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Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.

Panthrax posted:

So close... Just let me choose the 10 or 15 channels I want, I'll give you $30 or $40/mo and I'll be a happy camper. Maybe in a couple more years we'll be there.

For me it's not really so much choose the channels I want it is that there are channels that not only do I have no interest in watching, they are loving expensive:



Bundled Sling TV Channels posted:

]ESPN, ESPN2, Disney Channel, ABC Family, Food Network, HGTV, Travel Channel, TNT, CNN, TBS, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim,

So you have bundled some of the most expensive channels on TV that I have absolutely no interest in watching, how is this a better solution to me. Hopefully Sony will announce a better deal tonight.

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Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

Three Olives posted:

So you have bundled some of the most expensive channels on TV that I have absolutely no interest in watching, how is this a better solution to me. Hopefully Sony will announce a better deal tonight.

I'm afraid I've got some BAD NEWS

quote:

Sony’s upcoming Internet-delivered TV service will carry 100 channels and a surprisingly high price tag of as much as $80 a month, The Post has learned.

The Japanese media and electronics giant is set to launch the service before year’s end as a way to goose sales of its Web-connected TV sets during the crucial holiday season. But the price is on par with that of a traditional cable and satellite programming package and is on the high side for a so-called over the top service.

One source told The Post that the price would be around the $80 mark, while a second person said, “We hear its going to be competitive with a traditional basic cable package at between $60 to $65.” Analysts predicted that Sony’s streaming service and another from Dish Network would be designed to appeal to consumers interested in less expensive programming options and would charge closer to $30 a month.

Sony last month revealed a big deal with Viacom to carry 22 of its channels, including MTV, Comedy Central and Nickelodeon. It has also held talks with Fox and Disney.

“They had huge ambitions of breaking up the bundle and being the champion of the consumer, but they’ve had no success in doing that and they’re licking their wounds,” said one source. “They got creamed in negotiations.” It is expected the new Web TV service will be made available over Sony’s PlayStation.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/05/sony-sets-high-price-bar-for-web-tv/

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000


Hahaha, if this is true it'll be hilarious, because getting hosed by the content providers over licensing is exactly what lead Intel and Microsoft to abandon their streaming tv initiatives before they were released (as in they had a fully functional platform that they abandoned/sold because the content licensing was too expensive). People somehow thought it would be different coming from Sony.

Maneki Neko fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jan 6, 2015

Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

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Yeah, no thanks for $80.

Right now, I have Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu Plus. Sometimes I'll get the WWE network, sometimes not making my monthly TV bill roughly $20-30 (I split Amazon Prime).

I could see picking this up for a trial month at $20. The main channel I really miss is Food Network, but I could see replacing Hulu with this (have lifetime OTA Tivo as well) and the kids could watch Cartoon Network and Disney for their kid fix. Does Travel Channel still show Adam Richman 15 times a day?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
Internet TV is great, this totally wont eat through my 300gb/m comcap like netflix does. We have to turn HD off on netflix just to not hit the cap.

Maybe this will force comcast to up it.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Don Lapre posted:

Internet TV is great, this totally wont eat through my 300gb/m comcap like netflix does. We have to turn HD off on netflix just to not hit the cap.

Maybe this will force comcast to up it.
Home telecoms will just transition the same way mobile telecoms did. Instead of the bulk of your bill being minutes and texts, it's now data. If consumers start canceling TV packages in favor of streaming solutions, the bill structure will switch to data tiers and overage charges.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Home telecoms will just transition the same way mobile telecoms did. Instead of the bulk of your bill being minutes and texts, it's now data.

I feel like an idiot for not understanding this but it makes so much sense when you consider modern cable networks, broadcast TV is just data, essentially no different than broadband internet as far as the network is concerned, at this point Cable TV is basically just network traffic as far as the cable companies are concerned, they freak out over data caps and net neutrality because their ace in the hole right now is they want to sell you the exact same content as everyone else over the same pipes in the same manner, just bundle it to you differently.

quote:

If consumers start canceling TV packages in favor of streaming solutions, the bill structure will switch to data tiers and overage charges.

Which is fine, an honest level playing field will probably bring costs down, I pay basically the same as I was paying a few years ago now for like 4 times as much data and now unlimited text and voice with AT&T plus a tablet with it's own always on data LTE connection, I could get a better deal if I was willing to deal with slightly shittier service. Open the field, people will figure out a way. LTE multicast is a thing, AT&T has a shitload of spectrum in major markets, it is completely conceivable now that they could offer a similar solution to SDV with LTE multicast in dense areas with TV in a year or two.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Three Olives posted:

I feel like an idiot for not understanding this but it makes so much sense when you consider modern cable networks, broadcast TV is just data, essentially no different than broadband internet as far as the network is concerned, at this point Cable TV is basically just network traffic as far as the cable companies are concerned, they freak out over data caps and net neutrality because their ace in the hole right now is they want to sell you the exact same content as everyone else over the same pipes in the same manner, just bundle it to you differently.


