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That card is so so good. RW Aggro is going to be a top tier deck.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Does Flamewake attack after being brought back from the yard, or is it too late? He can. In fact he must attack.
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Jan 2, 2015 19:43
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AlternateNu posted:I just want to throw it out there that the worst part of this set is that over the course of 1280 years,, Tarkir had apparently no appreciable evolution in technology or societal structure even after the extinction of one of its most powerful species. Someone photoshop this to say 'THE HOLE LEFT BY THE DRACONIC DARK AGES' tia 
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Jan 2, 2015 19:48
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Trail Of Mystery, of all cards, is in high demand on PucaTrade right now. Is this possibly because of manifest? Otherwise it still seems like a bad card.
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Jan 2, 2015 19:50
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InterrupterJones posted:Trail Of Mystery, of all cards, is in high demand on PucaTrade right now. Is this possibly because of manifest? Otherwise it still seems like a bad card. People on Pucatrade just really really like dumb jank.
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Jan 2, 2015 19:59
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Elyv posted:Mardu Shadowspear is a better Pulse Tracker, but I don't remember that card seeing any play. Pulse Tracker saw a ton of play in the zendikar standard in vampires. He and Lacerator were th one drops the deck played. http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck_search_result.asp?CardName=Pulse%20Tracker
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Jan 2, 2015 20:02
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Count Bleck posted:People on Pucatrade just really really like dumb jank. Hooded Hydra is also bonkers on PucaTrade now as well, I also have a ton people looking for foil Hootin' Mandrils 
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Jan 2, 2015 20:03
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BXCX posted:Hooded Hydra is also bonkers on PucaTrade now as well, I also have a ton people looking for foil Hootin' Mandrils Hey, maybe it'll be good. Maybe.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:04
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BXCX posted:Hooded Hydra is also bonkers on PucaTrade now as well, I also have a ton people looking for foil Hootin' Mandrils
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Jan 2, 2015 20:10
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BXCX posted:I also have a ton people looking for foil Hootin' Mandrils I have a Russian foil. Looks like I'll be paying off my mortgage early! 
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Jan 2, 2015 20:10
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mcmagic posted:That card is so so good. RW Aggro is going to be a top tier deck. Is someone piling up predictions? Can we start a game where we take assertive claims during spoiler season and see how they line up with how the post pro-tour season actually turns out? I'm actually curious because spoiler season is wonderful because of predictions like these - not making an individual callout it's just always amusing when people contend a deck will be top-tier after seeing one card in less than half the set.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:10
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vOv posted:Someone photoshop this to say 'THE HOLE LEFT BY THE DRACONIC DARK AGES' tia Please stop this image is very triggering
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Jan 2, 2015 20:10
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Boco_T posted:Well I'm definitely going to unload my foil Trail of Mystery for whatever garbage point value I can get (looks like around 150). Should I hold the foil Hooters? It was just in my bulk foil box but now I see it's also at 150. Is anyone playing it in an eternal deck yet? It's not showing up as appearing in any decks on mtgtop8, maybe it'll be a thing someday but who knows. I'd send mine off but I'm sticking to 500+ point trades for now because  and puca goes nuts around spoiler season so I'll just wait out the madness.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:21
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InterrupterJones posted:Trail Of Mystery, of all cards, is in high demand on PucaTrade right now. Is this possibly because of manifest? Otherwise it still seems like a bad card. Last FNM I went to, I sat next to a guy running five-color morph control using this card to ramp into fast Sagu Maulers or a Chromanticore finisher (with Ashiok backup?) Don't sleep on Trail of Mystery.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:21
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C-Euro posted:five-color morph control ... Chromanticore finisher
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Jan 2, 2015 20:25
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Brutal Hordechief is basically a better Hellrider. Seems crazy good with any sort of wide strategy.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:29
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C-Euro posted:Last FNM I went to, I sat next to a guy running five-color morph control using this card to ramp into fast Sagu Maulers or a Chromanticore finisher (with Ashiok backup?) Don't sleep on Trail of Mystery. Likewise, I'd love to see a decklist like that. Maybe it's time to buy a few prerelease Trails before they possibly hike up in price.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:32
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Cool, those goblin tokens that Rabblemasters are spitting out by turn 3 are gonna be even better by turn 4. I wish that 3/2 Mardu token generator was better, though.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:45
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InterrupterJones posted:Likewise, I'd love to see a decklist like that. Maybe it's time to buy a few prerelease Trails before they possibly hike up in price. I wish I had a list but I forgot to ask him (also he was in the running for some prizes so it seemed like bad form),and it was a few weeks ago so the memory is a little faded. Trail, Chromanticore, Ashiok and Sagu Mauler were definitely there and I would guess Rattleclaw and Elvish Mystic too. I also saw Plummet but it was probably a sideboard card. On the off chance I see the guy again I will definitely try to get a list, a month or two before that I saw a different guy running Temur Morphs powered by the same card.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:49
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So what happens if you Supplant Form a dragon-y Sarkhan?
