10:21
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The cars are currently in a garage in Argentina, or maybe they are in a junkyard. http://www.elpatagonico.net/nota/263120-ahora-los-ingleses-quieren-recuperar-los-autos-de-top-gear/#galleryintv01962v5
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Dec 30, 2014 15:14
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I like how the article repeats for a fact that the plates were falsified in order to refer to the war (including the one about the "number of fatalities").
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Dec 30, 2014 15:43
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tuna posted:I'm saying they gave Argentina the benefit of the doubt on this and that's terrible. I'm glad they did that, there's a whole country of Argentinians out there that didn't show up and threaten an entertainment program about cars because they're not insane.
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Dec 30, 2014 15:54
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What have topgear done? Russia are sending su-24s to Argentina (trading them for food rather than selling in some arms deal) http://www.janes.com/article/47293/uk-reviews-falklands-defence-as-russia-offers-su-24s-to-argentina http://theaviationist.com/2014/12/29/su-24-fuerza-aerea-argentina/
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Dec 30, 2014 16:47
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The plate thing is something that top gear is probably dumb enough to try at some point: but they clearly didn't do it in this case. The chance of finding that Porsche 928 for sale, buying it and then organising a special based around it all for a plate that isn't that explicit seems a little too subtle for top gear. Instead they'd do something a lot more open and blatant like the slogan thing they always used to do, and I think that its obvious that Top Gear wouldn't put their crew in that sort of danger especially over a very small thing (the America thing is a counterpoint to that: but I think that was based on an assumption that "American people wouldn't go and try to shoot at people with silly slogans on their car, right???") Although knowing their record and the way that Argentina have a stick up their arse over the Falklands (fanned by the Argentine government to distract people from the lovely Argentine economy) they probably should have double and triple checked everything to try and catch something like that before they flew out just so they could organise a plate replacement to prevent that sort of anger...
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Dec 30, 2014 16:48
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My favourite part about the Falklands war was not a numberplate, but bringing those old V bombers out of retirement and doing that insane operation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck  Can we move on?
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Dec 30, 2014 16:50
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The American south thing was entirely different. No one cared about their slogans. They only were in danger when some crazy lady called up some good ole boys to harass them. Even then, I don't think anyone in the south of the US is dumb enough to actually attack people with a big film crew.
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Dec 30, 2014 17:33
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Cojawfee posted:The American south thing was entirely different. No one cared about their slogans. They only were in danger when some crazy lady called up some good ole boys to harass them. Even then, I don't think anyone in the south of the US is dumb enough to actually attack people with a big film crew. Also the American South one was probably set up and fake.
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Dec 30, 2014 20:31
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FogHelmut posted:Also the American South one was probably set up and fake. Yeah, I think they admitted as much. Just like a lot of the "damage" during the hovercraft episode was staged. On the other hand, they've been inescapably clear that the Argentina situation was real and dangerous.
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Dec 31, 2014 00:10
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That special was great! Probably my 2nd favorite next to the Vietnam one.
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Dec 31, 2014 01:39
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IceAgeComing posted:The plate thing is something that top gear is probably dumb enough to try at some point: but they clearly didn't do it in this case. The chance of finding that Porsche 928 for sale, buying it and then organising a special based around it all for a plate that isn't that explicit seems a little too subtle for top gear. Instead they'd do something a lot more open and blatant like the slogan thing they always used to do, and I think that its obvious that Top Gear wouldn't put their crew in that sort of danger especially over a very small thing (the America thing is a counterpoint to that: but I think that was based on an assumption that "American people wouldn't go and try to shoot at people with silly slogans on their car, right???") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rkw_N9pNms
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Dec 31, 2014 01:55
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Vitamin J posted:According to James May on this interview the chances of getting a 928 with that number plate was actually 1 in 2: May does a great job on this, he delivers some very reasonable points with sincerity. I honestly believe that Clarkson specifically wanted a 928 and found that particular one in good nick, and nobody gave a second thought to the number plate while inspecting and purchasing the car. I still have a hard time believing that no one on the staff of a show known for being politically incorrect and delivering Even if the crew were aware of the plate the Argentinian reaction was entirely uncalled for and, if anything, I feel that it painted a small group of their population in a very poor light. There's something to be said for mob mentality regardless of the locale or motivation; with editing the footage portrays the Top Gear staff in a very positive light, but the hands-in-the-air "we didn't do it THIS time" strikes me a bit sour. They certainly managed to create quite the media storm around the thing, though...any press is good press.
