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skaboomizzy posted:I suppose medical marijuana supporters in FL can count on a bump from 57% to 60% in a Presidential election year, but I'm sure Governor Skeletor and the Tea Party legislature will just demolish its effectiveness. The only reason it failed in 2014 was that it was tied to Crist and a donor wanted Scott in power so he could build a casino. And still it only failed by 3%.
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Daduzi posted:Way I see it Huckabee and Santorum would be fighting for the religious right, and Paul and Cruz for the Tea Party contingent, leaving Bush the standout moderate unless Romney commits. Chris Christie
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Pillowpants posted:Chris Christie With running mate Scott Walker! 
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Santorum is not going to be even somewhat competitive in this primary. He'll stick around well after it's obvious he's going to lose and might pick up a minor win toward the end if every other crazy candidate has already flamed out. The moderate vote is going to split early between Bush, Christie, and probably Perry. People won't know quite what to make of Carson at first so he may surge a bit in the early polling but he's going to flame out early. Cruz is going to solidify most of the crazy person bloc almost immediately and may be able to win if the Bush/Christie/Perry wing doesn't start leaning towards one candidate reasonably fast. Either way he's going to make it very very tough for everyone else in the debates by dragging them as far right as possible.
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In what world is there a significant part of the active Tea Party that isn't also part of the Religious Right? Much of Paul's outreach is on homeschooling and I don't know of any way Huckabee differs on economics, aside from knowing how to better make it sound like compassion. I think some of you are forgetting how well Huckabee did at being affable and getting earned media off of that in 2008. Santorum sounds like a prick. Huck sounds like your favorite kind uncle. Cruz is the guy everyone hated in debate. Paul taaaalllkkkss liiike thiiiis. Huckabee is the closest thing to a Reagan-like communicator the GOP has. Someone can say he did xyz as gov and he can brush it off and say "there you go again" and turn to talking about working hard when he was a young man at American Values and free markets for a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and everyone will say "he's so nice sounding!" De Nomolos fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Daduzi posted:Way I see it Huckabee and Santorum would be fighting for the religious right, and Paul and Cruz for the Tea Party contingent, leaving Bush the standout moderate unless Romney commits. The religious right is never going to be torn between voting for a papist and voting for a good ol' boy Southern Baptist. Santorum only retains whatever traction he has when he's the only option for the moral crusade voter. Besides, Huck possesses the only thing more rare in a Republican Primary than compassion: a modicum of charisma.
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De Nomolos posted:Someone can say he did xyz as gov and he can brush it off and say "there you go again" and turn to talking about working hard when he was a young man at American Values and free markets for a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and everyone will say "he's so nice sounding!" Sorry, but he pardoned a guy who went on to kill cops; you can't hand-wave that away, especially with the crowd he's playing to. Good Citizen posted:Santorum is not going to be even somewhat competitive in this primary. He'll stick around well after it's obvious he's going to lose and might pick up a minor win toward the end if every other crazy candidate has already flamed out. This is pretty much my take; however, I think Santorum may be visible long enough to pull the debate towards social issues before flaming out (lol), and I'm thinking that Christie/Perry will probably fall pretty early, due to bridge/personality issues. Which leaves Bush and Cruz. Cruz will probably fail because the establishment thinks he cant follow orders -- leaving Bush. Am I right in worrying that a Bush v Clinton 2016 race will depress voter turnout, thus making things easier for the Republicans?
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I think bridgegate is a dead issue for anyone outside of NY/NJ. It caused Christie to lie low for a bit which means he's not going to start with the same lead he would have had otherwise, but I don't think it will cause much damage to his continuing efforts in the primary.
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Sharkie posted:This is pretty much my take; however, I think Santorum may be visible long enough to pull the debate towards social issues before flaming out (lol), and I'm thinking that Christie/Perry will probably fall pretty early, due to bridge/personality issues. Which leaves Bush and Cruz. Cruz will probably fail because the establishment thinks he cant follow orders -- leaving Bush. Am I right in worrying that a Bush v Clinton 2016 race will depress voter turnout, thus making things easier for the Republicans? Bush v Clinton seems more likely to increase turn out as either party's voters desire to vote against grand evil and for the protector of the ideological faith will be at it's highest.
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Huckabee came out very strong in Iowa in 2008 but had no chance of keeping up the momentum and fell of the map fairly quickly.
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Good Citizen posted:I think bridgegate is a dead issue for anyone outside of NY/NJ. It caused Christie to lie low for a bit which means he's not going to start with the same lead he would have had otherwise, but I don't think it will cause much damage to his continuing efforts in the primary. Its definitely going to play against people who are looking for examples of government over-reach. Christie also has problems being anti-gun and being an east-coast elite. Him more than anyone will not be able to slide on anything.
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De Nomolos posted:In what world is there a significant part of the active Tea Party that isn't also part of the Religious Right? Much of Paul's outreach is on homeschooling and I don't know of any way Huckabee differs on economics, aside from knowing how to better make it sound like compassion. Ron Paul consistently got 15-20% and Rand is a better candidate than him. He has a unique base and brand that the others won't be able to tap. Rand needs to hope that the early primary field stays divided so that he can get 1st-3rd place in those contests and hope that the others in the field bleed each other dry. Not that he can actually win the nomination. But that's never been his top priority in the race.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Huckabee came out very strong in Iowa in 2008 but had no chance of keeping up the momentum and fell of the map fairly quickly. Wasn't that because he just didn't have access to money? Given the massive online changes since then, I'd think he'd be the candidate best set up to raise poo poo tons of money through small online donations.