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Jan 2, 2015 20:53
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I'd like Trail of Mystery a lot more if it put the lands on the battlefield tapped instead of in my hand. Though I guess 2 mana to get an extra land every turn after T3 is way more than they want to give.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:55
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Unoriginal Name posted:So what happens if you Supplant Form a dragon-y Sarkhan? You get a 4/4 flying indstructible hasty red legendary dragon named "Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker" with a casting cost of 3RR and a bunch of loyalty abilities that can't be activated because it's not a planeswalker. It stays a creature forever and doesn't turn back into a planeswalker because you're just copying what it is at that moment, you aren't copying the delayed trigger that turns him back into a planeswalker at the end of turn. Similar to how if you Clone an animated Mutavalt you get a 2/2 land creature that never stops being a creature.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:58
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Unoriginal Name posted:So what happens if you Supplant Form a dragon-y Sarkhan? You get an indestructible 4/4 dragon I think. The trigger to turn it back to a planeswalker was on Sarkhan, not an abillity that the dragon he becomes possesses.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:58
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With that phoenix I'm thinking it's time to grab the red devotion list out of the old bin and start seeing what can be done with it. Need more red symbols!
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Jan 2, 2015 20:59
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Entropic posted:Brutal Hordechief is basically a better Hellrider. Seems crazy good with any sort of wide strategy.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:02
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No, you get an unanimated Sarkhan, The Dragonspeaker with the appropriate amount of loyalty counters he would come into play with. Also - a Clone copying Mutavault would also be an unanimated Mutavault - not a permanent 2/2. EDIT: To clarify, Clone or whatever Clone effect you play applies at Layer 1. The ability that changes Sarkhan (or Mutavault) into a creature and removes their previous types is applied to the permanent you choose to copy at Layer 4. So, when you cast Clone, Sarkhan is a legal choice to copy since at the time you play it, he's a creature, but you are copying the base card - not just his current stats. Emerson Cod fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 21:04
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Deofuta posted:With that phoenix I'm thinking it's time to grab the red devotion list out of the old bin and start seeing what can be done with it. Need more red symbols! Still unplayable without Burning-Tree, Ash Zealot, and Frostburn.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:04
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I'm guessing the gist of the mechanics changes is that the Abzan and Mardu reflect that now they don't fight the dragons, and focus on how they survive against the other clans. They're similar in how their mechanic meets flavour; Dash for example reflects the Mardu's speed and swift attacks as does Raid, but the former is necessary to get in and attack before running away and not getting swatted by a big-huge-gently caress-off dragon, and the latter how the Horde grows itself and prospers from plunder off the other clans. Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 21:05
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Entropic posted:You get a 4/4 flying indstructible hasty red legendary dragon named "Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker" with a casting cost of 3RR and a bunch of loyalty abilities that can't be activated because it's not a planeswalker. It stays a creature forever and doesn't turn back into a planeswalker because you're just copying what it is at that moment, you aren't copying the delayed trigger that turns him back into a planeswalker at the end of turn. Pretty sure if you copy an animated Mutavault you get a Mutavault that isn't a creature. When you copy something you get what's written on the card plus any copy effects, so if you clone a clone that's a copy of a grizzly bears you get a grizzly bears, not another clone. If you clone a creature with Song of the Dryads on it, you'll get a copy of that creature, not a basic forest. In this case you would return Sarkhan to hand, then you'd get a token planeswalker named Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker with the type Planeswalker - Sarkhan, 4 loyalty counters, and all the text that exists on Sarkhan. e: beaten by an edit 
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Jan 2, 2015 21:06
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Emerson Cod posted:No, you get an unanimated Sarkhan, The Dragonspeaker with the appropriate amount of loyalty counters he would come into play with. Also - a Clone copying Mutavault would also be an unanimated Mutavault - not a permanent 2/2. Correct. If you copy a grizzly bear that is Giant Growthed you don't get a 5/5 bear. The idea is basically the same.
