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ThreeLefts posted:Could I please get some more opinions on N3's Immunity: Total. I believe yes, now fire immune. Sun Tze strides through the fiercest of fires because of tactics.
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ThreeLefts posted:Could I please get some more opinions on N3's Immunity: Total. Asbestos hulk-pants. Serious answer, yes, they just take one ARM roll, pass or fail. I saw one guy write in on the official forum all worked up, because his opponent had somehow convinced him that Immunity:Total meant the model was literally immune to anything with those keywords, ie no effect at all.
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JcDent posted:I don't like the profiles being spread over three books, but that's because 1) I get very nervous in list building and trying to keep everything in my head while leafing through multiple books give me a headache 2) I momentarily forget the existence of Army (Number). I'd still like it all in one place, tho. Other than this period where everything is still transitioning, wouldn't you just use the various army builders available to lump everything together for you? I buy the books to support the company and for the fluff, so I honestly can't see a problem with how Cb have handled the releasr.
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Jan 2, 2015 09:24
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I printed the PDF lists at a local print-shop and shuffled the relevant pages together. Then I applied the almighty binder clips to create a packet of unequivocal usefulness.
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Pierzak posted:What do you mean anymore? Cameronians never burned. Well look at that, they didn't. Group think had us going fire was fire and not a Special Ammo. Auxbots may not be my standard first response anymore.
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What's the deal with palbots? Are they basically a 3-point cheerleader that requires a machinist?
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DJ Dizzy posted:What's the deal with palbots? Are they basically a 3-point cheerleader that requires a machinist? They don't give orders, it's more of a mobile repeater for the Doctor/Engineer skill.
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Hortism posted:Other than this period where everything is still transitioning, wouldn't you just use the various army builders available to lump everything together for you? Like I said, it's mostly a sperg-ish (nerd rage-ish?) thing.
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DJ Dizzy posted:What's the deal with palbots? Are they basically a 3-point cheerleader that requires a machinist? As pointed out they don't give an order. What they do is dramatically extend the range and usefulness of your doctors/engineers. You field each bot linked to a doctor or engineer. They activate with the same order as him, regardless of their relative table positions. They move 6-4 and you are not exposing a model (or an order) to any risk by using them. Basically an auto-include if you are taking a doctor or engineer, IMO.
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I posted about this on the Infinity forum NeoTerra Bolt thread but I figured I'd repost it here for our PanO players because I thought it was pretty cool. The NCA Bolt (Hacker) can use its program: Spotlight to mark enemy targets in its hacking area and then throw E/M grenades over LOS blocking terrain without having to apply the speculative modifier and gaining the +3 modifier to the PH attack roll. At the moment its the only hacker in the game equipped with grenades, every other faction can do this combo with speculative (offensive) weapons, but the Bolt is the only one in the game that can do it without outside support which is pretty cool and a nice little tactic to pocket for applicable use. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 21:06
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Oh Bolts. Never stop being amazing  Speaking of Bolts and NCA, how many linkteams are allowed. 1 per army, or 1 per combat group?
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1 per army, unless you're Tohaa, Aleph, or QK.
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Pierzak posted:1 per army, unless you're Tohaa, Aleph, or QK. Balls. Thanks!
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Yeah the Haris rule and Fireteam: Encohneorneroeneterushoweverthefuckitsspelt/Tohaa are the exceptions.
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Flipswitch posted:I posted about this on the Infinity forum NeoTerra Bolt thread but I figured I'd repost it here for our PanO players because I thought it was pretty cool. Kind of funny to think back when the Bolts were released and all the complaining that came with it. CB kept stating that they were made with N3 in mind and to just wait. No everyone loves these guys. It's almost like CB may actually know what they're doing.
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I picked up Icestorm and plan on playing Nomads. How legit is the book recommendation of the Iguana and pandahackers as the first things to buy to have a normal sized squad?
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S.W.O.R.D. Agent posted:Kind of funny to think back when the Bolts were released and all the complaining that came with it. CB kept stating that they were made with N3 in mind and to just wait. No everyone loves these guys. It's almost like CB may actually know what they're doing. In some peoples credit though, Bolts were bad in N2, they're a lot better with the newer ruleset but people are still figuring out what they're meant to do because they're new and it's easy and braindead to go "i'd rather have Fusiliers durr". They're a solid profile though, they'd be perfect if they had an Engineer option for that extra specialist, especially in PanO, but they're amazing at close quarter combat and great at board denial which is something PanO don't have a huge amount of. I've been loving them in NCA. SpikeMcclane posted:I picked up Icestorm and plan on playing Nomads. How legit is the book recommendation of the Iguana and pandahackers as the first things to buy to have a normal sized squad?