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Romney also dumped $15m of his personal fortune in Iowa in 2008, which none of the current batch of candidates are likely to do.
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Gyges posted:Wasn't that because he just didn't have access to money? Given the massive online changes since then, I'd think he'd be the candidate best set up to raise poo poo tons of money through small online donations. Didn't have the cash, couldn't keep up with Romney's fortune. Oddly enough, Romney dropped out before Huckabee though.
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Lockback posted:Its definitely going to play against people who are looking for examples of government over-reach. Christie also has problems being anti-gun and being an east-coast elite. Him more than anyone will not be able to slide on anything. If the investigation of the event pulled up anything showing Christie's direct involvement then I'd agree with you, but it didn't. He'll skate by on calling it just another liberal witch hunt and the vast majority of GOP primary voters will be willing to accept that. It won't be enough to cause any major impact on his primary campaign. Any anti-gun stuff will be a much bigger issue
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Joementum posted:Ron Paul consistently got 15-20% and Rand is a better candidate than him. He has a unique base and brand that the others won't be able to tap. Rand needs to hope that the early primary field stays divided so that he can get 1st-3rd place in those contests and hope that the others in the field bleed each other dry. Wait, really? I thought Rand's gameplan was always the 2016 nomination.
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Not all candidates in the primary are there to actually get the nomination, some like Newt find primaries work great when you coordinate them with book promotional tours.
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Huckabee gave me what I still think is the best moment of the '08 primaries so I hope he runs again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcAhXy9rARk
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De Nomolos posted:In what world is there a significant part of the active Tea Party that isn't also part of the Religious Right? Much of Paul's outreach is on homeschooling and I don't know of any way Huckabee differs on economics, aside from knowing how to better make it sound like compassion. Three words - "soft on crime". The Tea Party claim to be religious, but what part isn't totally authoritarian "hang the criminals"? There's no easy way to brush off what happened because of what he did, and there is no chance "this is what Jesus commsnded" will mean anything, since its not what Supply Side Jesus said.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Huckabee came out very strong in Iowa in 2008 but had no chance of keeping up the momentum and fell of the map fairly quickly. He had a pretty good showing on Super Tuesday, considering. If Fred Thompson withdraws from the race a few days earlier and Huckabee wins South Carolina instead of McCain (McCain won 33-30 over Huckabee, with Thompson pulling 16%), it's easy to see Huck doing a whole lot better in the primaries. Maybe it just means that Romney wins, who knows.
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Beamed posted:Wait, really? I thought Rand's gameplan was always the 2016 nomination. Rand would certainly like to be President and I think he'll actually try for it, unlike his dad where it was purely a vanity exercise, but the his primary reason for running is that it's required in order to maintain the Paulite army that gives him money. They feed on the idea of him catchin' on.
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Beamed posted:Wait, really? I thought Rand's gameplan was always the 2016 nomination. He'll take it if he can get it, but unlike a certain Dr. Seuss enthusiast, Rand hasn't burned so many bridges that he can't also bank on a long Senate career while repeating his father's act to milk his idiot base for all their worth.
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Joementum posted:Romney also dumped $15m of his personal fortune in Iowa in 2008, which none of the current batch of candidates are likely to do. I dunno, Bush is able to dump $15m into Iowa through some pretty discreet channels.
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Can someone explain to me the so-called blunder of Christie attending last night's football game?
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ufarn posted:Can someone explain to me the so-called blunder of Christie attending last night's football game? I saw a few comments about the cost of his visit (security and travel) and bro-hugging with Jerry Jones. Also people wondering if he ever stays in NJ anymore.
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Is there any candidate who no one calls a RINO?
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is there any candidate who no one calls a RINO? There's tons, but GOP voters don't have the will to vote for any of them in real numbers. They do need someone electable after all. RINO is just a code word for a competent politician who can actually put together legislation that passes. ErIog fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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ufarn posted:Can someone explain to me the so-called blunder of Christie attending last night's football game? The Cowboys are a rival of the New York Giants, which despite the name is a New Jersey team and won't be loved at home.
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Continuing on this theme, Chris Christie's brother says that the Cowboys have always been his favorite team and the Giants and Eagles suck.
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After the win, he looked so pathetic trying to get Jerry Jones to notice him. It's one thing for politicians to chase cash but to be shown literally throwing yourself at an insane billionaire is another.
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Jeb Bush on gay marriage in Florida: "The state should decide, didn't they already decide? But a judge overturned it so" *shrug* http://www.mediaite.com/print/jeb-bush-gay-marriage-should-be-state-decision-but-courts-overturned-it-i-guess/ Please tell me how this guy is going to get the nomination because  Unless it will be because it's the best the GOP can do.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Please tell me how this guy is going to get the nomination because
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Trevor Hale posted:After the win, he looked so pathetic trying to get Jerry Jones to notice him. It's one thing for politicians to chase cash but to be shown literally throwing yourself at an insane billionaire is another. What are you talking about? There was nothing awkward about... oh. Oh my. 
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Ahahaha he tried to come in.
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funtax posted:What are you talking about? There was nothing awkward about... oh. Oh my. In that GIF, Chris Christie is literally every awkward teenager looking for group acceptance that Jonah Hill has ever played.
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The new Five Nights at Freddy's game is REALLY weird.
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Must be like getting a hug from a pile of mashed potatoes.
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