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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Explanation: a central tenant of Russian nationalism is that Ukrainians are a bunch of gullible, primitive peasants.

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Smerdyakov
Jul 8, 2008

Aumanor posted:

I honestly wouldn't recommend drinking tap water in Warsaw, boiled or not, even if it does qualify as "potable".

Seconding this, I didn't even like to brush my teeth with it--boiling doesn't do anything because it's not an issue of microbes, it's all the heavy metals.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

awesome-express posted:

lol that's such bullshit. Tap water is drinkable in Lithuania (having been there multiple times).

And what's wrong with the water in Croatia? I've had it multiple times with no ill effects and official organizations that do testing say it's amongst the cleanest water in Europe.

Coloring the whole US as safe is hilarious as there are many, many places where you do not want to drink the tap water. Plenty of areas have water that's discolored and/or smells like sulfur. In a few more serious cases the tap water has so much nasty stuff in it that it has actually been linked to clusters of birth-defects.

The_Franz fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jan 4, 2015

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Mightypeon posted:

Vietnam or Saudi Arabia have influence outside its borders (Ask Cambodia, Laos, or random Gulf states about it). Vietnam or Saudi Arabia are regional powers. Russia is a Great Power as is India, US is a superpower, China falls between great and superpower. The European big three fall somewhere between regional and Great Power. There are about 2 dozen countries which do have considerable influence outside of their borders, and only 2 of those, China and the USA, are more powerfull then Russia.

You are nearly getting it, the US tries to force a global rules change that mean that only they (or people who are in their sphere of influence) get influence outside their borders.
This simultaneously pisses off every regional power and upwards that isnt aligned with the USA (and even some that are aligned with the USA now like Turkey, Turkey is still kind of OK with US leadership, but will react hostile to any US assertion that Turkeys sphere of influence depends on submission to the USA).

How do you think this is going to play out longterm?

Germany is also more powerful than Russia.

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry

The_Franz posted:

And what's wrong with the water in Croatia? I've had it multiple times with no ill effects and official organizations that do testing say it's amongst the cleanest water in Europe.

Coloring the whole US as safe is hilarious as there are many, many places where you do not want to drink the tap water. Plenty of areas have water that's discolored and/or smells like sulfur. In a few more serious cases the tap water has so much nasty stuff in it that it has actually been linked to clusters of birth-defects.

I'd like to read about that.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
Basically the advisories are issued on the basis of whether places an average US tourist would go would have safe water in hotels and poo poo a certain amount of the time. It's not really a statement on general household water quality, and the "unsafe" category encompasses a lot of things from "two or three major destinations have something up" to "all the water in this country has cholera and uranium and lead in it, bring your entire trip's supply have water with you on the plane".

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

bignose
Mar 21, 2006
fucked up

kalstrams posted:

Maybe I pay little attention to my personal health, but I'd say that in Baltics tap water is drinkable - if only not too tasty if too warm. On my trips to Lithuania/Estonia I have drunk tap water in hotels without any consequence, in Latvia I did drink tap water for something like 21 year without any noted consequences either.

From discussions with my friends, tap water in Russia/Belarus/Ukraine is hit or miss and is highly dependant on where in the country you are.

While not really Eastern Europe, in Iceland, as far as I know, tap water tastes very funny to non locals.

Again, I haven't tried U.S. tap water, so maybe you have ambrosia there.

When I was living in Riga in 2007, the University of Latvia told all the International and Erasmus students to not drink the tap water at the dorms. (Reznas iela, Maskavas Forštate) Instead they suggested to use a filter or just heat up the water before drinking. Kalstrams, maybe you know something about that? Anyway, almost everyone drank from tap after seeing Latvians doing it and nobody got sick afaik. Never had problems in Estonia, Lithuania or Poland either, No food poisoning either.

