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computer parts posted:Does this "full " license include the ability to drive 18 wheelers or is that separate like in the US? quote:otor vehicles with a maximum authorised mass not exceeding 3500 kg and designed and constructed for the carriage of no more than eight passengers in addition to the driver; motor vehicles in this category may be combined with a trailer having a maximum authorised mass which does not exceed 750 kg. quote:Large goods vehicle with a maximum authorised mass of more than 3.5 t mass and not more than 8 + 1 seats (lorry); with a trailer with a maximum mass of 750 kg. Edit: B includes AM: quote:Two-wheel vehicles or three-wheel vehicles with a maximum design speed of not more than 45 km/h and with a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50 cubic centimetres. quote:Large goods vehicle with a maximum authorised mass of not more than 7.5 t; with or without a trailer with a maximum mass of less than 750 kg. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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I've known people that at least knew how to operate a moving vehicle before they were ten-years-old, but that kind of thing comes with the territory of growing up on a ranch.
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Nintendo Kid posted:You know, what I had to do to get my driver's license in New Jersey wasn't much different, other than the fact that there was basically no theoretical lesson time I had to pay for because we got free driver's ed that covered it all in public school. Had to pay for 15 hours of driving lessons hands on with an instructor though, and the provisional license came in at 17 (full license at 18). 0) I think the whole thing cost about 200USD. 1) 30 min. multiple choice test on a touch screen in the waiting area of the DMV. 2) 20 min. closed course driving test - drive around for a bit, follow the signs, back up, park. Congratulations!
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All you gotta do is pass the driving test in Indiana beginning at 16. Learners Permit can be had at 15 after a brief multiple choice. My parents still made me take lessons through a private driving school and regardless I've wrecked two cars One of my buddies from South Dakota got his full license at 14.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:All you gotta do is pass the driving test in Indiana beginning at 16. Learners Permit can be had at 15 after a brief multiple choice. My parents still made me take lessons through a private driving school and regardless I've wrecked two cars They have since changed the rules, but to get my license in Texas all I had to do was take a one semester long driver's ed course when I was 15, wait six months, and then get my provisional license. I would then have to renew every year on my birthday until I turned 18, but after that I wouldn't have to renew for another six years. I will not have to take another test proving proficiency until I'm like 75, aside from an eye exam that takes 30 seconds.
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To be fair South Dakota's is ok because there's nowhere to crash into.
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Orange Devil posted:It's to do with how they think it's a good system to go straight for drivers license exams and only if you fail maybe you should consider taking some lessons. Lessons involve parents claiming a piece of public road with some pylons somewhere and having you drive up and down it a couple times. Then just bribe whoever is in charge of issuing drivers licenses. I don't know when was the last time you tried to get a Belgian driver's license but it's actually notoriously hard? At least in Brussels it is. You get leeway of a grand total of 0 mistakes in a three-hour test in Brussels. The reason you don't need lessons first is because your parents teach you how to drive. Only if they can't teach you, you pay a school for hours of lessons, or if you fail your exam a few times. I had to do this because I failed my exam twice and got it on my third try, which is actually the average in Belgium. Note that the reasons they made me fail were "Drives too defensively" the first time and "Took a rather sharp turn to the left" the second time. Meanwhile, I've seen French drivers take a roundabout LEFT so they could quickly swerve into the road to the left of them instead of going around like sensible people. EDIT: on the subject of driving left: 
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Deltasquid posted:I don't know when was the last time you tried to get a Belgian driver's license but it's actually notoriously hard? At least in Brussels it is. You get leeway of a grand total of 0 mistakes in a three-hour test in Brussels. Regulations in the north have gotten stricter quite fast. My grandmother (1945) received a license on her 18th birthday, including heavy vehicles. My father (1960) got his after registering in the town hall. My brother (1995) got his probationary license, took a driving test on a quiet piece of road and a parking/manouvring test on a closed lot. A friend of mine recently let his probationary license expire, has to retake his theoretical exam, find a driving school for 12 hours (at 60€/hour), take his exam, which now includes anatomy of a modern car, driving on a less than quiet piece of road and a parking/manouvring test in the wild.
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Lycus posted:I had to look up a picture of this.
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 As far as I know, BE has historically invested less in infrastructure and is plagued by the Walloon/Fleming divide that makes nationwide projects a nightmare, added to which it has short-term and unstable governments which undercuts long-term planning. Now everyone is sitting on their hands waiting for the country to fall apart so no one wants to commit to any big projects. I asked a professional about a cultural project in Bruxelles and asked "Will the website be in French or Dutch or both?" He replied "It will be done in English only." Josef K. Sourdust fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Deltasquid posted:EDIT: on the subject of driving left: Why is Surinam driving on the left side of the road? I thought they would follow the Dutch on this one.
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I wish it was higher resolution because there's lots of dumb little islands I'm curious about.
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Letmebefrank posted:Why is Surinam driving on the left side of the road? I thought they would follow the Dutch on this one. Because Guyana.
