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Arcade Rabbit
Nov 11, 2013

Blastinus posted:

Truth be told, the introductory chapters of the game might have taken too long to get the game going properly. We only formed a full party, what, three or four updates ago, if that? I mean, I know that the original Earthbound didn't give you your entire party for a while, but for some reason, it just feels like it took longer here.

Maybe it's a case of different pacing. I can't say for sure.

This is basically my thought on it. The pacing felt a bit awkward in the beginning, but as a whole I'm enjoying the LP and game. My only real complaint is just how in your face the Tazmilly section after the timeskip was, but as others have pointed out its more subtle than that which I appreciate. I just wish it was a little less subtle. And I guess I wish Lucas didn't do the silent protagonist routine. Having everyone be silent for their own perspective chapters was a very nice touch, but I really wish they developed Lucas' character more. I'd love to see what he has to say about everything that's been happening and has happened.

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Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Arcade Rabbit posted:

And I guess I wish Lucas didn't do the silent protagonist routine. Having everyone be silent for their own perspective chapters was a very nice touch, but I really wish they developed Lucas' character more. I'd love to see what he has to say about everything that's been happening and has happened.

I disagree. A silent protagonist allows you to put yourself in his shoes, so you can fill in what he's thinking. This way, different players can see this game in a different light. For instance, there's an interesting discrepancy where most gamers will see technology as something that's good, but in this game it specifically leads to bad things. People are going to deal with that in different ways, and having Lucas tell you how you should see things would make this theme less interesting.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Lucas does actually speak once, but it's very easy to miss.

Mega64 posted:



Talking to this Pigmask again has Lucas parrot "Strictly in a friend sense!" Which is easy to write off as the Pigmask repeating dialogue unless you take a closer look at the text box and Lucas' sprite.

Blastinus
Feb 28, 2010

Time to try my luck
:rolldice:
Crap.

Carbon dioxide posted:

I disagree. A silent protagonist allows you to put yourself in his shoes, so you can fill in what he's thinking. This way, different players can see this game in a different light. For instance, there's an interesting discrepancy where most gamers will see technology as something that's good, but in this game it specifically leads to bad things. People are going to deal with that in different ways, and having Lucas tell you how you should see things would make this theme less interesting.

I find it rather interesting how this game does the silent protagonist bit, specifically that part where Duster says something to Flint, and then when it switches to Duster, it shows Flint's response.

The implication there is that the protagonist isn't silent, per se, but that whenever you're controlling someone, their dialogue can't be heard. Lucas can talk, and he did talk when other characters were in the forefront, but so long as he's the focal character, we won't be able to see him talk.

Variant_Eris
Nov 2, 2014

Exhibition C: Colgate white smile

Blastinus posted:

I find it rather interesting how this game does the silent protagonist bit, specifically that part where Duster says something to Flint, and then when it switches to Duster, it shows Flint's response.

The implication there is that the protagonist isn't silent, per se, but that whenever you're controlling someone, their dialogue can't be heard. Lucas can talk, and he did talk when other characters were in the forefront, but so long as he's the focal character, we won't be able to see him talk.

While the game does that for the most part, Lucas is the only one who's completely silent. We see Duster and Flint conversing in Chapter 1, as well as Salsa's chatters in Chapter 7. But from Chapters 4-8, Lucas does not talk at all, even when we're temporarily in control of another party member:


Variant_Eris fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jan 2, 2015

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
Please edit out those spoilers, thank you.

frozentreasure
Nov 13, 2012

~

Variant_Eris posted:

I want Flint in our party. That's all I want. A Lucas-Duster-Kumatora-Flint team would be awesome.

When you're good at combos, Boney's speed actually makes him quite useful as a quick attacker, especially if you know you can down an enemy with just his attacks or in one party turn and want to move things along.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Variant_Eris posted:

I want Flint in our party. That's all I want. A Lucas-Duster-Kumatora-Flint team would be awesome.

I've never played this game before, and only caught up with this LP on a fellow goon's recommendation, but considering this:

Mega64 posted:



The Flea Charm and the Running Bomb are guaranteed for your first visit, and occasionally the loot will reset from plot stuff. Rarely you may see the Better Stick, which is Flint's ultimate weapon, but I didn't bother save scumming for it.
and this:

Mega64 posted:



Now that I have some free space (and after I go back to Kumatora's room frog to withdraw some cash), I buy a nice weapon upgrade for Lucas. If you have the spare cash, a Pencil Rocket isn't a bad investment, even though it's pretty expensive for an attack item, and you might want some Antidotes if you don't have any.

