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VerdantSquire posted:Is there an event chain to let the July 20 plot (Or really any other Hitler assassination plot) succeed in the Hearts of Iron games? Because I think that's the only way I can justify playing Germany to myself. I recall DH had an event if you started as the Weimar Republic in the earliest start date where you picked if you had a fascist coup, a communist coup, and maybe there was a 'keep democracy alive' option although that one may have been from a mod. Communist Germany would still be pretty scary but honestly way less awkward than Hitler/Himmler.
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DrProsek posted:Communist Germany would still be pretty scary Don't make me partition your rear end!
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:I only play states that have no legacy of oppression. Loads up as Neutral Moresnet with an IC of 0.00003. I think it's reasonable to make a distinction between the routine brutality of states & Literally Nazi Germany, Mr. Mussolini.
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PleasingFungus posted:I think it's reasonable to make a distinction between the routine brutality of states & Literally Nazi Germany, Mr. Mussolini. Ohoho, the Sonderweg argument! 
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VerdantSquire posted:Is there an event chain to let the July 20 plot (Or really any other Hitler assassination plot) succeed in the Hearts of Iron games? Because I think that's the only way I can justify playing Germany to myself. I can't recall if it exists in DH but in HoI2 there was an event for it that, for me at least, would mis-fire and kill all of the nazis and all of the plotters leaving Germany with practically no ministers to lead it.
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Koesj posted:Ohoho, the Sonderweg argument! It's never going to die, friend.
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Playing almost exclusively with mods that are not railroading you into historicity as much as possible, there's always at least one if not several opportunities to kill Hitler in a plot.
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Westminster System posted:Playing almost exclusively with mods that are not railroading you into historicity as much as possible, there's always at least one if not several opportunities to kill Hitler in a plot. Different strokes for different folks
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Now I'm wondering if there's any kill/coup Stalin mods, but what would that mod replace him with? I guess restoring the Tsar, maybe an attempt to restore the 1917 Russian Republic? Probably just same old USSR under slightly different management though.
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DrProsek posted:Now I'm wondering if there's any kill/coup Stalin mods, but what would that mod replace him with? I guess restoring the Tsar, maybe an attempt to restore the 1917 Russian Republic? Probably just same old USSR under slightly different management though. Assuming that this happens before the army and the internal opposition were purged, probably guys like Bukharin and Tuchaevsky (sic) would be in charge. So, you'd have better commanders and more minister choices/ slightly more open societies, but probably worse IC since Bukharin was on the "right wing" of Stalin and Trotsky in terms of how fast the country should industrialize / collectivize.
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A HoI mod where Hitler gets assassinated by like fifty time travelers at once before he can consolidate power in Nazi Germany would be kinda funny. Pointless, but funny.
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Jan 6, 2015 20:39
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A mod where Hitler repents his evil plans and commits suicide days after the game begins, leaving behind a green, religiously tolerant and multicultural Reich. 
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Jan 6, 2015 20:44
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Where the hell is our Red Alert HoI total conversion mod
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Jan 6, 2015 20:53
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Takanago posted:Where the hell is our Red Alert HoI total conversion mod Holy poo poo this needs to be done for HoI4
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Jan 6, 2015 21:12
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Wasn't there a DH mod where you can just rule that the Weimar Republic totally stays democratic ... and WW2 ends up triggering anyway so you as Goody Germany have to defend Europe from Communism?
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Holy poo poo this needs to be done for HoI4 What I want is the freaking Gundam one, but in English. Pdox, why not go down an alt-history route with one of the HOI4 DLCs and let us research and field various crazy super-weapons?
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Jan 6, 2015 21:22
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I always wanted to whip an alt-history scenario where WW2 is the Soviets and their allies Red America vs The World.
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Fintilgin posted:I always wanted to whip an alt-history scenario where WW2 is the Soviets and their allies Red America vs The World. So KR if you play the CSA, boost the soviets when they spawn and nerf the French?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Wasn't there a DH mod where you can just rule that the Weimar Republic totally stays democratic ... and WW2 ends up triggering anyway so you as Goody Germany have to defend Europe from Communism? There's a Democratic Germany mod, and there's a mod that fleshes out Communist Germany more. Both have been combined, and have also been incorporated into Mixed Mods. A not-Nazi Germany fucks the balance over something fierce, though. It's either an allied murderdeathkill train choo-chooing all across Russia, or it's a red tide washing all over continental Europe.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:25
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I really hope there's an HoI 4 Kaiserreich.
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Rincewind posted:I really hope there's an HoI 4 Kaiserreich. I'm going to go out on a limb and posit that the only reason it never happened for 3 was that the base game was too terrible for anyone to put the effort in. That, or the billions of tiny fiddly provinces made scenario changes too much of a pain in the dick. Might be worth knocking together some sort of GUI for that.
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What does it even matter who you're playing? It's a paradox wargame, you can mod it to put someone other than Hitler in charge without any gameplay changes. Or you could play with Satan as head of state, not like it makes any gameplay difference.
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Strudel Man posted:A mod where Hitler repents his evil plans and commits suicide days after the game begins, leaving behind a green, religiously tolerant and multicultural Reich. 
