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Miltank posted:We could call the new police something different so they wouldn't be police anymore. Thats not up to me though they will need a panel of experts to decide on it probably. Ooh! We can call them Overseers. Wait.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:25
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Spacman posted:What does it say? That is a good question for a semi-illiterate to ask.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:26
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Bip Roberts posted:That is a good question for a semi-illiterate to ask. Well, if you can't form a coherent argument I guess I'm done here. I cant argue with people who don't understand how a thesis works.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:29
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Spacman posted:What does it say? I would have assumed you're being intentionally difficult, but since the post I was responding to was barely coherent, I believe you. I gather that you're taking exception to the other guy's paraphrasing of what that article says, rather than the credibility of the source?
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Dec 27, 2014 00:31
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PostNouveau posted:I would have assumed you're being intentionally difficult, but since the post I was responding to was barely coherent, I believe you. Paraphrasing of the article. Very generous.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:33
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Spacman posted:Well, if you can't form a coherent argument I guess I'm done here. I cant argue with people who don't understand how a thesis works. No please don't go! We need valuable insight from folks like yourself to help solve problems troubling our community!
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Dec 27, 2014 00:33
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Spacman posted:Paraphrasing of the article. Very generous. Alright, well that's between you and him, but don't you go making GBS threads on the Post-Dispatch. Those people do good work 
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Dec 27, 2014 00:34
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PostNouveau posted:Alright, well that's between you and him, but don't you go making GBS threads on the Post-Dispatch. Those people do good work I apologise if you took offense. My point was that police are people, I cant see there being a big issue with that statement. I think that police are people, if you hate police I think there is no difference between you and a racist or a homophobe. If you hate black people you are a racist, if you hate homosexuals you are a homophobe. There is no difference if you hate police. You just think it is an acceptable prejudice, much like hating homosexuals or black people was, that's all I'm trying to say. If you hate the police you are prejudiced to a specific subset of society. Spacman fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Dec 27, 2014 00:41
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Spacman posted:I apologise if you took offense. My point was that police are people, I cant see there being a big issue with that statement. I've already said I think it's OK to stereotype based on their chosen professions. I've no desire to keep running in a circle where you just go "careers = race" over and over again like you're actually making an argument.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:45
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So the NYPD is demanding: 10% raise over 2 years 10% "anti-terrorism" raise for all officers 10% raise for those with 60 college credit or 2 years of military service 20% raise for those with a post graduate degree $2000 raise for cops who have worked 22 years 12% raise for cops with 8+ years of experience still on patrol free parking for cops' personal cars $200 increase in welfare fund payments All backpay within 30 days (or city pays 3% interest) backpay going back to 1999 for money city saved by reducing headcount Bonus for not taking sick days, up to $1600 a year Retroactive wage increase going back to 2010 as a result of pension changes Until then, they're in work stoppage. Thank god: http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/ quote:It’s not a slowdown — it’s a virtual work stoppage. Seriously though, DeBlasio really ought to start firing people
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Dec 31, 2014 18:51
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Something tells me NYPD has the mayor so bent over that if he does fire people, he's going to end up costing the city more than it would to meet their demands.
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Dec 31, 2014 18:54
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Wow, and Reagan fired most of the air traffic controllers in the country for far less…
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Dec 31, 2014 18:55
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How does pay for the NYPD compare to other large metropolitan police forces? Have there been long term wage freezes or anything like that?
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Dec 31, 2014 18:57
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I'm not opposed to collective bargaining unions for public employees, as long as they contain prohibitions on strikes. This seems really immature.
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Dec 31, 2014 18:58
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ActusRhesus posted:I'm not opposed to collective bargaining unions for public employees, as long as they contain prohibitions on strikes. This seems really immature. NYPD isn't striking though.
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Dec 31, 2014 18:59
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They're not doing their jobs, it's basically the equivalent.Solkanar512 posted:How does pay for the NYPD compare to other large metropolitan police forces? Have there been long term wage freezes or anything like that? Base pay is at $44k during police academy. Pretty low to start off with, but it but rises to $90k after 5.5 years. Plus pension and pretty good benefits. None of that includes overtime pay, which is often quite substantial.
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Dec 31, 2014 19:03
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What I would give to be a fly on a wall in these union and city meetings.
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Dec 31, 2014 19:09
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Xandu posted:So the NYPD is demanding: Does this actually mean anything, or are they just using an arbitrary buzzword to ask for more money?
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Dec 31, 2014 19:13
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Does this actually mean anything, or are they just using an arbitrary buzzword to ask for more money? Do you want another 9/11? 
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Dec 31, 2014 19:16
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Does this actually mean anything, or are they just using an arbitrary buzzword to ask for more money? I think you know the answer  The argument is their workload has increased post-9/11 and this raise is needed to reflect that.