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One thing I wish either James or the radio host had mentioned was specifically the notion that Top Gear has, in the past, made number-plate-based jokes. And they're prone to repeating gags that have worked in the past (they're still getting mileage out of Hammond's teeth). There was that episode a few years back where they had the small classic British sports cars, which had plates that Clarkson pointed out were oblique anagrams of oval office and GOSH and LIAR. Now, I missed the audio of that portion, so I was under the impression that it was just a couple of lingering camera shots of the plates that everyone in this thread was chuckling about, and I thought it was just a "thing" with British number plate culture that you're supposed to be able to infer really esoteric words from muddled-up letters interspersed with random numbers. That, plus the fact that all three of the cars had "anagram" plates, and that all of them were pointedly shown to relate to their drivers in some way, made it seem like they had specifically chosen the cars for their plates. That means it felt like it was possible that they had pulled strings of some kind to deliberately do a plate-based gag here, whether because maybe the Argentinians don't know the intricacies of the British plate system very well (hell, the rules are entirely different for every US state), or because they'd found the car first and then created the concept of an Argentina (excuse me, Patagonia) special in which they could at least share some knowing smirks with the camera and give some nods to Britain's military history the way they'd done recently in Ukraine and Iraq. So what I'm saying is, I wish James had at least said, "Yes, I know we are known for having done number-plate-based gags in the past, but believe it or not, this was simply a coincidence; before we had even started looking for cars to buy, we had decided we wanted to go to Argentina for the following very compelling reasons, none of which had to do with gloating about the war." Data Graham fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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Cellular Suicide posted:In part one they even made reference to the fact that there was another rego being processed and a new plate was being shipped to Ushuaia, so obviously they had some idea that it could potentially be offensive. They had another plate in the trunk that said BE11END. Argentina took some more offense to that as they thought Top Gear was calling all of Argentina a bell end.
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Dec 31, 2014 03:49
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Usually whenever they do any of those number plate, or "Peniston Oils" gags, they're blatantly obvious, sure I suppose you could hide it a bit with some tricky editing, but I think if the number plate was meant to stir something up it would have been as blatantly obvious as every other time they do it.
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Dec 31, 2014 04:36
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Seriously, Top Gear is as subtle as Jeremy's character.
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The best thing to come of this is that I got lost in Wikipedia for 2 hours reading about the Falklands war and South American politics.
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Dec 31, 2014 06:58
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This is the show where they rode through Vietnam being followed by a motorocycle painted like the American flag with Born In The USA blaring on loop the entire way
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Dec 31, 2014 06:59
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Top Gear was tipped off that the plate might've been offensive via Twitter right as they arrived to film. Someone got the word out to Clarkson himself. There wasn't much they could do to swap in a legal plate.
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Dec 31, 2014 07:08
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Drakkel posted:This is the show where they rode through Vietnam being followed by a motorocycle painted like the American flag with Born In The USA blaring on loop the entire way On the US edit of the show they were playing something else for fear of offending people (but still left the snarky comments- which now made NO sense). Seriously- anyone who has it on Amazon can attest to this.
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Dec 31, 2014 07:11
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West SAAB Story posted:On the US edit of the show they were playing something else for fear of offending people (but still left the snarky comments- which now made NO sense). Seriously- anyone who has it on Amazon can attest to this. You sure it was because they didn't want to offend US audiences? TGUK changes music for US airings due to licensing issues.
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holocaust bloopers posted:You sure it was because they didn't want to offend US audiences? TGUK changes music for US airings due to licensing issues. Wikipedia doesn't really say why, but did note that they did use the Star Spangled Banner on both Netflix and iTunes versions of TGUK. I doubt it'd be difficult to get Bruce to take more money, but my statement was entirely speculatory. It was intended to be both tongue-in-cheek and quasi-serious.
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West SAAB Story posted:Wikipedia doesn't really say why, but did note that they did use the Star Spangled Banner on both Netflix and iTunes versions of TGUK. I doubt it'd be difficult to get Bruce to take more money, but my statement was entirely speculatory. Well he never got any money. Due to the BBC being publicly funded, the show never has to pay for music. That's why some bits get changed for US audiences.
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holocaust bloopers posted:Well he never got any money. Due to the BBC being publicly funded, the show never has to pay for music. That's why some bits get changed for US audiences. I figured they'd have to be shown here in the states. BBC America has commercials, and I assume that revenue travels back for the licensing here.. I can't see that working otherwise.