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SpikeMcclane posted:I picked up Icestorm and plan on playing Nomads. How legit is the book recommendation of the Iguana and pandahackers as the first things to buy to have a normal sized squad? They are the first thing I'd buy after the Icestorm Nomads. Interventors are amazing and if you want a heavy-hitter then the Iguana plays pretty much perfectly to Nomad hacking strengths (because it's a repeater). Picking up some Zeros for specialists or board control would also be very effective.
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SpikeMcclane posted:I picked up Icestorm and plan on playing Nomads. How legit is the book recommendation of the Iguana and pandahackers as the first things to buy to have a normal sized squad? It would defiantly be some fun stuff to pick up, Take a look at the Nomad range and see what models you like. It'd be easier for someone to direct you to something you'll like / use that way. Link teams are something that's available to sectorial armies, so if you like the look of Bakunin (The orange white and black stuff) more than Corregidor (the black and red stuff) you can also narrow down your choices that way too. The army builder is helpful for knowing what units you can take in each army/sectorial. S.W.O.R.D. Agent fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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I wanted to like Sekbans so much for my Qapu, but there's so many other linkable/Haris troops in that sectorial I'll reach for first.
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Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned in the NCA chat is how good your remotes are. Both the Pathfinder and the Bulleteer are amazing as well as the updated standard remotes. Seriously, just ask Konstantinos how good the Pathfinder alpha strike is. Flipswitch posted:I wanted to like Sekbans so much for my Qapu, but there's so many other linkable/Haris troops in that sectorial I'll reach for first. Actually Sekbans were really good for QK in N2. Running two links with doctors and long range weaponry in QK was amazing. Once they made it too the midfield, you could lock your opponent down hard, and it was almost impossible for them to make any progress against you. Doctor links in general were vastly underused in N2, and are only getting better, especially in Haqqislam.
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Yeah, Sekbans are better but still don't compete. We had an interesting situation come up in a game yesterday.  There was a Galwegian inside a smoke ZVZ, and a 4-man Wu Ming Link outside. When the Galwegian spends his order for speculative shot to throw an additional smoke grenade, what AROs are available to who? 1: The two Wu Ming under the new smoke template, as it is an attack. 1a: They may dodge at PH-3 because they don't have LoS to the attacker 1b: They may dodge at PH, because they have Sixth Sense. 2: No one, because smoke grenades don't actually target models since they're non-targeted. 3: No one, because smoke grenades aren't an attack, they're a Special Dodge. 4: The whole link, because they all are on in a link team, and since one model is being affected they all can dodge. Passing their PH roll gives them their 3" dodge. 1a: They may dodge at PH-3 because they don't have LoS to the attacker 1b: They may dodge at PH, because they have Sixth Sense. I think these are all the possible options, and it may be that I'm overthinking it. Since the YJ player really wanted the movement, and the CHA player was hoping to get into close combat, it was surprisingly important. EDIT: Bear Throne posted:Actually Sekbans were really good for QK in N2. Running two links with doctors and long range weaponry in QK was amazing. Once they made it too the midfield, you could lock your opponent down hard, and it was almost impossible for them to make any progress against you. Doctor links in general were vastly underused in N2, and are only getting better, especially in Haqqislam. It's not that Haris is bad, it's just that Odalisques are basically just better. The HRL is pretty baller, but the extra wound on everyone makes up for the lack of doctor, and the extra speed is nice. Nanopulsers are better than Chain Colts in general, and the the option to grab Sixth Sense L2 is wonderful. The only part where I see Sekbans being more useful is if you need that 2 points, the specialist options are needed for scenarios, you need the HRL's punch, or (comedy option) you're looking for a Haris to back up your 5-member Odalisque Link. Signal fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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Goddamnit this game. It makes me want to buy ALL the factions  Why yes, I totally need a Tohaa force and a Yu Jing force.
