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Reminder: King v Burwell is slated for SCOTUS hearings in March. For those who don't recall, this is the legal challenge to the ACA on providing subsidies, because at one point in the law it specifies state exchanges are eligible for them, not federal. The law mentions federal exchanges and subsidies at two other points in it and we have terabytes worth of politicians discussing it showing the subsidies were from all exchanges, but the counter to that is a guy who didn't pass the law said subsidies weren't for federal exchanges and the GOP really wants the ACA to fail, so that's a pretty heavy point to make. GOP still has no health care plan btw. And the ACA is still working better than even optimistic predictions expected
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Fried Chicken posted:GOP still has no health care plan btw. And the ACA is still working better than even optimistic predictions expected I was under the impression that, on several occasions last term, the Republicans had proposed a "plan", if you can call "repeal Obamacare and then pass all the stuff we liked about it in a piecemeal fashion, also tort reform" a plan.
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It's worth noting that if the price of oil from the tar sands goes to high, the result is that their profitability dies. The current downfall of oil prices has been something of a blow to their profitability, and it can be amusing how quickly their political star fades whenever that happens. That means a lot more when you consider that they're not exactly that popular here in Canada. Making them more profitable could well be a factor in their continued operation, and not doing so makes it substantially more likely that they will at least be more highly regulated in the future. Especially since Steven Harper is sort of reaching the expiry date for viability as a Prime Minister and the tar sands are very much something he would choose as his hill to die on.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:21
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My Imaginary GF posted:You wanna know why a donation's made, and how you can get in on that moneytrain for your % commish? You identify the big men in your state and look at their committee's public disclosures. Again, you work at a Subway.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:23
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SedanChair posted:Again, you work at a Subway. Is the Subway at least in Chicago?
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Jan 5, 2015 17:24
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SedanChair posted:Again, you work at a Subway. C'mon, it's an Arby's. Also I didn't realize until just now that Rahm's middle name was actually Israel.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:26
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Hodgepodge posted:Is the Subway at least in Chicago? No better place for high-powered glad-handling.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:32
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I was under the impression that, on several occasions last term, the Republicans had proposed a "plan", if you can call "repeal Obamacare and then pass all the stuff we liked about it in a piecemeal fashion, also tort reform" a plan. I don't think voting to repeal a law and saying they will, at some later date, do something (they won't say what) with a law (thus far unwritten) that will accomplish *talking point* through some mechanism (unknown and without empirical support) with the bonus of it won't cost anything and the can fit on a napkin constitutes a plan. Of course, what I just described was the "plan" for Iraq, so hey, I guess by their standards it is. On a different topic: You’re being very disrespectful walking around like that,” said one NYPD officer to ANIMAL photographer Aymann Ismail as he documented cops with their backs turned.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:34
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Oh yeah, I remember what else I was going to ask. Then what? You sell out your friends, you get money and power. Your new friends are hollow, you're hollow. What then? You win?
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Jan 5, 2015 17:35
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SedanChair posted:Oh yeah, I remember what else I was going to ask. Then what? #winning #dialfordollars #MembersOnly Of course you loving win. You keep making new friends and hollowing them out until they can pay no more.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:38
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No, because eventually you grow old and die, and all that's left is a world that's worse off and the decomposing body of someone who didn't care about other human beings.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:44
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I am beginning to suspect that you are literally Rahm Imanuel. Carl Levin, one of the Senators that actually voted against the Iraq war powers insanity, paints a rosy picture for the Senate as he retires: quote:"I will love my work until my last day here and...I will leave here with unabashed confidence in the Senate's ability to weather storms and meet the nation's needs," Levin said last month during his farewell address on the Senate floor. He's also a commie, apparently: quote:"There will be a real battle royal on tax reform," Levin said, "to benefit people who need the most support, instead of having growing wealth among the wealthy." Place your bets on what deranged psychopath will fill the vacancy he leaves behind on the Senate Armed Services Committee. How will they one-up having Michelle Bachmann on an intelligence committee?
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Jan 5, 2015 17:50
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How quickly we forget US truck sales up on cheap gas and easy credit quote:Spurred by low gasoline prices, pickup truck and large SUV sales surged in the month.
