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McSpanky posted:A Terminutter, if you will. Sperminator, duh.
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Parachute posted:Alternate theory. Terminator sex with stolen Kyle Reese sperm just to loving get the ball rolling. That's about as far from the meaning of Terminator you can get. More like... Originator or something.
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BiggestOrangeTree posted:That's about as far from the meaning of Terminator you can get. More like... Originator or something. Well considering that within the loop of the first two movies the Terminator being sent back in the first place is what created Skynet.. He's his own Robot Grandpa.
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Basebf555 posted:Its been brought up before but one factor is how much does Skynet really know about previous timelines(ie past versions of itself). Like, does it have knowledge that we don't about an "original" timeline where nobody ever traveled through time and Judgment Day occurred on a different day than what we're told in T2? Does it somehow have insight into this "multiverse" and is able to see all the various branches of the tree and chose which to take? The answer would change things a lot. That was pretty much the aliens in Edge Of Tomorrow. Franchise crossover opportunity?
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As long as the crossover makes the aliens in Edge of Tomorrow look better than in the movie I'm down.
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Yeah that was the only real letdown in that movie. So much so I can't even remember what the aliens look like.
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Parachute posted:Yeah that was the only real letdown in that movie. So much so I can't even remember what the aliens look like. I thought that was weird yea, disappointing visual effects is something that I wasn't expecting from a big-budget Tom Cruise movie. The story and the characters were great, it could have been an instant sci-fi classic if the aliens themselves weren't totally forgettable.
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I know the speculation is in good fun, but for me, the details of time travel in the universe of the Terminator movies is one of the least interesting things about them.
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Only a machine deals in absolutes.
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Basebf555 posted:I thought that was weird yea, disappointing visual effects is something that I wasn't expecting from a big-budget Tom Cruise movie. The story and the characters were great, it could have been an instant sci-fi classic if the aliens themselves weren't totally forgettable. It was a good movie, they should of kept the original title "All you need is kill" and they should of keep the ending were they had to fight each other to the death to get out of the time loop and kept the mecha battle axes.
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That's why it's important to read the time travel only as a metaphorical thing. Imagine Terminator, but with the time travelling killer robot removed. What you have is a woman in a dead-end job with nothing all that interesting in her life, who will probably never amount to much and never gain control of the stuff that affects the conditions of her existence, basically getting dragged along in the current of time. The Terminator is in this manner a metaphorical representation of this anxiety, 'the machine' of capitalism literally hunting her down. Kyle Reese functions as a wake-up call - someone who goes on a one-way trip to die for what they believe in. He is Sarah's own desire for meaning and an escape from the machine she feels coming for her. The factory at the end is a perfectly clear metaphor for capitalism, of people being replaced by machines. I mean that's the terminator's whole thing, what with hiding inside a human and all. Seemingly effortlessly, Sarah's next act after undergoing this experience is to become a revolutionary. Without the time-travelling robot knowledge, seeing someone drop everything and undergo this change seems crazy. Why would someone give up a fairly decent job and comfortable lifestyle? What makes her not-crazy is looking inside her mind and seeing that she knows everyone is dead already. It's only in accepting the utter meaninglessness of her life that she has nothing to lose and is truly free. What I'm saying is you're totally right in not caring about the time travel mechanics themselves because none of that is what makes Terminator good at all. While I'm fond of T3 for several reasons, its biggest failing is that it gets none of this emotional or philosophical stuff. There are no dream sequences where a character witnesses the world melting, or if there are they're so completely unmemorable I forgot them. John meets the robot that will kill him and just sort of says 'man it sucks that I'm going to die some day, I guess', and that's it. The sort of Connor-esque reaction one would expect would be to embrace the inevitability of his death and use the time he has to send a message. Retroactively though, the sucky Connor really sets up the character we see in Salvation, so even that isn't as bad as I used to think it was. Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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Understandable, even Terminator 2: The Official Screensaver and Desktop Companion is an artistic masterwork compared to Salvation.
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Nipplebox posted:I know the speculation is in good fun, but for me, the details of time travel in the universe of the Terminator movies is one of the least interesting things about them.