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Kabanaw posted:If you clone a creature with Song of the Dryads on it, you'll get a copy of that creature, not a basic forest. Can you clone a Song of the Dryads'd creature under normal circumstances? I wouldn't think it would work because the game doesn't see it as a creature.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:09
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suicidesteve posted:Can you clone a Song of the Dryads'd creature under normal circumstances? I wouldn't think it would work because the game doesn't see it as a creature. Vesuva would work.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:10
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suicidesteve posted:Can you clone a Song of the Dryads'd creature under normal circumstances? I wouldn't think it would work because the game doesn't see it as a creature. No. Because it's not a valid target of Clone. As far as the game is concerned it's a land.
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suicidesteve posted:Can you clone a Song of the Dryads'd creature under normal circumstances? I wouldn't think it would work because the game doesn't see it as a creature. Right - because its type is changed so that its no longer a creature, it is no longer a legal choice for Clone even if underneath all of those layers there's a perfectly Cloneable creature card.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:11
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suicidesteve posted:Can you clone a Song of the Dryads'd creature under normal circumstances? I wouldn't think it would work because the game doesn't see it as a creature. In most cases it can't, but I'm using "clone" as a verb here more than the card itself, and it's possible to do it with Thespian's Stage. Which is actually super funny, as it will stop being a land and become that creature with the text "{2}, T: ~ becomes a copy of target land and gains this ability."
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I thought activated type-changing abilities like those basically for all intents and purposes changed the text of a card until the end of the turn rather than using layers like P/T changing stuff does. I could be wrong though.Algid posted:If by better you mean significantly worse than yes that is what it is. Really? You're trading haste for lifegain on the attack triggers + that activated ability. Entropic fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 21:12
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Hellrider is more powerful as an aggressive card, but Brutal Hordechief is more midrange-y because of its second ability. You're trading an immediate 4 extra damage for some lifegain and the ability to decide combat and keep all but your worst creature alive. Despite their similar stats they're pretty different cards.
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Jan 2, 2015 21:17
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So, is anyone else seeing Red/White Tokens as a thing? Get tokens every time you trigger Prowess, tap the ones you've already got so you can cast Stoke and still have mana to buy it back with the new two drop bear?
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Jan 2, 2015 21:20
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qbert posted:Still unplayable without Burning-Tree, Ash Zealot, and Frostburn. I can't hear you over the sound of my massive nykthos fueled craters claws 
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Entropic posted:I thought activated type-changing abilities like those basically for all intents and purposes changed the text of a card until the end of the turn rather than using layers like P/T changing stuff does. I could be wrong though. For most intents and purposes, yes. However, when you copy something, you look at the base card (or, if you're copying a token or face down creature, its base "text" and copiable attributes, ignoring any effects or abilities applied in any of the layers). For reference, the layers are below. Anything applied in any of these layers unless the copying ability explicitly states otherwise is ignored. Layer 1: Copy effects are applied. Layer 2: Control-changing effects are applied. Layer 3: Text-changing effects are applied. Layer 4: Type-changing effects are applied. These include effects that change an object’s card type, subtype, and/or supertype. Layer 5: Color-changing effects are applied. Layer 6: Ability-adding and ability-removing effects are applied. Layer 7: Power- and/or toughness-changing effects are applied. EDIT: I say ignored, but that presumes that the object you're copying is a legal choice and/or target for the ability/spell you're using.
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