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I've had an ISS force shopping list now for like two years, so far I've resisted! Bear Throne posted:Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned in the NCA chat is how good your remotes are. Both the Pathfinder and the Bulleteer are amazing as well as the updated standard remotes. Seriously, just ask Konstantinos how good the Pathfinder alpha strike is. Sekbans aren't bad, the point is that their link option is one of the weaker ones in the QK which diminishes the point in taking them in the first place. They've always suffered from opportunity cost. Pierzak nailed a good point with 360 Visors being stronger with the new suppression fire so I might use them a bit more when I do play my QK (admittedly rarely). Seeing Santiago Knights do it has been aggravating enough to warrant me trying it. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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Would this work for a 300 point list? (N3 cost) NEOTERRAN CAPITALINE ARMY────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1   10  0  0 BOLT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)BOLT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (22)BOLT Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)BOLT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (22) DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35) FUSILIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14)FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14)FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (3)PALBOT Electric Pulse. (3)GROUP 2 4 0 0FUSILIER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 19) HEXA Spitfire / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 31) SIERRA DRONBOT HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (1 | 28) AUXILIA Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (14)AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. 6 SWC | 312 Points Open with Army 4
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N3 cheapened Hospitaller Knights to the point where I could afford to run a 5 man link with Joan. Other than some problems with hackers the sheer tankiness and firepower generated was pretty impressive and makes me want to explore using them a bit more effectively. Would like to see what De Fersen brings to the table now, as while the link did fairly well, Joan herself is kinda underwhelming in terms of load out/effective uses.
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So I had a go at playing a demo game with my friend. Tried to actually let him loose on the fuller rules, I wrote 9 model, 150pt lists, with some special rules (no more than the icestorm packs had though) in order to let him see how the game plays. It was way too much for him, he couldn't really even get his head round FtF rolls or anything. I did explain it all and demonstrate for a few hours last time, but it obviously didn't sink in. Maybe we shouldn't get drunk while trying to do this sort of thing. Infinity is such a complex game though, I have no idea how to introduce someone to it without intimidating them. In the end we decided he should just try and get through the official quickstarter rules with the other guy who's new to it. Maybe they will do better poring over it in print, than they can from my rambling explanations.
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If you're starting with someone for the actual first time, start with around ~3 line infantry per side just to get used to the fundamental order system, AROs, and face-to-face rolls. Introduce nothing more advanced until they already understand those basics. That's how I learned, and it's how I've seen the game most successfully demoed (including icestorm - they don't throw the whole box at people in the first scenario). Infinity is almost completely different from any other minis game out there, so basic assumptions almost always have to be overcome.
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Yeah as Corbs said, cut the rules right down for new players. Infinity doesn't have a reference point to other gaming systems to draw from so it can completely blow away newer players. Definitely cut it down to 3 line infantry and maybe one HI or so.
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When I started playing, we played a few games with 5 each - identical generic models with CombiRifles until we got the basic flow of Active Turn and Reactive Orders, basic modifiers for cover and range, basic Line of Fire mechanics, and the Face to Face mechanic. Only then, we started adding in rules as we got the models that used them. We played 150 point games for a few weeks after that. It was more a factor of the limitations of our collections than anything else. For the N3 ruleset, it took us 4 or 5 hours to get through a 300 point game because we were constantly checking the rulebook and discussing interpretations. It was confusing at first, but a lot of it is becoming second nature after ten or twenty games. I lost count. I'm relatively comfortable with the mechanics that I've been exposed to, but I'm still a noob because I don't really know what I'm fighting against most of the time. So, yes. I would recommend that he play multiple games with some generic rules to get a handle on the basics. It's always good to have a few copies of the rules when playing tabletop, as more eyeballs can find the relevant passages quicker. I don't know how it is for other people, but I have trouble with parsing verbal communication at length, but I can inhale mountains of text with nearly total recall. gently caress, editfuckbeaten Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Corbeau posted:If you're starting with someone for the actual first time, start with around ~3 line infantry per side just to get used to the fundamental order system, AROs, and face-to-face rolls. Introduce nothing more advanced until they already understand those basics. That's how I learned, and it's how I've seen the game most successfully demoed (including icestorm - they don't throw the whole box at people in the first scenario). Infinity is almost completely different from any other minis game out there, so basic assumptions almost always have to be overcome. Yep, this is exactly what we did a few days ago. It's just that I thought they took it in and were ready to build on that, but it turns out basically no information was retained. I think they need to read the rules on paper and go over it physically a few times before it sinks in.
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Anyone who wants the acronym glossary from the first page in its current form, grab it now. I'll be updating it to N3 soon. Also, from Bostria's twitter: quote:Si un PDF de reglas no llega jamás a publicarse, significa eso que jamás ha existido?? #twitteacomoJadenSmith (If the rules PDF never gets released, does it mean it never existed?? #tweetlikeJadenSmith)
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Are there no updated rules for viral weapons yet? I am trying to think about my Tohaa, and ... not having a lot of luck!! No units for as much as two months, and I can't find anything on Viral.
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dexefiend posted:Are there no updated rules for viral weapons yet? Viral was introduced in HS I think, and thus has no N3 rules yet.
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