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GhostofJohnMuir posted:American goons, did they ever get into the labor strife we've had in this country in your high school history classes? I took AP classes and poo poo, and no one ever talked about the Battle of Blair Mountain or any of the labor movement really. Just a big label of "There be labor trouble here," slapped over the entire period. Rural Kentucky School District made sure we knew all about the various forms of Yankee Oppression that have been visited upon our verdant Appalachian homeland, yes. Glossed over the era when the urban labor movement got real traction and was used to mobilize political/social will for real progress, of course. The framework we got was more that the exploitative practices of the gilded age and the early 20th were a continuation of bad Reconstruction policies. Which is partly accurate but ignores the nationwide scope of the issue. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:;_; If it makes you feel any better I feel kinship with your good intention, but I work in the public sector where people come to public meetings to openly worry about buildings being more than two floors tall...
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Rappaport posted:Just read Stanislaw Lem all day every day. Very yes. Start with the Cyberiad to ease into his style.
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paranoid randroid posted:
Why would you do that to yourself? I started reading it twice, gave up more or less in the same area. "Oh, we are making banana everything, let's waste pages on this", then some other boring stuff. Drop the stream-of-consciousness poo poo, Pynchon, you're no loving Joyce.
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I read it last year via audiobook. There are good parts and there are parts that drag bc of lack of mid 1900s pop culture reference knowledge and I don't know if I would be able to get through it without someone else doing the reading because that way I was able to tune out during the parts that dragged on. There is also a lot of people doing each other in hip and exciting new ways e: why would you say "no james joyce" like that's a good thing. It was better than ulysses which was filled with even more referential horseshit. I don't want to have to have a degree in the Classics to be able to enjoy something because it relies so heavily on reference. also in gravity's rainbow, the bananas were penises. the rockets were penises. parabolas were penises. everything was dick Rodatose fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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haha you didnt even make it to the actually dense stream of consciousness stuff. farthest ive gotten that i remember is the scientist on the V2 base having a hosed up sex-roleplaying relationship with some people as Hansel and Gretel, and apparently that's still not even close to the weirdest part.
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slothrop detects incoming rockets b/c he was conditioned as a child to anticipate loud noises by getting a boner
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paranoid randroid posted:haha you didnt even make it to the actually dense stream of consciousness stuff. farthest ive gotten that i remember is the scientist on the V2 base having a hosed up sex-roleplaying relationship with some people as Hansel and Gretel, and apparently that's still not even close to the weirdest part. paranoid randroid posted:slothrop detects incoming rockets b/c he was conditioned as a child to anticipate loud noises by getting a boner Oh, ffs. Glad I didn't read farther than I did.
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the weirdest is probably either the coprophilia scene or the fascist pedo incest fantasy chapter
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I haven't read a single book in 2015, and my 2014 readings didn't include a single 'good' book
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the nice thing about gravity's rainbow is it makes everything else pynchon wrote seem positively breezy by comparison. i knocked out vineland in like two weeks. i deeply appreciate his commitment to inserting song & dance numbers into his books.
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paranoid randroid posted:commitment to inserting song & dance numbers into his books. I don't know why so many authors do this.
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Rappaport posted:Just read Stanislaw Lem all day every day. One can assume I've read the classics, thank you. I was hoping for something that'd tell me SF wasn't reduced to a dead Men's Adventure genre. Warcabbit fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:American goons, did they ever get into the labor strife we've had in this country in your high school history classes? I took AP classes and poo poo, and no one ever talked about the Battle of Blair Mountain or any of the labor movement really. Just a big label of "There be labor trouble here," slapped over the entire period. What you need to understand about America is that the history of labor strife was erased in a totalitarian mindwipe fashion, some were jailed, others were killed to prevent kids learning of it. It was more important to erase than any other history.
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Warcabbit posted:One can assume I've read the classics, thank you. I was hoping for something that'd tell me SF wasn't reduced to a dead Men's Adventure genre. Would the Invincible been better had Rohan been a woman? What is your precise criticism here?
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SedanChair posted:What you need to understand about America is that the history of labor strife was erased in a totalitarian mindwipe fashion, some were jailed, others were killed to prevent kids learning of it. It was more important to erase than any other history. Don't you know that MLK was never closely tied to labour, and that he never protested the Vietnam war?