Through revealing that a fairly low-level upgrade for Lucas is apparently Flint's "ultimate weapon", I think Mega may have unintentionally spoiled how incredibly unlikely it is that we're getting Flint back.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
Actually, Flint can equip most of the same weapons that Lucas can, with a few exceptions (including a weapon we'll see the next update).

Variant_Eris
Nov 2, 2014

Exhibition C: Colgate white smile
If I remember correctly, Flint's best weapon is Lucas's Mystical Stick. Unfortunately, he can't equip Lucas's best weapon, but considering how meager of an upgrade it is, it wouldn't be worth it anyways.

On the other hand, it'd be neat to have Claus in the party. However, outside of the prologue, he's useless and can't equip anything, so it wouldn't be worth it anyways.

Well, assuming that you don't cheat. That's what the Mother 3 Save Editor is for.

Variant_Eris fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jan 3, 2015

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

That robot that gives you DP based on how long you charge it isn't a good way to get lots of money. It speaks a couple of words, pauses for a half a second, and repeats this process a lot. Combined with the fact that you can only get 100 DP maximum, it's a horribly inefficient way to get money. Just beat up enemies instead.

Bright Smile can also show up in the long tunnel on the west side of the highway, between the two sets of Road Blocks. When I look for it, I leave the Pork Bean because you kill it if you run into it while driving. It takes a lot of time.

Don't throw away the sweater. You'll get some nice NPC flavor text later if you hang on to it.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.






Did you ever find that embarrassing item of yours that you accidentally threw away?



The last area of this chapter is the Thunder Tower that's been hyped up. It's actually not that long of a section, with the main thing slowing you down being all the Pigmasks to talk to.



I'll separate the Pigmask dialogue for your convenience. The first room lets you restore your health, access your items (don't ask why the Item Guy's lounging around here), buy stuff from the vending machine (which I forgot to do), and a map.



We start in the lower-right corner. There are two paths to get to the center room, which we need to do to go up. As for why we're going up, well, it's a tower. It would be a violation of everything in the world of media to not climb it.

I'll circle around to show off both paths because why not. And once we get to the middle room, the path becomes pretty linear because, well, it's a tower.



This is a good area to use Saltwater Guns. I grab the two I have.



There's a few new enemies for this part.







So, Whatever...



It's pretty ineffective, actually. It apparently does a bunch of weird stuff, but nothing that's remotely threatening. He's also very vulnerable to Sleep and Feeling Strange.

As for its partner?





The Minor Robot is easily the biggest threat of this floor, and even then it's more of a nuisance, especially with free healing back at the first room. It's weak to lightning, as you'd expect.





It'll do physical attacks, but its scariest attack is throwing a Bomb for good damage at the entire party.





It'll also inflict sleep on a party member sometimes.



Its batteries can also die and leave it vulnerable.



After backtracking to heal up, Lucas picks up Healing Beta, which will restore all status effects on a character besides KO. I haven't yet seen an instance where a character has more than one status effect, especially since my characters are usually good at dodging them (besides Kumatora, who seems to be the only one who gets hit with them).



On the way back, I get a 3% drop from the Minor Robot, which is a Bomb, the next attack item tier up from the Pencil Rocket. I really need to start using these older-model bombs. Hopefully future bosses won't have a high Bomb Defense (yes, there's Bomb defense in addition to elements, status effects, and DCMC fanboyism).

Anyway, let's go up and move around the area counter-clockwise.



Past another room with the same enemies and a couple Pigmask NPCs, we meet a new enemy in the northeastern room.





Battery Man is the last new enemy on the first floor, and it's a pushover, especially considering it's weak to Sleep and Ice.





It can cast a weak thunder attack on three different party members and do a similarly weak physical attack. It can also sacrifice itself to recharge the Minor Robot's batteries. Not too threatening.



It's kinda worth going both paths to get the loot here.



This room will lead us to the center. There's a lot of Pigmasks here, but I'll save their dialogue for in a little bit. Let's complete our circle first.