How about tap water in Minsk? I am going there in about 8 days. Anybody knows about photographing there? I know I am not allowed to take photos of governmental or military buildings but are there other limitations?
Will Belarus.jpeg get my SD-Card erased? :question:

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
A lot of these former Soviet destinations have treated water perfectly fine to drink, but the problem is that it's sometimes pumped through corroded pipes. Most of the time you'll be fine, though. It's true a few visitors get mildly ill at first but that's usually about it.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

bignose posted:

How about tap water in Minsk? I am going there in about 8 days. Anybody knows about photographing there? I know I am not allowed to take photos of governmental or military buildings but are there other limitations?
Will Belarus.jpeg get my SD-Card erased? :question:

I haven't heard about any photography related problems in Belarus - as long as you do the Eastern Ruropean thing of keeping the cameras away from public transport, police and military stuff, you'll be fine. I'm sure many of us in this thread would love if you'd share some of your everyday Belarus photos when you get back!

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

They don't care much about lifting the sanctions or stabilizing the ruble, a good chunk wants an end to the war in Ukraine, but the majority just want a return to the USSR.

Sadly, I don't think Grandfather Frost will be able to bring any of these.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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What does that image say for those of us who can't read Cyrillic?

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

Fojar38 posted:

What does that image say for those of us who can't read Cyrillic?
What Russians are asking from Ded Moroz as new year present.
5.9% for sanctions to be lifted.
26.1% for the war in the Ukraine to cease.
7.6% for stable ruble.
60.5% for restoration of USSR.

Smerdyakov
Jul 8, 2008

Fojar38 posted:

What does that image say for those of us who can't read Cyrillic?

What would you all have have asked of Father Frost (Father Christmas) for Russia?

Cancelation of sanctions

Discontinuation of the war in Ukraine

Stability of the Ruble

Rebirth of the USSR

That's my super literal translation, the scariest part about that poll is that the results probably weren't rigged.

Edit: gently caress, beaten, except it's worth noting that Ded Moroz would be good a rap name.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Forgall posted:

What Russians are asking from Ded Moroz as new year present.
5.9% for sanctions to be lifted.
26.1% for the war in the Ukraine to cease.
7.6% for stable ruble.
60.5% for restoration of USSR.

Those are...really odd priorities.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

Fojar38 posted:

Those are...really odd priorities.
Being able to subjugate others with impunity is far more important to Russians than living in decent economic conditions.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

That and the USSR being remembered for having its poo poo together way more than current Russia as far as social services, pensions and the like go.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Pimpmust posted:

That and the USSR being remembered for having its poo poo together way more than current Russia as far as social services, pensions and the like go.

Either way, it was seen as a relatively "place in the sun" compared to current Russia, if anything if it is a predictable answer if you spend enough time over there.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




bignose posted:

When I was living in Riga in 2007, the University of Latvia told all the International and Erasmus students to not drink the tap water at the dorms. (Reznas iela, Maskavas Forštate) Instead they suggested to use a filter or just heat up the water before drinking. Kalstrams, maybe you know something about that? Anyway, almost everyone drank from tap after seeing Latvians doing it and nobody got sick afaik. Never had problems in Estonia, Lithuania or Poland either, No food poisoning either.
Well, it's what MothraAttack says plus basic caution of "foreigner stomachs may not be used to w/e we have and we don't want our foreign guests ending up as poop dispensers" since it's not like University of Latvia has reputation or prestige to tank damage caused by bad stories.
Besides that, use of simple water filters is widespread in Latvia, in the areas where you have access to tap water, I mean, even though I find water to be drinkable without consequences even without filters or boiling.

bignose posted:

How about tap water in Minsk? I am going there in about 8 days. Anybody knows about photographing there? I know I am not allowed to take photos of governmental or military buildings but are there other limitations?
Will Belarus.jpeg get my SD-Card erased? :question:
You must not take pictures of:
  • Metro.
  • Military, governmental and specially guarded objects.
  • Railway stations, tunnels and bridges.
You should not take pictures inside:
  • Stores and restaurants.
  • Markets.
  • Churches and temples.
  • Sports events.
  • Airplanes and trains.
  • Museums and exhibitions.
  • Ministries and embassies.
  • Any place that has "no photo" sign.
Also, in Belarus you can't take photos of people if it uncovers details of their private or family lives. Other than that, keep in mind a few things:
  • No smoking in educational, sports, medical, stores buildings and any public places, such as railway stations or bus stops.
  • No alcohol in public - only restaurants, bars and such.