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Dec 31, 2014 19:22
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I hope they disband the entire force and start over.Grem posted:Something tells me NYPD has the mayor so bent over that if he does fire people, he's going to end up costing the city more than it would to meet their demands. Can someone expound on this? I'm curious as to how solid a case a police force might have if they all got unilaterally fired and sued over it in civil court. Anyone got the inside scoop on how police unions contract with cities like New York?
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Dec 31, 2014 19:22
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TheSpiritFox posted:I hope they disband the entire force and start over. lol if you don't think everyone involved will be falling over themselves to meet every demand the cops have.
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Dec 31, 2014 19:27
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Does this actually mean anything, or are they just using an arbitrary buzzword to ask for more money? They're looking for a 10% differential. NY state troopers got something similar after 9/11.
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Dec 31, 2014 19:27
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ActusRhesus posted:I'm not opposed to collective bargaining unions for public employees, as long as they contain prohibitions on strikes. This seems really immature. I know in Canada, some positions, healthcare workers, police and firefighters mostly, are considered essential services, and thus not allowed to strike, but nonessential services, like teachers or bus drivers, are. Does the US or NY state not have something similar?
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Dec 31, 2014 19:34
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Meat Recital posted:I know in Canada, some positions, healthcare workers, police and firefighters mostly, are considered essential services, and thus not allowed to strike, but nonessential services, like teachers or bus drivers, are. Does the US or NY state not have something similar? Yes we do (depending on the state and service). But what the NYPD is doing would not fall under the strike category because everyone's still showing up for work.
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Dec 31, 2014 19:37
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Oh no! Broken Windows policy isn't being executed! Flee the city! I'd like to think this slowdown will show how the policy does not actually decrease "major" crime, but gently caress it. All this is going to demonstrate is how much revenue Broken Windows brings in.
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Dec 31, 2014 19:50
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Xandu posted:Base pay is at $44k during police academy. Pretty low to start off with, but it but rises to $90k after 5.5 years. Plus pension and pretty good benefits. None of that includes overtime pay, which is often quite substantial. For comparison Firefighters start off at $39k rising to $76.5k after five years. While Paramedics start off at $44k rising to $59k after five years.
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Dec 31, 2014 20:45
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drat that's pretty good money, I guess it's not good money in NYC but 44k would be considered a pretty high wage for any job here.
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Dec 31, 2014 20:50
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$44k would be fat cat fuckin rich in my hometown. I'm not going out tonight because I'm broke as all hell, so instead I will be watching what happens in NYC with cops off the beat. 
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Dec 31, 2014 20:53
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Hell 90k after 5 years is still good money on NYC you're not going to be living on the Upper East Side but you can live comfortably. they get a sweet deal this cop I know all he talks about is just 5 more years and he can get his retirement money and leave the liberal hell hole of NYC to go live in Costa Rica.
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Dec 31, 2014 20:55
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KomradeX posted:Hell 90k after 5 years is still good money on NYC you're not going to be living on the Upper East Side but you can live comfortably. Unless you mean the golden zip along Park, you can easily live in UES for 90k.
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Dec 31, 2014 21:16
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Xandu posted:10% raise over 2 years Are these cumulative? Because goddamn, that's a 20% raise before other stuff is even factored in. 30% if you're a vet or went to community college. I really hope DeBlasio just tells them to gently caress off, or even better raises EMT salaries while he's doing it if they're only getting $56K to a cop's $90K.
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archangelwar posted:Unless you mean the golden zip along Park, you can easily live in UES for 90k. Good point, but yeah 90k plus the money they make from over time which easily pushes it into the 100k range which if you can't live in NYC on 100k you have to have an out of control coke problem or something.
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While it is generally dealing with salaries greater than $90k the chart on this page compares buying power in various cities across the country with buying power in New York: http://www.nalp.org/buying_power_index_class_of_2011 $90k seems a pretty good deal even in NY.
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Alkydere posted:Are these cumulative? Because goddamn, that's a 20% raise before other stuff is even factored in. 30% if you're a vet or went to community college. It won't be cumulative. It's two annual 5% raises over the span of 2 years compared to DeBlasio looking for a single 1% raise over the same period. The 10% is a differential so that would be factored into the base rate before hand.
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Dec 31, 2014 21:33
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ayn rand hand job posted:It's two annual 5% raises over the span of 2 years compared to DeBlasio looking for a single 1% raise over the same period. Is there a list of what DeBlasio has offered them? 1% over 2 years is a solid 'gently caress you,' it puts the NYPD's equally silly demands in perspective.
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Dec 31, 2014 21:52
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Xandu posted:10% "anti-terrorism" raise for all officers
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Dec 31, 2014 22:19
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Misogynist posted:Is this a good time to bring up how much more likely Americans are to be killed domestically by police officers than terrorists? maybe this is like a weird way of phrasing a "good behavior incentive"
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Blorange posted:Is there a list of what DeBlasio has offered them? 1% over 2 years is a solid 'gently caress you,' it puts the NYPD's equally silly demands in perspective. http://www.nycpba.org/archive/ch/14/ch-141223-contract.html Keep in mind source
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