I accidentally let Boney get KOed. When an ally is KOed, you can't run on the map or change their equipment. Not a big deal since again free healing in this area.



They also look exhausted on the map screen.



In case you threw out your old one.



...Moving on.



Once we loop back around, we reach this room.





So the things powering the lightning blasts? Electric catfish.



New helmet for Lucas and Boney. Lucas is wearing something better right now, so it'll go on Boney once he recovers.



All that walking around and fighting stuff means I learn a lot of new PSI this update. Kumatora picks up Brainshock Alpha, which inflicts Strangeness (aka confusion).





Here's the middle room. Before we finish this area, let's do Pigmask dialogue.





You're here to destroy Thunder Tower, aren't you?! ...That's what I'd say if any suspicious people snuck inside. So, as you can see, security here is airtight.

Power levels have been low lately, so some of the machinery in the tower is a tad unstable. I wish the guys in the generator room would get their act together.



Oh, are you here to check the latest stats on our lightning damage? It's zap-kaboom perfect!





So a special type of trap's been installed in the generator! I suppose in RPG terms, it would be your so-called "mid-boss"!

No problem here. ...is what I'd like to say, but the generator defense system partway up the tower is really buggy. We'd be in such huge trouble if any bad guys snuck in! Yeah, that generator defense system further up the tower... Things could get real ugly quick.

Tomorrow's lightning schedule has arrived, so I'm trying my best to program it all in. It's tough work, especially when dry-eye starts to set in.

The tower part of Thunder Tower is full of areas that are always short-circuiting. It's really dangerous, so please don't go up there.

Today's weather forecast... Tazmily region: Sunny, with occasional lightning in places. Mt. Oriander region, Cerulean Beach region: Lightning, once preparations are complete.

Yeah, I went and visited that Tazmily place for the first time the other day. And then, well... I'm not quite sure how to put it, but...charred? People who disobeyed all had their houses charred. We're doing terrible things here, aren't we?

Commander. Have you changed your party members? And that dog-like fellow in the very back... He certainly is dog-like. Like the way he walks, for instance. That's so cute.





And if that happens, our mean, scary boss will get mad. And if that happens, I'll get lumps on my head.

Oh, yes. Mr. Fassad is here at Thunder Tower. He seems the same as ever.

I hear rice with egg on top is all the rage lately. Is that like "going back to basics" or something? I don't really get... Ahh! C-Commander! The "rice with egg on top" I just mentioned...It's actually a technical term meaning that the generator's danger...is in danger!

I wish they would make some new, angry catfish at the Chimera Lab. Huh?! You don't know about the Chimera Lab?! Surely you're joking again!





BOO!! GWAAARGH!! BLAAAH!! ...They seem to have grown used to our scare tactics lately. They never get surprised anymore. BOO!! GWAAARGH!! BLAAAH!!

You can do it, catfish!

Present power output... Just a little over 10 kilozaps... Yeah. Power output's really fallen.



But he's a hardcore DCMC fan, so giving him DCMC merchandise will put him in a good mood just like that.





The DCMC logo is boldly printed on it. (Three more are being kept in storage.)



(Another set is being kept in storage.)



(Another one is being kept in storage.)

Take a wild guess on our next boss (seeing the guy in the pics blocking the path up doesn't count).



So you came all the way here to visit me, kiddos? You got the best of me last time only 'cause I was in my ordinary clothes... But now that I'm in my combat suit, it's "Handle With Care" time!









The Fierce Pork Trooper is very similar to the last time you fought him, except beefed up. That includes his weakness to DCMC products, which I ignore here because beating stuff legit is a fun challenge.





This is the only new attack I saw, hitting two people for good damage. Good thing I debuffed him a bit first.





After awhile, he gets angry.



I assume he's charging for a super move here.



I say "assume" because I beat him before he does anything else.



Also, the bosses here give a ton of EXP.



At any rate, the Fierce Pork Trooper's gone for good now.



You may think you're a good impersonator, but you can't fool my eyes!





Unfortunately, looks like Fassad's caught up with us.





The pain and woe I went through after that Drago sent me flying... I realy must repay that favor in full. Nwehehehehe!!









Do you honestly think you can escape?! Nwehehehehe...!





That's better. Much easier to move around now.