Which is fine, an honest level playing field will probably bring costs down, I pay basically the same as I was paying a few years ago now for like 4 times as much data and now unlimited text and voice with AT&T plus a tablet with it's own always on data LTE connection, I could get a better deal if I was willing to deal with slightly shittier service. Open the field, people will figure out a way. LTE multicast is a thing, AT&T has a shitload of spectrum in major markets, it is completely conceivable now that they could offer a similar solution to SDV with LTE multicast in dense areas with TV in a year or two.

Cable TV could be like that but its still not. They are still using qam instead of IP. Even on demand is qam.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.

Don Lapre posted:

Cable TV could be like that but its still not. They are still using qam instead of IP. Even on demand is qam.

DOCIS is QAM, coax has a shitload of bandwidth but it's still fundamentally a high bandwidth analog pipe that you need some way to modulate the digital data on.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Three Olives posted:

DOCIS is QAM, coax has a shitload of bandwidth but it's still fundamentally a high bandwidth analog pipe that you need some way to modulate the digital data on.

I guess I more meant, they are sending every channel to everyone at all times. Instead of just doing an ip stream. But maybe its better the old way. Dunno

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Don Lapre posted:

Internet TV is great, this totally wont eat through my 300gb/m comcap like netflix does. We have to turn HD off on netflix just to not hit the cap.

Maybe this will force comcast to up it.

I have no data cap on my 50/10 connection from comcast :smug:

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.

Don Lapre posted:

I guess I more meant, they are sending every channel to everyone at all times. Instead of just doing an ip stream. But maybe its better the old way. Dunno

QAM is just the modulation, cable is analog, modern fiber is arguably analog. In the days before HD everything, high bandwidth demands and not a gazillion channels you could probably save some bandwidth over broad multicast with cable but cable cos have deployed SDV for a while now, Time Warner provides an HD stream of pretty much all of their HD channels right now over IP, I suspect they will move to IP set tops with the same infrastructure in the next couple of years.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

teagone posted:

I have no data cap on my 50/10 connection from comcast :smug:
Yeah see you say that now.

I have no cap either but I also have no misconceptions on how much telecoms loving suck.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Yeah see you say that now.

I have no cap either but I also have no misconceptions on how much telecoms loving suck.

Don't ruin it for me :smith:

Gozinbulx
Feb 19, 2004
Three olives, which are the news channels you must have? Sincere question.

I say because while I know the xbmc live streamoverse is something of a convuleted nightmare, there are always solid, never go down streams of BBC world, Al Jazeera, CNN and CNN international and MSNBC (pretty sure). Fox probably too but lol.

I pretty much only watch BBC world so these streams actually fulfill a lifelong dream rather than replace something I had elsewhere.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.

Gozinbulx posted:

Three olives, which are the news channels you must have? Sincere question.

I say because while I know the xbmc live streamoverse is something of a convuleted nightmare, there are always solid, never go down streams of BBC world, Al Jazeera, CNN and CNN international and MSNBC (pretty sure). Fox probably too but lol.

I pretty much only watch BBC world so these streams actually fulfill a lifelong dream rather than replace something I had elsewhere.

Honestly, MSNBC. I have a TiVo, I have Rokus, I have a Google TV, Chromecast, the only thing I don't have is a beefy desktop. I know I really need to cobble something together with Plex and I would be super happy, I just don't know really where to start without getting bogged down into hardware choices, platforms, blah blah blah.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Three Olives posted:

Honestly, MSNBC. I have a TiVo, I have Rokus, I have a Google TV, Chromecast, the only thing I don't have is a beefy desktop. I know I really need to cobble something together with Plex and I would be super happy, I just don't know really where to start without getting bogged down into hardware choices, platforms, blah blah blah.

For an HTPC build?

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CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus H81I-PLUS Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($32.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($62.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Silverstone ML05B HTPC Case ($40.41 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: FSP Group 300W 80+ Certified SFX Power Supply ($39.40 @ Mwave)
Total: $302.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-05 22:38 EST-0500

Gozinbulx
Feb 19, 2004
Or a NUC...

Three Olives, there is a guy named VdubT25 who used to maintain an awesome IPTV list that he updates almost daily. Now he simply has his own addon (under the same name), He has a very good section for News and I just checked it now and yeah it MSNBC in good quality and it seems like one of those streams that never goes down. You should check it out and see if its good/stable enough for you before you cut anything.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Gozinbulx posted:

Or a NUC...