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The way I heard it works is that the copyright law in the UK states that SOMEONE needs to be paid for the rights. So the BBC has set up a company to be paid for music they want to use. The rights holders can then get the money from that company. This has some interesting effects since they never need to negotiate for the rights to use a particular piece of music they can do cool things like use movie soundtracks which can normally only be licensed for the movie it was written for. But when they release outside of the UK, they need to follow international law. My favorite example is actually when they dropped Pink Floyd's "money" for some random funky sounding tune that fit in not at all with what's on screen or when they have to replace the A-Team theme for build montages.
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Dec 31, 2014 08:05
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West SAAB Story posted:Huh. I done learned something today. yes but my memory was not quite correct. from the Final Gear Forums: quote:First, the use and distribution of any copyrighted music in a TV show (or any other medium) is subject to the permission of the copyright owner. This is theoretically true throughout the western world. However, BBC Television (UK) has the afore-mentioned blanket agreement with a British performing rights society called PRS. It grants BBC TV that permission for any music represented by PRS (which is a large amount, but finite). Now, this is only for broadcast in the UK. Instead of paying individual licences to each copyright holder, BBC TV pays a sum fee for this right and saves millions. http://forums.finalgear.com/top-gear/bbc-music-rights-48688/ edit: Also I've read that certain acts (U2) have an agreement to keep their music from being used in this way.
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PT6A posted:Yeah, I think they admitted as much. Just like a lot of the "damage" during the hovercraft episode was staged. On the other hand, they've been inescapably clear that the Argentina situation was real and dangerous. Not really: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ
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West SAAB Story posted:Wikipedia doesn't really say why, but did note that they did use the Star Spangled Banner on both Netflix and iTunes versions of TGUK. I doubt it'd be difficult to get Bruce to take more money, but my statement was entirely speculatory. It was intended to be both tongue-in-cheek and quasi-serious. In a weird twist, the Star Spangled Banner would actually work better for the joke. Born In the USA is emphatically not a jingoistic song. It's on a level with Every Step You Take for songs that people chronically misinterpret in really alarming ways.
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Data Graham posted:In a weird twist, the Star Spangled Banner would actually work better for the joke. Born In the USA is emphatically not a jingoistic song. Born in the USA is a song about a guy going to Vietnam and later being poo poo on by everyone back at home. It kind of fits.
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Data Graham posted:In a weird twist, the Star Spangled Banner would actually work better for the joke. Born In the USA is emphatically not a jingoistic song. Every presidential election here in the US we have a conservative rally playing 'Born in the USA'. Kind of says it all really.
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In Australia we have "Khe Sanh" and it's something people would start singing when drunk. It was pretty much the standard unofficial national loving anthem mate, what the gently caress you lookin' at?. It also happens to about a Vietnam veteran with severe PTSD and drug addictions looking to die. But, one hell of a chorus. Now I wonder if every country has a song like that?
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Data Graham posted:In a weird twist, the Star Spangled Banner would actually work better for the joke. Born In the USA is emphatically not a jingoistic song. Yes, and No. As already stated the song was about a Vietnam vet, and it is basically what made Bruce the start he was in the 80s. Contextually, it is a bit more brash than playing SSB. What is it with the Police and people trying to draw meaning from Sting songs? I mean, "De Do Do Do - De Da Da Da" means exactly what? I'm sure it is something racial or snide if it plays over Clarksons' bits, but that is a given. 
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I don't know anything about prices in UK but those cars were mint, must have been the most expensive cars they trashed on the show, especially that esprit, it was not the base model. I made a few searches on classifieds and a good condition 91 928GT in manual is around 13k€ ($16k) and the only v8 esprit I could find was 39k€ ($47k)
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Yeah, I don't want to think what a Mach 1 Mustang costs in the UK.
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Sh4 posted:I don't know anything about prices in UK but those cars were mint, must have been the most expensive cars they trashed on the show, especially that esprit, it was not the base model. I made a few searches on classifieds and a good condition 91 928GT in manual is around 13k€ ($16k) and the only v8 esprit I could find was 39k€ ($47k) Didn't they leave the lotus more or less intact? The pickup hackjobs of the other two seemed unnecessary but the lotus looked like it was just fine shortly before the end. E: And considering the cost of flying out cars, 30+ crew, etc for several weeks, 50k for cars isn't that much. I believe they stated they lost over 100k of camera equipment alone. Ika fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 31, 2014 |
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