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Forget? We never learned in the first place. Why bother, when it's so much easier to be short-sighted, clueless and greedy?
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Jan 5, 2015 17:53
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Shifty Pony posted:How quickly we forget Welp, guess low prices are totally the new normal and will definitely last the lifetime of my vehicle, better buy a gas guzzler 
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Jan 5, 2015 17:53
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Shifty Pony posted:How quickly we forget People really have no business making their own decisions.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:54
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Good Citizen posted:Because it wouldn't change the outcome of the vote Yes but what kind of RINO in Conservative Clothing is he to have had the support of democrats?  Fried Chicken posted:Reminder: King v Burwell is slated for SCOTUS hearings in March. For those who don't recall, this is the legal challenge to the ACA on providing subsidies, because at one point in the law it specifies state exchanges are eligible for them, not federal. The law mentions federal exchanges and subsidies at two other points in it and we have terabytes worth of politicians discussing it showing the subsidies were from all exchanges, but the counter to that is a guy who didn't pass the law said subsidies weren't for federal exchanges and the GOP really wants the ACA to fail, so that's a pretty heavy point to make. It'd be nice if the SOTU was an actually report on the state of the country. But that'd involve things like Obama talking about how the ACA is helping millions but how the GOP is trying to do everything they can to get it repealed because they're spiteful children. It'd also require mentioning how hosed up our infrastructure is and that it's going to have to be fixed/replaced but that costs money.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:57
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Evil Fluffy posted:Yes but what kind of RINO in Conservative Clothing is he to have had the support of democrats? Obama thinks he can work with Republicans on issues where he agrees with their policy positions, like tax reform. For him, why ruin that working relationship by flouting how loving awesome ACA is? And folks call me delusional. Resign
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Jan 5, 2015 18:04
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zoux posted:People really have no business making their own decisions. How much of this has to do with people not understanding the genesis of gas prices? I mean, if you blame Obummer and Dumb-o-crats and see gas prices fall when Republicans take over the legislature (or get voted into it), perhaps there is at least some kind of reasoning. I really want to believe poor decisions come from poor reasoning and not just dumbassery.
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Jan 5, 2015 18:05
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Boot and Rally posted:How much of this has to do with people not understanding the genesis of gas prices? I mean, if you blame Obummer and Dumb-o-crats and see gas prices fall when Republicans take over the legislature (or get voted into it), perhaps there is at least some kind of reasoning. I really want to believe poor decisions come from poor reasoning and not just dumbassery. Basically all of it? Also poor reasoning is synonymous with dumbassery.
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Jan 5, 2015 18:06
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Evil Fluffy posted:It'd be nice if the SOTU was an actually report on the state of the country. But that'd involve things like Obama talking about how the ACA is helping millions but how the GOP is trying to do everything they can to get it repealed because they're spiteful children. That was prominently in his 2014 speech, dunno why he'd take it out this time around.
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Jan 5, 2015 18:08
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zoux posted:People really have no business making their own decisions. To be fair new trucks get much much better gas mileage than they did in the 90s and early 2000s. But then again so do all other cars.
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Boot and Rally posted:How much of this has to do with people not understanding the genesis of gas prices? I mean, if you blame Obummer and Dumb-o-crats and see gas prices fall when Republicans take over the legislature (or get voted into it), perhaps there is at least some kind of reasoning. I really want to believe poor decisions come from poor reasoning and not just dumbassery.
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Jan 5, 2015 18:21
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Shifty Pony posted:To be fair new trucks get much much better gas mileage than they did in the 90s and early 2000s. Looking at the GMC Sierra, you can get similar gas mileage compared with a Subaru Outback from four years ago.
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computer parts posted:Looking at the GMC Sierra, you can get similar gas mileage compared with a Subaru Outback from four years ago. The liberals have won 
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I was under the impression that, on several occasions last term, the Republicans had proposed a "plan", if you can call "repeal Obamacare and then pass all the stuff we liked about it in a piecemeal fashion, also tort reform" a plan. Which doesn't work since they like covering pre-existing conditions and don't like the individual mandate which bankrupts insurance companies. IT'S A SECRET REPUBLICAN PLAN TO GO TO SINGLE PAYER AND BLAME IT ON SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS?