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


The_Franz posted:

And what's wrong with the water in Croatia? I've had it multiple times with no ill effects and official organizations that do testing say it's amongst the cleanest water in Europe.

Coloring the whole US as safe is hilarious as there are many, many places where you do not want to drink the tap water. Plenty of areas have water that's discolored and/or smells like sulfur. In a few more serious cases the tap water has so much nasty stuff in it that it has actually been linked to clusters of birth-defects.

Tap water is perfectly safe in 99% of the US. Some of it is really good while some tastes like rear end, but its usually fine. The only time I've encountered undrinkable tap water was a home with its own well that had too high mineral concentrations...and I guess there are situations like that town which had problems with flaming water due to a nearby fracking operation, but that obviously isn't normal. There are a lot of people who don't trust tap water though, even when its high quality, and waste money on bottled stuff that is often no better or even lower quality than the tap water.

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Hewlo Furriend
Tap water is usually decent where I live, although I still prefer bottled water. It's definitely potable. Sometimes the water works decide it's not up to snuff and just pour chlorine into it until someone tells them to stop and a bath full of water smells like a city swimming pool, but that's rare.

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT

Smerdyakov posted:

This is rock-solid. Are you available for other design work?

Just something I picked up when looking at twitter feeds about Ukraine last spring. Unfortunately, even MightyPeon is unable to give Bingo on these forums, as not even he is enough of a shrill for it to work.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Radio Prune posted:

Also what's all this noise about Batman?

Warbadger posted:

He had a tragic, fatal incident involving a Toyota Prius and a whole lot of bullets.

Not a Prius but a Volkswagen Transporter and not bullets but Shmel. a BBQ RPG for turning confined spaces into inferno.

Batman was a leader of Rusich, a squad of neonazi volunteers from Russia in Luhansk. They got too greedy and uncontrollable, so the leadership of LNR declared them criminals and got most of them executed via Russian Spetsnaz. Sadly, the more prominent ones that were talking a lot on social media about their successes in ear-collecting are alive.

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

fatherboxx posted:

Batman was a leader of Rusich, a squad of neonazi volunteers from Russia in Luhansk. They got too greedy and uncontrollable, so the leadership of LNR declared them criminals and got most of them executed via Russian Spetsnaz. Sadly, the more prominent ones that were talking a lot on social media about their successes in ear-collecting are alive.


This sounds like a great way to assure your self proclaimed state is ripped apart. Have a bunch of bandits running around whose leader you just offed.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

sparatuvs posted:

This sounds like a great way to assure your self proclaimed state is ripped apart. Have a bunch of bandits running around whose leader you just offed.

It's looks likely that the "peoples republics" will implode from fighting factions. The video from last week from the Cossacks make it obvious It's not a happy homogeneous state.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

http://nytimes.com/2015/01/04/world/europe/ukraine-leader-was-defeated-even-before-he-was-ousted.html?_r=0

Long article in the New York Times on the fall of Yanukovych.

Intro:

quote:

KIEV, Ukraine — Ashen-faced after a sleepless night of marathon negotiations, Viktor F. Yanukovych hesitated, shaking his pen above the text placed before him in the chandeliered hall. Then, under the unsmiling gaze of European diplomats and his political enemies, the beleaguered Ukrainian president scrawled his signature, sealing a deal that he believed would keep him in power, at least for a few more months.

But even as Mr. Yanukovych sat down with his political foes at the presidential administration building on the afternoon of Friday, Feb. 21, his last authority was fast draining away. In a flurry of frantic calls to opposition lawmakers, police and security commanders were making clear that they were more worried about their own safety than protecting Mr. Yanukovych and his government.

By that evening, he was gone, evacuated from the capital by helicopter, setting the stage for the most severe bout of East-West tensions since the Cold War.