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Sasquatch! posted:I agree that getting bogged down in the details of time travel is where it turns into tedium, but the concept (and I guess the act?) of time travel is pretty fundamental to the story and is interesting as long as people don't start to sperg out with picking it apart. The big question for now is if Genisys is able to leverage the time travel as a cool concept that moves the story along and raises some potentially interesting questions or not. There is seemingly a base assumption throughout CD that any time travel plot point has to be examined for its grounding in science, and outside of time travel movies where that's what the plot is actually about (relatively few of them) this is about as exciting as figuring out why Superman's clothes don't vaporize whenever he does anything.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:There is seemingly a base assumption throughout CD that any time travel plot point has to be examined for its grounding in science, and outside of time travel movies where that's what the plot is actually about (relatively few of them) this is about as exciting as figuring out why Superman's clothes don't vaporize whenever he does anything. Even though this kind of sperging was going on even before Terminator 2 came out, I actually blame Terminator 3 because that's when time travel stopped acting as an allegory for fate/free will and just became about Skynet recursively managing its temporal incursion losses.
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McSpanky posted:Even though this kind of sperging was going on even before Terminator 2 came out, I actually blame Terminator 3 because that's when time travel stopped acting as an allegory for fate/free will and just became about Skynet recursively managing its temporal incursion losses. It actually had the potential to do even more with John than the second movie but failed to. Like okay, he survived past the Judgement Day date, but Judgement Day still happens anyway, does it even matter if he's killed? If a new loop was created where he meets Catherine Brewster is he really more or less important than her? The T-850 flies him to an outdated nuclear bunker which was interesting because it was probably the one place with all the communications equipment needed to reach out to people without being connected to the internet. The T-850 here is the one who killed John Connor in the future, and is then reprogrammed by Brewster to go back and protect them. This is interesting because we, as viewers, now realize that if the T-X succeeded it wouldn't have changed anything because we know these other timelines existed because of the closed loop of Terminator 1. But the characters in T3 do not, and so Brewster and, through her, the T-850 assume that if John dies in that past then crazy things happen in the future instantly instead it just making a new timeline. Unfortunately, while I do actually like T3 it doesn't really go into that, fortunately the action scenes are pretty good in it (particularly the opening chase) and the ending actually was a pretty cool twist when seen in a theater opening day. Everyone realized the next movie would have to be about JOHN CONNOR finally and the FUTURE WAR and him teaching everyone to storm the walls and stop the enslavement and elimination of the entire human race against an unfeeling machine that is now also the internet. Oh my god Terminator 4 is going to be amazing!!! 
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On the subject of time travel, didn't Cameron help Bryan Singer come up with the time travel/alternate timeline concepts for Days of Future Past?
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Chairman Capone posted:On the subject of time travel, didn't Cameron help Bryan Singer come up with the time travel/alternate timeline concepts for Days of Future Past? What, did they watch Back to the Future together or something?
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Designing the Predator, etc. I like that James Cameron is the go to "Hey man I have some dumb sci-fi poo poo that's not working out help me out fam"
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Chairman Capone posted:On the subject of time travel, didn't Cameron help Bryan Singer come up with the time travel/alternate timeline concepts for Days of Future Past? I think that might have been, you know, Chris Claremont.
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Timby posted:I think that might have been, you know, Chris Claremont. It's really strange, but I've always thought that plotline came after The Terminator, but, nope, came out in 1981, years before that film.
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Timby posted:I think that might have been, you know, Chris Claremont. Well, the way time travel works in the comic is different from the movie, at least from what I remember of the comic. Or maybe I'm confusing it with the animated TV series episode.
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Chairman Capone posted:Well, the way time travel works in the comic is different from the movie, at least from what I remember of the comic. Or maybe I'm confusing it with the animated TV series episode. "Character in dystopian future hellscape is sent back in time to younger self in order to prevent said dystopian future hellscape from happening" is kind of the entire crux of the comic. The only difference is that in the comic, Kitty sent herself back, while in the movie Kitty sent Wolverine back because Hugh Jackman sells movie tickets.