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Jan 5, 2015 18:31
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zoux posted:The liberals have won liberals have truly won when you can power your SUV with LNG
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I've wanted to sell my Civic hybrid and get something cheaper for like a year. But if I do it now, Shankar Vedantam will talk about me with a smart-assed tone of voice and Scott Simon will be like "how can humans be this laughable?" and Vedantam will be like "we're mammals! Especially you SedanChair."
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Jan 5, 2015 18:34
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Post 9-11 User posted:
They already did that by tapping Inhofe to chair Environmental
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Jan 5, 2015 18:40
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computer parts posted:Looking at the GMC Sierra, you can get similar gas mileage compared with a Subaru Outback from four years ago. All wheel drive really eats into fuel economy. There is also arguably a bit of a bubble in auto financing, especially subprime. You can get insanely long auto loans now.
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All wheel drive rocks if you live somewhere that gets winter. However, Joe Schmuck in Scottsdale driving his F350 Super Duty can politely go idle in his closed garage.
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Jan 5, 2015 18:46
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DemeaninDemon posted:All wheel drive rocks if you live somewhere that gets winter. See that's the funny thing. Due to modern exhaust regulations, most vehicles aren't capable of killing you with exhaust before they run out of fuel.
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Jan 5, 2015 18:58
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Shifty Pony posted:All wheel drive really eats into fuel economy. Oh yeah, I've seen 8 year loans for cars when previously I didn't think anything beyond 3 years was common. The real gimmick these days is leasing though, a bunch of people are applying the same logic to it as they do to renting apartments too.
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DemeaninDemon posted:All wheel drive rocks if you live somewhere that gets winter. AWD seems to be a false crutch that gets people killed where I live.
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computer parts posted:Oh yeah, I've seen 8 year loans for cars when previously I didn't think anything beyond 3 years was common. 60 month is pretty common and always has been. 36 month lease/own are usually for people looking to dump the car after 3 years or just want a new one on a rolling basis and don't care. Magically, cars rapidly depreciate after the 3rd year...
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Jan 5, 2015 19:06
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Don't forget vehicle sales for business. Depreciation of vehicles also hinges on how many years you can use the car or truck as a write off before it's time to trade it in for something else.
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TyroneGoldstein posted:60 month is pretty common and always has been. 36 month lease/own are usually for people looking to dump the car after 3 years or just want a new one on a rolling basis and don't care. Magically, cars rapidly depreciate after the 3rd year... If you don't buy used you're just being dumb. Buy a 2-3 year old car that's 90% as good as a brand new vehicle and can cost half as much. Maybe costs 2/3 as much if you managed to get a hold of a vehicle off of a low mileage 3 year lease. Still worth saving 5-10k by buying a car that has maybe 20k miles on it though. Save the difference and use it on other things besides a car payment. Bonus points if buying used lets you skip getting a loan and pissing away thousands of dollars in interest.
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Evil Fluffy posted:If you don't buy used you're just being dumb. Buy a 2-3 year old car that's 90% as good as a brand new vehicle and can cost half as much. Maybe costs 2/3 as much if you managed to get ahold of a vehicle off of a low mileage 3 year lease. Still worth saving 5-10k by buying a car that has maybe 20k miles on it though. Looks like someone hasn't looked at the used car market lately. About the only way to get a 2-3 year old low mileage used car for 60-70% of new is to buy a salvage title or a Chevrolet.
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Shifty Pony posted:Looks like someone hasn't looked at the used car market lately. I must be an anomaly then, because I managed it. Anecdotes, yay!
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Shifty Pony posted:Looks like someone hasn't looked at the used car market lately. Maybe depends on the area but I've had pretty good luck with used cars the last few years. In 2012 getting a year old low mileage Elantra for about $5-6k less than used. Then after some lady totaled it for me getting a low mileage year old loaded Altima for about 2/3 the cost of a new. Fried Chicken posted:I must be an anomaly then, because I managed it. Wanna make a club?
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