True unless you want to PVR with wmc or something, though i guess you could run external drives.

edit: Didn't realize the nucs could take 2.5" drives now, nice.

Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Jan 6, 2015

Tyson Tomko
May 8, 2005

The Problem Solver.

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

We pay $65 a month (including all fees and taxes) for cable internet with speeds up to 50 Mbps (only 20 by the time it goes through our system) with 350 Gb monthly cap.

3 years ago, we had that same cable internet (same price but slower speeds and no data cap) as well as paying over $100 a month for Direct TV. We got rid of Direct TV and just use Netflix, Hulu Plus and Amazon Prime for all of our viewing. That is less than $25 a month if we paid for the services. We use Bing Rewards and get Hulu Plus for free. I did a RadioShack deal and got 18 months of Netflix for $30 (ends in September). I let my little brother use my Hulu and Netflix and he lets us use his Amazon account so that is free. We use our Sony blu-Ray player and Roku to stream all of these.

We have reduced our costs greatly with small purchases that are paid off in a few months. The only thing I wish we had was an antenna but we live in rural Illinois and cannot get a OTA signal. You have a lot more options that could help you save even more.

We're in the same boat (and live in the same town as you haha.) Out internet owns and has practically 0 downtime, paying for 12mbps but getting 30+, and since our cable line (brand new cable was ran underground too) is active we also get the handful of local channels for free to take care of any news/sports coverage we're missing. Off the top of my head via the cable we pull in QVC, a million NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX channels, C-span, PBSx2, etc.

I've done a little playing with OTA here and there and we can definitely pull in some signals but it's just nothing we don't already get for free via the cable dealio. All you can really pull in around here is PBS anyway (at least 2 if not more) and maybe Fox if the planets align just the right way.

Our setup is pretty similar. Even though we've got a few devices that can do it (Blu-ray player, smart tv, etc) 99% of the time we use our Roku 3, PS3, or HTPCified laptop to get our streaming/Plex action.

Oh yeah you should also use some of that money saved to get platinum so I can PM random stuff, like this badass OTA link for example:

http://www.antennaweb.org/Address.aspx
(shows us as getting PBS and NBC, no mention of the random Fox I got every once in a while)

Tyson Tomko fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Jan 6, 2015

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat
http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/dish-unveils-internet-pay-tv-service-sling-tv-starting-at-20-monthly-1201392262/
and
http://www.cnet.com/news/dish-launches-20-sling-tv-streaming-video-service-with-channel-lineup-that-includes-espn-disney/

So it won't include DVR, but you'll have limited access to on-demand programming including maybe three to seven days of the most recent programs.

Also, since there's no DVR, you won't get to skip commercials. And things you watch on demand will assuredly have unskippable commercials.

Ugh. Thanks, but no thanks.

I'm sure this is due to the content licenses including a big "NO HOPPER" clause.

PuTTY riot
Nov 16, 2002

Tyson Tomko posted:

We're in the same boat (and live in the same town as you haha.) Out internet owns and has practically 0 downtime, paying for 12mbps but getting 30+, and since our cable line (brand new cable was ran underground too) is active we also get the handful of local channels for free to take care of any news/sports coverage we're missing. Off the top of my head via the cable we pull in QVC, a million NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX channels, C-span, PBSx2, etc.

I've done a little playing with OTA here and there and we can definitely pull in some signals but it's just nothing we don't already get for free via the cable dealio. All you can really pull in around here is PBS anyway (at least 2 if not more) and maybe Fox if the planets align just the right way.

Our setup is pretty similar. Even though we've got a few devices that can do it (Blu-ray player, smart tv, etc) 99% of the time we use our Roku 3, PS3, or HTPCified laptop to get our streaming/Plex action.

Oh yeah you should also use some of that money saved to get platinum so I can PM random stuff, like this badass OTA link for example:

http://www.antennaweb.org/Address.aspx
(shows us as getting PBS and NBC, no mention of the random Fox I got every once in a while)

I really like tvfool.com for this kind of thing.

SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:

http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/dish-unveils-internet-pay-tv-service-sling-tv-starting-at-20-monthly-1201392262/
and
http://www.cnet.com/news/dish-launches-20-sling-tv-streaming-video-service-with-channel-lineup-that-includes-espn-disney/

So it won't include DVR, but you'll have limited access to on-demand programming including maybe three to seven days of the most recent programs.

Also, since there's no DVR, you won't get to skip commercials. And things you watch on demand will assuredly have unskippable commercials.

Ugh. Thanks, but no thanks.

I'm sure this is due to the content licenses including a big "NO HOPPER" clause.