Russia has attributed Mr. Yanukovych’s ouster to what it portrays as a violent, “neo-fascist” coup supported and even choreographed by the West and dressed up as a popular uprising. The Kremlin has cited this assertion, along with historical ties, as the main justification for its annexation of Crimea in March and its subsequent support for an armed revolt by pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine’s industrial heartland in the east.

Few outside the Russian propaganda bubble ever seriously entertained the Kremlin’s line. But almost a year after the fall of Mr. Yanukovych’s government, questions remain about how and why it collapsed so quickly and completely.

An investigation by The New York Times into the final hours of Mr. Yanukovych’s rule — based on interviews with prominent players, including former commanders of the Berkut riot police and other security units, telephone records and other documents — shows that the president was not so much overthrown as cast adrift by his own allies, and that Western officials were just as surprised by the meltdown as anyone else.

It goes on to describe how the Berkut and security forces gave up on Yanukovych when he signaled would allow investigations into shootings of protestors. Thereafter his own party threw him away, and he was gone.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Fojar38 posted:

Those are...really odd priorities.

People always go on about how communism failed as an ideology. Well coincidentally Russia is also where capitalism failed.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

There will be a meeting in Berlin tomorrow of the foreign ministers of Ukraine, Germany, Russia and France.

http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/zavtra-v-berline-proydet-vstrecha-v-normandskom-formate-582024.html

quote:

The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry "Today" confirmed that in the German capital on January 5 will meet the head of the political departments of the Foreign Ministries of Ukraine, Germany, Russia and France

The heads of foreign ministries politdepartamentov "Norman Quartet" to prepare the site and negotiating agenda for a meeting of foreign ministers of the four countries in Berlin.

As is well known, information about the scheduled meeting tomorrow in Berlin, with links to sources appeared simultaneously in Russian and French media on January 3. A few hours earlier in an
interview with a German editions German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Shtaynamyer stated that "Norman four" working on the actual implementation of the peace protocol Minsk.

"On again for further action by all parties to the conflict are the Minsk agreement. Now we need further steps for their application - with an armistice, which actually hold, the demarcation line, diversion of heavy weapons and humanitarian access, "- said Shtaynamyer.

How did you learn the "Today", a meeting of foreign ministers in Berlin in Normandy format could take place January 8-9. "Immediately after, or even during, and shall be held another round of talks in

Minsk (with the leaders of the so-called militants - Ed.)" - Told us to diplomatic sources.

By the way, the representative of the so-called "DNR" Denis Pushilin said he was ready for the next round of negotiations even during the holidays. But the exact date of the meeting the parties have not yet discussed.

Agency TASS referring to its sources reported that n redstavitel Russia will participate in the meeting in Berlin in the "Normandy" 5 of January. According to the publication, the Russian side at the meeting in Berlin will represent the Director of the Second Department of the CIS Foreign Minister Viktor Sorokin.

Posted today: Ukrainian armor in Donbass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNSFOiaTLhg

HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jan 4, 2015

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

Regarde Aduck posted:

People always go on about how communism failed as an ideology. Well coincidentally Russia is also where capitalism failed.
I don't think that people who said they want USSR back even care about communism, what they actually want back is an Empire. And maybe opportunity to write a donos on neighbor you don't like.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Forgall posted:

I don't think that people who said they want USSR back even care about communism, what they actually want back is an Empire. And maybe opportunity to write a donos on neighbor you don't like.

They clearly do care about many aspects of life under state socialism, especially the stable jobs, pensions and low prices. (Granted, another thing is the USSR also had a stable currency even if was a closed not that wasn't free traded.)

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jan 4, 2015

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Ardennes posted:

They clearly do care about many aspects of life under state socialism, especially the stable jobs, pensions and low prices.

"I may have had to stand in line for 3 hours to buy stale bread and another 2 to buy scratchy toilet paper, but at least it was cheap!"

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
"I had to stand in line for five hours, but I could disappear from work for six hours, and steal me some inventory on the way."

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

The_Franz posted:

"I may have had to stand in line for 3 hours to buy stale bread and another 2 to buy scratchy toilet paper, but at least it was cheap!"