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I always liked this one better  
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A Buttery Pastry posted:papism_vs_protestantism.jpg The south of the Netherlands, ie. pretty much the entire border with Belgium, is notionally Catholic though. Also compare "you don't need lessons, your parents teach you how to drive" with the stories of the other EU posters. Sure Belgium, getting a drivers license is really hard there (when you can't drive due to never learning it), we totally believe you.
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Letmebefrank posted:Why is Surinam driving on the left side of the road? I thought they would follow the Dutch on this one. Surinam was originally a British colony. Then when it became Dutch we still drove left as well. Napoleon came and changed that, but Surinam didn't get the memo.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:papism_vs_protestantism.jpg The entire southern part of the Netherlands is just as historically Catholic as Belgium, and in the case of the latter it's nothing more than a fluke to begin with. Both Lutheranism and Calvinism were well-entrenched in the southern Low Countries until they were stamped out by the Spanish authorities. The first Protestant iconoclasm in the Low Countries started in what is now French Flanders and took a while to reach the north, where Protestantism was initially weaker:  That said, I've always wondered why the southern Netherlands remained largely Catholic after the Eighty Years' War. Probably because they were so poorly treated by the central authorities in Holland.
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Orange Devil posted:Also compare "you don't need lessons, your parents teach you how to drive" with the stories of the other EU posters. Sure Belgium, getting a drivers license is really hard there (when you can't drive due to never learning it), we totally believe you.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:
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Phlegmish posted:The entire southern part of the Netherlands is just as historically Catholic as Belgium, and in the case of the latter it's nothing more than a fluke to begin with. Both Lutheranism and Calvinism were well-entrenched in the southern Low Countries until they were stamped out by the Spanish authorities. The first Protestant iconoclasm in the Low Countries started in what is now French Flanders and took a while to reach the north, where Protestantism was initially weaker: So why are those counties not part of Belgium then? I thought the main dividing line between Flanders and the Netherlands was a protestant/catholic divide.
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I was just saying "full licence" to contrast with the provisional licence you get that only lasts for 18 months and then you need to pass the second round of tests to get a complete licence. I did actually get a BC licence so I can drive a truck (but not an 18 wheeler!) too, but I left out the C part because most people don't do the C courses and exams so it would be misleading. These days to drive an 18 wheeler, I think in all EU countries you're required to complete a pretty lengthy training period that's more like a vocational course than a regular driving course. Endless bitching from the transportation industry, of course.
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Bloodnose posted:So why are those counties not part of Belgium then? I thought the main dividing line between Flanders and the Netherlands was a protestant/catholic divide. As I said, the border between Flanders and the Netherlands is basically the ceasefire line between the United Provinces and the Spanish Empire, with a few adjustments. The religious divide is a result of the outcome of the war and not the other way around. The authorities in the Spanish Netherlands brutally clamped down on Protestants, who generally fled north to Holland.
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Phlegmish posted:Whatever you call this (except autism): We call it Purmerreutel, which incidentally is where all the people from Amsterdam end up who are too poo poo for Almere.
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EricBauman posted:
Please don't tell me we need Belgium.JPEG thread in GBS?
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Disco Infiva posted:Please don't tell me we need Belgium.JPEG thread in GBS?  This is making me think that yes, we do. edit: Please don't make a Belgium.jpeg thread Those .jpeg threads are awful my dad fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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my dad posted:
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my dad posted:
Where is this? I need to go there. 
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IndustrialApe posted:We call it Purmerreutel, which incidentally is where all the people from Amsterdam end up who are too poo poo for Almere. They're New Towns that function relatively well apart from a general lack of local employment opportunities - which might have been unavoidable. Way shittier urban planning decisions have been made both in our country and abroad.
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Phlegmish posted:The entire southern part of the Netherlands is just as historically Catholic as Belgium, and in the case of the latter it's nothing more than a fluke to begin with. Both Lutheranism and Calvinism were well-entrenched in the southern Low Countries until they were stamped out by the Spanish authorities. The first Protestant iconoclasm in the Low Countries started in what is now French Flanders and took a while to reach the north, where Protestantism was initially weaker:
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Maxin' and relaxin' and having a ton of holidays > working all day, all year. Suck it, Protestants 
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System Metternich posted:Maxin' and relaxin' and having a ton of holidays > working all day, all year. Suck it, Protestants Counterpoint: I rest my case.
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System Metternich posted:Maxin' and relaxin' and having a ton of holidays > working all day, all year. Suck it, Protestants
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e: nm misread something.
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Deltasquid posted:EDIT: on the subject of driving left: Given that the rest of the map is British_Empire.jpg, what the heck is up with Japan?
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Vorpal Cat posted:Given that the rest of the map is British_Empire.jpg, what the heck is up with Japan? The British helped them build a lot of infrastructure in the late 19th Century.
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Vorpal Cat posted:Given that the rest of the map is British_Empire.jpg, what the heck is up with Japan? Britain helped Japan build their railroads, so once again it's the fault of the British.
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