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Rodatose posted:I read it last year via audiobook. There are good parts and there are parts that drag bc of lack of mid 1900s pop culture reference knowledge and I don't know if I would be able to get through it without someone else doing the reading because that way I was able to tune out during the parts that dragged on. i can't imagine reading it via audiobook. it get pretty dense at certain parts and the voice would just keep going while i try to process what i just heard like with just about any decent book i sometimes read stuff and then look away and stare contemplatively. it would be weird for the book to just continue while i do that
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Joementum posted:Do they still do that thing where they challenge each other to read a book a week and then count comic books? I believe the term you're looking for is graphic novels. See, novels, right there in the name 
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Rappaport posted:Would the Invincible been better had Rohan been a woman? What is your precise criticism here? Two different thoughts, sorry. 1: I've read the classics, including Lem. 2: I was hoping for something new that wasn't Space Opera/Men's Adventure Fiction. You know, like A Fire Upon the Deep. Maybe something like Di Filppio. New author, new ideas. Don't get me wrong, I like some Tom Clancy Plus Power Armor on occasion, but I feel the need for mindbreaking ideas.
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i was gonna make a thread called "The Way to the End of the Goat: Mario Vargas Llosa Megathread!" in the book barn but it would probably get two replies
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Disinterested posted:Don't you know that MLK was never closely tied to labour, and that he never protested the Vietnam war? I'm pretty sure MLK was interested in labour activities as far as it concerned his numerous affairs' husbands leaving the house for work. 
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baw posted:i can't imagine reading it via audiobook. it get pretty dense at certain parts and the voice would just keep going while i try to process what i just heard I just counted all the audiobooks i've read over the last year and a half, it's 68. though like 5-10 of those are only short stories or novellas so they shouldn't count. I could list them all in case someone sees a book they were thinkin about reading I can say more about it. I wouldn't want to just list them all offhand because it would be a large post. Rodatose fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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Jan 3, 2015 19:55
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Rodatose posted:I just counted all the audiobooks i've read
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I've read a bunch of Michael Chabon lately and this fact makes me feel oddly guilty for some reason
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Yeah, it just winds up feeling vaugely self-indulgent, doesn't it?
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The man cannot write an ending to save his life
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Neither can Neal Stephenson, of course. (Which qualifies as Men's Adventure Fiction, really, most of the time.)
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not scifi, I'm finishing up East of Eden and The Cold Song. I'd recommend both
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Dr. Faustus posted:I've listened to a buncha songs on songlyrics.com. morrissey, the prince of good singing and words posted:Why did you give me/ so much desire/ when there is nowhere I can go/ to offload this desire
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Warcabbit posted:Neither can Neal Stephenson, of course. the last 50 pages or so of snow crash was like the only good part
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Jan 3, 2015 20:10
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Morrissey's lyrics are very problematic, though.
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ok I take that back. gentlemen of the road had an ok ending.
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morrissey's lyrics are hilarious and a good way to brighten up any rainy day
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baw posted:i was gonna make a thread called "The Way to the End of the Goat: Mario Vargas Llosa Megathread!" in the book barn but it would probably get two replies mario vargas llosa more like mario vargas llosowns
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Rodatose posted:morrissey's lyrics are hilarious and a good way to brighten up any rainy day He uses the word dyke and dislikes Oliver Cromwell, though.  (I only care about one of those things.)
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The Warszawa posted:mario vargas llosa more like mario vargas llosowns people kept thinking i was reading World War Z because i have this edition of War of the End of the World 
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baw posted:people kept thinking i was reading World War Z because i have this edition of War of the End of the World Ohhh, that's a nice cover.
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i bought it in a book store somewhere, i think it was the second book of his i read after picking up The Way to Paradise at a book shop in Madrid. the barnes and nobles i've been to in the US haven't had the latter but it's still my favorite book of his that i've read https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai6NlNs7kHk i also like his nobel prize acceptance speech 
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Guys I had a culinary experience today  Olives on a dago beef. Olives! E: Lunch chat, tell me you wouldn't eat this 
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