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Timby posted:"Character in dystopian future hellscape is sent back in time to younger self in order to prevent said dystopian future hellscape from happening" is kind of the entire crux of the comic. The only difference is that in the comic, Kitty sent herself back, while in the movie Kitty sent Wolverine back because Hugh Jackman sells movie tickets. I forget, wasn't more like Rachel Summers helped send Kitty mentally back because she was the only one left alive that could use to communicate to the past?
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Young Freud posted:I forget, wasn't more like Rachel Summers helped send Kitty mentally back because she was the only one left alive that could use to communicate to the past? Rachel can send her thoughts back in time to an earlier version of herself. She wants to send herself to stop the Sentinels but she was still a baby when all the bad poo poo went down so she couldn't warn anyone. Eventually she figures out how to send someone else and does, exactly like they have Kitty do in the movie.
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SwissCM posted:Sperminator, duh. The Inseminator. How has this (porno) not already been made? We must travel to the past and make it. E: no porn but what we make. E2: realtalk: following up on the actual discussion, John Connor himself is irrelevant because he represents our hope that our children will make the world better (by smashing capitalism). The message is that we can't just sit back and gently caress things up (judgement day) and hope that Indigo Children will lead us into the Age of Aquarius; the revolution starts with us. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jan 13, 2015 |
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There have been a lot of Terminator porn spoofs, I think the most infamous was The Penetrator (tagline, "I will come again"). There is an Inseminoid movie but it's one of the endless stream (see what I did there?) of "aliens abduct a bunch of girls....FOR SEX!" movies prevalent in the late eighties and early nineties.Young Freud posted:It's really strange, but I've always thought that plotline came after The Terminator, but, nope, came out in 1981, years before that film. The scene of Kyle/Sarah embracing as the truck with the T-800 burns in the background is ripped directly from the ending of C.H.U.D. It's even more blatant in Cameron's concept art. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jan 13, 2015 |
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Hodgepodge posted:The Inseminator. You have it backwards by the by. There was a version of that porno, but it was destined to destroy humanity. Knowing this we sent a terminator back in time to kill the director's mother before he was ever born. This failed, knowing this we sent a second terminator back in time to kill the director as a teenager. It failed. Then I guess we send a hooker back to... yeah this is sort of going off the rails.
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Caros posted:You have it backwards by the by. There was a version of that porno, but it was destined to destroy humanity. Knowing this we sent a terminator back in time to kill the director's mother before he was ever born. This failed, knowing this we sent a second terminator back in time to kill the director as a teenager. It failed. Then I guess we send a hooker back to... yeah this is sort of going off the rails. So I guess you could say that you only delayed the inevitable. Judgement Day is cumming. Oh god. This is how it starts isn't it?
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Live with me if you want to come.
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davidspackage posted:Lie with me if you want to come. That's better. EDIT: Actually, the original line doesn't need to change at all.
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Come with me if you want to come with me
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But we did prevent SkyNet from coming too soon.
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SwissCM posted:Come with me if you want to come with me Cum with me if you want to live.
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Marcus getting his skin back so he can have sex with cancer lady makes more sense than what actually happened
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Old Gus: The penalty for a robot harming a human will be one thousand years frozen in carbonite! Derek 'Stormy' Waters: A thousand years frozen in carbonite? It'll be so cold! Captain Murphy: My nipples are hard just thinking about it. 
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Ok, I know everyone here loves terminator but we can talk about Enthiran? The film's story revolves around the scientist's struggle to control his creation, the android robot whose software was upgraded to give it the ability to comprehend and generate human emotions. The plan backfires as the robot falls in love with the scientist's fiancée and is further manipulated to bring destruction to the world when it lands in the hands of a rival scientist. Yes, this is the Indian terminator movie, that was claimed to be the highest-grossing Indian film of all time, although because official box office records are not kept in India, this cannot be independently verified. Budget of 21 million dollars with a box office sales of 40 million. Fair warning, since this is an Indian film, there is dancing and there are songs.    loving Indian Terminator, I love it.
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Endhiran is probably one of the smartest films ever made about artificial intelligence, or about parenthood and social structures, even.
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