Nowhere to go now but up.



Got another one of these things I'll probably never use. Or maybe I will just to see the trivia on them.







While climbing up, you'll run into Screwlooses (Screwleese? What's the plural for Screwloose anyway?).



They're pushovers, weak to Strangeness and Lightning. Occasionally they may call for help, but I never saw it happen.



Otherwise, it's an uneventful trek up to here. At this point...





Uh, OK. I wasn't expecting that.

Sorry, I was lying. I was expecting that because I'm using a walkthrough to make sure I don't miss anything. But you probably weren't expecting this, though. Unless you've played this before, then you may or may not have been expecting this depending on whether you remember this part.

I'm sure there's someone reading this who didn't expect this, though, so I'll say this was unexpected on your behalf.



More free healing at least.



So there's quite a bit to this room. As the song title may have hinted, this place belongs to someone very important.





Magic Butterfly out of nowhere!



You know, something like this appeared in Earthbound.



You could ride bicycles in Earthbound, but not this game sadly.



It almost seems like it could take your place for you...

Which is funny because it could in Earthbound, acting as a damage sponge (yes I'm explaining the joke).



You can also turn on this jukebox.



Which plays two different songs. Guess which previous game in the series that I've already mentioned three times that these songs are from?









Those Rubber Capes will come in handy later. Which is why I don't bother buying them.



So we've got the first letter of the name of the leader of the Pigmasks.



Oh yeah and Lucas learns Counter, which reflects half the physical damage an enemy deals to the protected target back to the enemy. Pretty expensive PP-wise, though.



This will be handy for sure.







SURPRISE!



You're not doing the whole "surprise" thing correctly, Surprise Box.





It's vulnerable to numbness so why not show off the animation for Paralysis Alpha. It's got a bit of HP, but you're also in a room with free healing so no reason not to unload powerful PSI on it. Which is a good idea because apparently it can cast Fire Beta.

One more optional thing we can do in this room.



MAD! MAD! VERY MAD MAD MAD MAD!!!!!!









No choice in not taking the Yo-yo, now we must fight Li'l Miss Marshmallow.





She really does not like Lucas. It's not huge damage, at least.



She'll also scan people for some reason.







And this is about the point where the fight gets challenging.







She's a robot, so I use a Saltwater Gun on her. It helps.



At any rate, same strategy of buffs/debuffs and healing/wailing.



THE NUMBER YOU HAVE DIALED IS CURRENTLY OUT OF PORK CHOPS



OH SO SOW SEW BROKEN *whir* *clank* *clunk*





Anyway, we did all that to steal a yo-yo.



Lucas, Duster, and Kumatora can all use it. Lucas is the obvious choice since Kumatora has attack PSI and Duster's shoes are still stronger. I'm pretty sure the yo-yo doesn't have the same low accuracy that they do in Earthbound (yes I mentioned Earthbound again ahaha). In fact, I don't think accuracy exists other than crying reducing it and maybe a couple enemies being hard to hit possibly?

Whatever, let's finish this place.



We're getting near the top.



And there's one last enemy to fight.





This guy can be pretty dangerous.





Here, he used Thunder Beta, which casts Thunder on two targets, hitting Duster and Lucas for over a hundred damage each. It can also apparently use PK Flash.





H-hey, Lucas! Are you alright?!







Speaking of PK Flash, hitting this spot results in Lucas getting hit by lightning, learning PK Flash in the process.



One of the walkthroughs I'm using says the ratio of what effects PK Flash will inflict are 60% crying, 15% paralysis, 10% strangeness, 10% instant death, 5% nothing. I don't know if it's different for each enemy or chooses one effect for the entire field. At any rate, not that useful for boss fights since it's so unpredictable, but probably useful for the tougher regular encounters (though it's a shame it's so expensive).





Meanwhile, in learning new PSI from ways that don't involve being struck by lightning, Kumatora learns PSI Magnet Alpha, which drains 2-8 PP from a target. Definitely very useful for Kumatora in dungeons, letting her spam offensive PSI more often. Meanwhile, Lucas learns PSI Shield Alpha, which is similar to Shield except for PSI attacks. Pretty sure it doesn't work for thunder attacks, sadly.



At any rate, we're finally near the end.



So it means it's time to fight a boss.