This is why hulu blows and also why I don't understand why people pay for it. Oh well.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:

I'm sure this is due to the content licenses including a big "NO HOPPER" clause.

The only reason they were able to come up with the service is because it was payment for adding a delay to the hopper.

I'm really hoping that the one device at a time thing I've read a few times isn't true. I could maybe see myself paying $20 a month if two devices could be active at a time but there's no chance I'm paying that for access on a single device.

Tyson Tomko
May 8, 2005

The Problem Solver.

PuTTY riot posted:

I really like tvfool.com for this kind of thing.

I hadn't looked at Ota stuff in so long I couldn't find that site for the hell of me. Thanks!

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

PuTTY riot posted:

I really like tvfool.com for this kind of thing.


This is why hulu blows and also why I don't understand why people pay for it. Oh well.

I use bing rewards for Hulu. You can easily make the points it needs for a free month with a few days of binging.

emocrat
Feb 28, 2007
Sidewalk Technology

SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:

I use bing rewards for Hulu. You can easily make the points it needs for a free month with a few days of binging.

What kind of search volume do you need to get a month of Hulu? I'm not really up for a not to do it, and I Dont really want to use bing for everything. Is it something that is feasible to just knock out in a few days of normal use or does it take a lot?

Doobie Keebler
May 9, 2005

emocrat posted:

What kind of search volume do you need to get a month of Hulu? I'm not really up for a not to do it, and I Dont really want to use bing for everything. Is it something that is feasible to just knock out in a few days of normal use or does it take a lot?

Your initial startup is about 30 days. You need 450 points and you can earn at least 15 per day. For every 2 searches you get a point up to 15 per day. They also throw in a free single-click point or 2 a day and there are double point days a few times month where you can earn 30+ per day. The easiest way is to open Bing image search and search something random. Then just click through the related links on the top of the page 30 times. As long as you haven't searched them that day they count towards your 30 clicks. It takes about 2 minutes a day.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
Just be careful if you search from work or on some sort of VPN. I got banned for breaking TOS because my work network is located in Missouri and I'm in Michigan. Stupid.

Super Dude
Jan 23, 2005
Do the Jew
You can also get 10 points per day for searching on mobile, but I'm having a really hard time getting the searches to register on the rewards dashboard.

Tyson Tomko
May 8, 2005

The Problem Solver.
Check it out I would consider myself a bing rewards expert. Forget all of the manual searching and especially forget the bots out there. The sure fire way of doing legit searching and super quickly is this:

Open up 50 tabs or so, no sarcasm. This one time do a bazillion searches and leave the results open. Bookmark the open tabs in their own folder. Do this until you have 5 or 6 folders setup. From here on out, every morning just right click one foldet and open all tabs...bam all searches done about instantly. I have done this since day 1 with zero issues. It rocks so much.

You can then download a browser plug in to fake it into thinking it's running ios and get the mobile points too. We have hulu for ages now and can get tons of $5 amazon gift cards.

Tyson Tomko fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jan 10, 2015

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe
Another easy way to do searches is to search a musician in the videos section.

You get a bar with 20 songs and each song you click (as long as you haven't clicked it before on the same day) counts as a search. If you have a touchscreen, it barely takes any time at all to max out your points.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

I use a chrome extension and hit a button to get all my bing points because :effort:

Super Dude
Jan 23, 2005
Do the Jew

teagone posted:

I use a chrome extension and hit a button to get all my bing points because :effort:

What extension?

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat
I enjoy hulu. After using it for a month, I cancel and I get offered two free months. This has happened every time I've tried to cancel. At this point the cycle is buy a month, cancel, two free months. Buy the fourth month, etc.

Super-NintendoUser fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jan 10, 2015

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Please keep your Bing point farming discussion to Coupons or preferably SlickDeals.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Please keep your Bing point farming discussion to Coupons or preferably SlickDeals.

Is there already a thread for it there? I think a lot of people in this thread are interested in it. Kinda the target audience.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

BigFactory posted:

Is there already a thread for it there? I think a lot of people in this thread are interested in it. Kinda the target audience.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3472001

Alternately

https://www.reddit.com/r/beermoney

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

That thread's a mess. I don't even understand what it's about.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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I'm not sure this is the right thread; but i'm guessing a few people here have a chromecast.

Does anyone know if the Time Warner Cable TV app for iOS works with Chromecast? I don't know a whole lot on how Chromecast works.

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Casyl
Feb 19, 2012

Auron posted:

I'm not sure this is the right thread; but i'm guessing a few people here have a chromecast.

Does anyone know if the Time Warner Cable TV app for iOS works with Chromecast? I don't know a whole lot on how Chromecast works.

The TWC app for Android does not, so I'd be very surprised if the iOS version did.

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