More like "I may have had to stand in line for 3 hours to buy stale bread and another 2 to buy scratchy toilet paper, but at least I could actually afford some."

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

The_Franz posted:

"I may have had to stand in line for 3 hours to buy stale bread and another 2 to buy scratchy toilet paper, but at least it was cheap!"

Yeah but as another poster commented, at least they could afford it versus their wages. In addition, the Soviet Union had other programs (yes including the Pioneers) that were popular.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Most American grocery stores are Soviet-style compared to HEB. HEB should expand to Eastern Europe is what I am saying.

HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014

Forgall posted:

I don't think that people who said they want USSR back even care about communism, what they actually want back is an Empire. And maybe opportunity to write a donos on neighbor you don't like.

You're stupid as hell. "Empire" to the average joe doesn't mean poo poo. What does mean poo poo to people is the memory of a time when everyone had a well payed job, free healthcare, free childcare until your kid grows up, two years maternity, rent capped at a max of 5% of income, and an educational system that was not only completely free but would pay your cost of living.

Russians love capitalism so much that they continuously vote for people who oppose it, to the degree that yeltsin spent 1993 using tanks to remove the democracy he created in exchange for a system of government where parliament can't do anything but kiss his rear end all day. He spent the time running up to the election after making GBS threads himself in the face of tremendous opposition before launching a massive propaganda campaign and rigging the result. Literally the smartest thing he ever did was present himself as just barely winning his fake election, if he'd have gone with his inner circle's plan of refusing to hold one he'd probably have got shot.

HorseLord fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Jan 4, 2015

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry

HorseLord posted:

You're stupid as hell. "Empire" to the average joe doesn't mean poo poo. What does mean poo poo to people is the memory of a time when everyone had a well payed job, free healthcare, free childcare until your kid grows up, two years maternity, rent capped at a max of 5% of income, and an educational system that was not only completely free but would pay your cost of living.

Russians love capitalism so much that they continuously vote for people who oppose it, to the degree that yeltsin spent 1993 using tanks to remove the democracy he created in exchange for a system of government where parliament can't do anything but kiss his rear end all day. He spent the time running up to the election after making GBS threads himself in the face of tremendous opposition before launching a massive propaganda campaign and rigging the result. Literally the smartest thing he ever did was present himself as just barely winning his fake election, if he'd have gone with his inner circle's plan of refusing to hold one he'd probably have got shot.

I just looked that up and apparently their was some referendum that the congress didn't like? Seems more like their parliament didn't want to be kicked out.

HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014
The president of russia didn't have the power to dissolve the supreme soviet, and attempting to do so was illegal.

The supreme soviet wasn't very down with one man attempting to become Tsar, so they impeached him. This was legal.

Yeltsin got his army drinking buddies to shell seven shades of poo poo out of the supreme soviet, killed a whole bunch of people, and gave himself shitloads of new powers.

The constitutional crisis really isn't defensible.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




If anyone wants to watch it, here is raw video. :nms: :nws:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW5kJkVUgdI

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HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

According to this source Canada supplied Ukraine with military equipment?

http://www.5.ua/polityka/ykrajna-otrimyye-viiskove-sporyadjennya-vid-zakordonnih-partneriv--poroshenko-66626.html

quote:

Ukraine will receive from international partners all necessary military equipment. This was during a meeting with heads of security agencies said President Poroshenko.

The President stressed the need to review the functioning of Ukrainian companies-suppliers together with voluntary groups. According to Poroshenko, during his recent visit to the landfill Yavorivskyi he was impressed with the quality and value of domestic products.

Also guarantor noticed that all agreements with partners remain in power, so when the new fourth wave of mobilization - the military will have everything you need.

"What we promised our partners from Lithuania - for weapons - we've got it. Got the first batch of warm clothes, boots, accessories from Canada - and now wait another 2-planes were party-convoy from Poland, with our other partners ie all the agreements we reached last month - they all fit into a clear timetable software. To us soldier who mobilized, was able to be dressed, secured, have body armor and all that jazz, "- he said.

Come on, google translate. Poroshenko didn't actually say "all that jazz?"

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