ACTIVATING DEFENSE SYSTEM! REPEAT! ACTIVATING DEFENSE SYSTEM! ALL PERSONNEL, IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU'D EVACUATE IMMEDIATELY!













Meet the chapter boss (and not a mid-boss like that stupid Pigmask said earlier). This guy can be very challenging and scary if you didn't buy and equip Rubber Capes earlier.

I didn't, of course, because I want a challenge.



First thing I do is use my other two Saltwater Guns on him. He has 3333 HP, and he's powerful and threatening enough that it's definitely worth using them on him.



He doesn't use many physical attacks, but it's nice to reduce the chance of being hit by the ones he does use.





Because they hurt.



After the usual buffs (Offense/Defense down on the boss, Offense Up on Duster and Boney and sometimes Lucas, ignoring Shield and PSI Shield for this fight), Kumatora goes on healing duty.







Another big thing is that while Mr. Genetor's charged, he'll counter-shock a character for small damage. I'm still going offensive and healing through it since I want to end this fight quickly.



You see, if you don't have Rubber Capes this is not a fight that you want to become a battle of attrition.







For after a round spent charging (which is a warning that he's about to do his big attack), he will do ~130 damage to everyone. This is by far the nastiest attack we've seen yet, especially since Boney's max HP is barely above that threshhold. Kumatora and Boney would've been KOed if I hadn't planned to heal both that round and if the rolling HP meters weren't so awesome at making that strategy useful.

Rubber Capes make this much less threatening (except for poor Boney, who can't equip them).



On the bright side, once he uses his big attack, he's out of energy for a few rounds and will spend time recharging.



Since he has no energy, physical attacks won't hurt you during this time.







Unfortunately, he'll heal 100 damage each round. Not enough to nullify damage (buffed Duster or Lucas alone deal more damage than he can heal), but enough to be a nuisance and prolong a battle you don't want prolonged.



After a couple rounds, it'll be recharged and the fight will resume as before.





It also has the "Hit two characters with a powerful physical attack" thing the Fierce Pork Trooper had.





Randomly, his charger will break. I have no clue if it means he's out for good or if it'll get fixed eventually.



Again, that's because I kill it before I can find out.

A challenging and almost scary boss, but that just makes the fight more fun!



ALL PERSONNEL, EVACUATE IMMEDIATELY! REPEAT! IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU'D EVACUATE IMMEDIATELY!





How dare you destroy this vital system of ours!





Nwehehehehe!





No turning back now.



There's nowhere to run now! Nwehehehehe!



What's funniest of all is that happiness could've been yours had you simply stayed in Tazmily and lived quitely, without a care in the world.



Fassad then gets a call and whips out his phone.

Alright. It's all set, then? I'll be done here soon, so leave the Mother Porkship on standby up above.



But this is the perfect chance to eliminate the whole lot of you in one fell swoop. It's a bit much for three lousy rats, but our king just loves being flashy. So I've decided that you and Thunder Tower can disappear flashily together.











Well, Lucas. We haven't known each other long, but it's been fun! I'll never forget about you guys!





Nwe. He he. He he.





Rope Snake! You're up!







And now we have a new character.





They're trying to shake us off! Lucas! Kumatora! Boney! Hold on tight, now...!



I know this isn't the best time to chat, but I have some good news for me and bad news for you. The good news for me...is that although we haven't known each other long, I'm now a major character in the story, thanks to you. And the bad news for you...is that my jaw isn't sturdy enough to support the weight of three people and one dog. In other words, my jaw...











quote:

Moving puppets, made from clumps of earth.
A tower that can fire thunderbolts on demand.
An extensive highway system.
Ships that fly through the sky.

The enemy that Lucas and his companions must stand up against has grown to such an enormous scale.

Do they even stand a chance against this vile and powerful nemesis?

No, common sense must be ignored in a situation like this.

Even if there is only a one-in-a-billion chance of victory, that means there is also a one-in-a-billion opportunity of turning the tables completely.

Will Lucas, Kumatora, and Duster be separated once again?

Or will they work together again to overcome the obstacles that stand in their way?

From the flying ship, a masked man looks down upon Lucas and friends, his profile still very youthful...

The tale now moves to its next chapter, with an almost certain promise of battles far more intense than ever before...








END CHAPTER 5

Mega64 fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jan 3, 2015

Pittsburgh Lambic
Feb 16, 2011
There go the Pigmask costumes. I liked the detail that although Duster is in exactly the same outfit as Kumatora, they can still be told apart in the field because Duster still walks with a limp.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

That was perhaps the most Disney death that Fassad could endure that would still be satisfying.

he's not dead, is he :doh:

EDIT: That mystery figure looks familiar... Oh, I know!

KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jan 3, 2015

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

pigmask posted:


Yeah, I went and visited that Tazmily place for the first time the other day. And then, well... I'm not quite sure how to put it, but...charred? People who disobeyed all had their houses charred. We're doing terrible things here, aren't we?

This is a pretty :smith: line. the pigmask are in an army and most of them think they working towards something great. I mean in their view they brought technology, economy, and the villagers welcomed them with open arms. Course their actions are lining up with the story and a few of them realize it.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Never use the save frog in the tower playroom- if you use it and restart the game, you'll be put in a place where you can't move, and you'll have to start a new file. This has been the source of frustration for more than a few players.

The "no spoiler rule" gets especially important now- there are at least two things that you can spoil that won't be revealed until much later.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Y-Hat posted:

Never use the save frog in the tower playroom- if you use it and restart the game, you'll be put in a place where you can't move, and you'll have to start a new file. This has been the source of frustration for more than a few players.

The "no spoiler rule" gets especially important now- there are at least two things that you can spoil that won't be revealed until much later.

In case you do get trapped, here's a walk through walls cheat to help you get out.

quote:

0200C492:FFFF

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Mega64 posted:



At any rate, same strategy of buffs/debuffs and healing/wailing.

Is this supposed to be a blank image?

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010


Mega64 posted:



It almost seems like it could take your place for you...
The translation was handled interestingly here (or incorrectly, depending on your POV). Because of the way Japanese grammar works, the original says something more like "Could it take your place [in battle]...? Doesn't look that way."

Mega64 posted:

I know this isn't the best time to chat, but I have some good news for me and bad news for you. The good news for me...is that although we haven't known each other long, I'm not a major character in the story, thanks to you.
Oops! He says he's now a major character, thanks to you.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

ultrafilter posted:

Is this supposed to be a blank image?

Yeah, the screen flashes white whenever a major enemy is defeated and I ended up capturing it, and I was too lazy to retake it.


Hirayuki posted:

Oops! He says he's now a major character, thanks to you.

How cruel of me. Fixed it to be less cruel, thanks!

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Mega64 posted:

How cruel of me. Fixed it to be less cruel, thanks!

Huh. And here I was taking it as some sort of subtle meta-commentary on the game's part about how the "important" characters in this game seem to be fated to either lose their drat minds (Flint, Duster briefly) or die (Hinawa) so by being minor he wouldn't be put on redshirt duty.

Oh, as a random note that nobody seems to have pointed out in the thread: the in-game narrative keeps making comments about sunflowers being Hinawa's favorite flower? Yeah, that's another pun. Sunflowers are known in Japanese as himawari, which is dangerously close to being a soundalike.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Oh good, Chapter 6 is next. Remember folks, no crying until the end.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.






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END CHAPTER 6

Mega64 fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jan 4, 2015

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

I will cry when the gently caress I want to.

Level Seven
Feb 14, 2013

Wubba dubba dubba
that blew.



Megamarm

Mega64 posted:

CHAPTER 6
:smith:

Y-Hat posted:

Remember folks, no crying until the end.
Yeah, no. Now's a time.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

Mega64 posted:



END CHAPTER 6

They give you just enough time to see that Lucas missed and is falling away before fading out.

Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change
Folks. I'ma tell you all now. This gets even -more- heart wrenching. And it's at it's peak right before the credits roll.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Kemix posted:

Folks. I'ma tell you all now.

Some douche bag was saying stuff like that earlier in the thread and people got pissed. It is semi spoilery and doesn't add anything to the thread. So lets not repeat that.

I was the douche

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Do you have any control during chapter 6, or is it just a cutscene?

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

I don't think Itoi knows what "chapters" mean in the context of video games as opposed to books. :crossarms:

Granted, even in a book, a chapter being a single half-minute scene - the equivalent of maybe one to two pages compared to the other chapters - would get an eyebrow out of me, but it's a lot different when you have a chapter as a single cutscene in a JRPG. That's not how chapters work, Itoi. We actually tend to call those "interludes".

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

ultrafilter posted:

Do you have any control during chapter 6, or is it just a cutscene?

I think you move a little bit, but not much.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
Once upon a time, there was a poor child with no father and no mother, and everything was dead. No one was left in the whole world. Everything was dead.

And the child went on to search, day and night. And since nobody was left on the earth, he decided to go up into the heavens, where the moon was looking at him so friendly.

And when he finally got to the moon, the moon was a piece of rotten wood.

And then he went to the sun, and when he got there, the sun was a wilted sunflower.

And when he got to the stars, they were little golden flies stuck up there, like the shrike sticks them on the black thorns.

And when he wanted to go back down to earth, the earth was an overturned pot.

And he was all alone, and he sat down and he cried.

And he is there to this day.

All alone.

Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jan 4, 2015

Yapping Eevee
Nov 12, 2011

STAND TOGETHER.
FIGHT WITH HONOR.
RESTORE BALANCE.

Eevees play for free.
...That was meant to be sad? :v:

I mean, I understand that Lucas saw an illusion of his Mother. And then he was so desperate to reach her that he flat-out flung himself off a cliff. Like a total dingus.

I know there's such a thing as being blinded by grief, but that bit just fell flat for me. :shrug:

John Liver
May 4, 2009

ultrafilter posted:

Do you have any control during chapter 6, or is it just a cutscene?

You walk to the left. That is all.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Yapping Eevee posted:

...That was meant to be sad? :v:

I mean, I understand that Lucas saw an illusion of his Mother. And then he was so desperate to reach her that he flat-out flung himself off a cliff. Like a total dingus.

I know there's such a thing as being blinded by grief, but that bit just fell flat for me. :shrug:

It probably doesn't come off as well seeing it in screenshot form as opposed to seeing it in action.

Forer
Jan 18, 2010

"How do I get rid of these nasty roaches?!"

Easy, just burn your house down.

Yapping Eevee posted:

...That was meant to be sad? :v:

I mean, I understand that Lucas saw an illusion of his Mother. And then he was so desperate to reach her that he flat-out flung himself off a cliff. Like a total dingus.

I know there's such a thing as being blinded by grief, but that bit just fell flat for me. :shrug:

I think it's supposed to be symbolism for, since they just nearly died, Lucas got close to heaven and was going to be re-united with his mother, and got torn from it by living again (since I'm assuming we're not going to spend the rest of the game as ghosts)

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

KataraniSword posted:

I don't think Itoi knows what "chapters" mean in the context of video games as opposed to books. :crossarms:

Granted, even in a book, a chapter being a single half-minute scene - the equivalent of maybe one to two pages compared to the other chapters - would get an eyebrow out of me, but it's a lot different when you have a chapter as a single cutscene in a JRPG. That's not how chapters work, Itoi. We actually tend to call those "interludes".

Chapters should be as long as they need to be. I'm trying to think of a certain well-known author that had chapters be w/e length (sometimes just a paragraph or two) but I can't remember who I'm thinking of.

Yapping Eevee
Nov 12, 2011

STAND TOGETHER.
FIGHT WITH HONOR.
RESTORE BALANCE.

Eevees play for free.

Forer posted:

I think it's supposed to be symbolism for, since they just nearly died, Lucas got close to heaven and was going to be re-united with his mother, and got torn from it by living again (since I'm assuming we're not going to spend the rest of the game as ghosts)

Hmm... Yeah, that works. Although that has some unfortunate implications...

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Dr. Fetus posted:

It probably doesn't come off as well seeing it in screenshot form as opposed to seeing it in action.

The cutscene's on Youtube, and it's better, but it's still not all that emotional for me. I think the Mother games are a very different experience if you play them instead of watching an LP, and I suspect that that's relevant to this part.

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ArchWizard
Mar 27, 2009

There's the Roy I know and love.


Genocyber posted:

Chapters should be as long as they need to be. I'm trying to think of a certain well-known author that had chapters be w/e length (sometimes just a paragraph or two) but I can't remember who I'm thinking of.
There was a chapter in one of the Hitchhiker's trilogy books that was half a page long.

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