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Holy poo poo this needs to be done for HoI4 Podcat, can you please add teleportation functionality to the HoI4 modding API? We absolutely have to make this mod.
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Jan 6, 2015 23:55
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Playing Kaiserreich as democratic Japan and creating an actual co-prosperity sphere is fun 
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James Garfield posted:Playing Kaiserreich as democratic Japan and creating an actual co-prosperity sphere is fun BUT DISTINCTLY UN-JAPANESE. Kimchi is also very un-japanese.
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nutranurse posted:Kimchi is also very un-japanese. Im now imagining an Alt hisory Japan where The Protocols of Korea is gaining traction with the disenfranchised.
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I've been playing Darkest Hour and Kaiserreich very much recently. How much have the mechanics and stats been changed from HoI2? I am just wondering because the HoI2 -wiki has all the info I need, but I've no idea of the changes in Darkest Hour, so I've no idea about the viability of the data and compositions and such.
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The important thing is, will HoI4 feature the alienattack command?
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Hazamuth posted:I've been playing Darkest Hour and Kaiserreich very much recently. How much have the mechanics and stats been changed from HoI2? I am just wondering because the HoI2 -wiki has all the info I need, but I've no idea of the changes in Darkest Hour, so I've no idea about the viability of the data and compositions and such. CAS has been debuffed compared to HOI2, and infantry has become the best bang for your IC buck for every nation. Those are really the biggest changes.
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Thanks, I was somewhat aware of the INF supremacy but CAS debuff was all new to me.
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 Things get really interesting once they go off the rails. I got really lucky in the beginning - South Italy hosed up their dissent management and had a revolution which succeeded, and even though they didn't let themselves get annexed diplomatically, the revolution threw them out of the Internationale, allowing me to feast on them freely. With that problem out of the way, I went entirely balls to the wall and just straight up attacked Austria, guarantees be damned. Thankfully, Germany decided not to interfere, and I got Trento and Venice out of the deal, and it was still 1937! With this massive head start, I built up a strong army and started influencing Carlist Spain. For some reason, the Mediterranean Pact event didn't fire, so I had to get the Carlists on my side manually. It worked, and I ended up turning the civil war on its head by peacing out manually with the Kingdom, allowing the Carlists to take out the Syndicalists, then DOWing the Kingdom to finish them off. However, the French poo poo on my plans by DOWing Germany and just ravaging straight through Flandern-Wallonien (to be expected) and Elsass-Lothringen (oh poo poo) and the Rheinland (OH poo poo), meaning I had to DOW immediately in order to somehow have a shot at expanding later without Syndies all over the place. So I peaced out with the Kingdom again (which is why Madrid still belongs to them) and DOWed the Commune, drawing in the UoB (to be expected) and the victorious CSA (oh poo poo). Things are going well right now - the Commune expanded far enough to draw the old friends into Mitteleuropa, giving Germany some much needed firepower (a good bit of their army got wiped when the Commune stormed them in the beginning), and the god-given interference from the Catholic League managed to turn the tide. The Carlists and I are trying to somehow encircle some Commune armies and cut our pieces of the pie that is France while the Germans fight back. It's certainly more interesting a game than I expected it to be.
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The one mod I'd like to see carried over to HoI4 is the Modern Warfare mod, apparently made by a 9/11 truther. But seriously, I'd actually like to take a stab at making a non-lunatic version once the game comes out. Maybe not quite as alt-history as Mammoth Tanks and Tesla Towers, but I bet it would be a lot of fun.
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An oval with a lightning bolt in it.
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Agean90 posted:An oval with a lightning bolt in it. OMFG that would be tesla tanks you loving casual go back to COD
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James Garfield posted:Playing Kaiserreich as democratic Japan and creating an actual co-prosperity sphere is fun I've got a game like this going on right now and it rules. Thanks to event, I had wars with Korea/Manchuria/Transamur/Qing Empire, so I was able to take as much of Asia as I wanted without having to worry about being a democracy and unable to start my own wars. Then I joined the Entente, who promptly decided they would rather declare war on Germany than go to war with the Internationale. This let me take all of German Asia. Australasia, weirdly, joined Mitteleuropa, so I invaded and puppeted them. Now it's 1944, and Germany has crushed the Internationale in Europe and made a separate peace with the UoB. The Indian Subcontinent erupted into a 3-way war, which an expeditionary force from me ended. Delhi is now a powerhouse with nearly as much IC as me. National France controls all of Africa. Mitteleuropa spans all of Europe up to the Russian border. The Austrians have unified, and there's a fascist Pope in Italy. I've just deployed my massive hellnavy (for democracy!) to Halifax with the intent on taking the war to the Kaiser. Playing as democratic Japan owns.
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A democratic Germany in the 30s would have inevitably ended up opposed to both the Entente and Soviet Russia. Ever since Friedrich Naumann, a liberal, released his Mitteleuropa book in 1915, it was the intent of the German state to dominate (central) Europe and go for the resources in the east. The former has been achieved today by way of the EU; the latter succeeded briefly with the treaty of Brest-Litovsk in 1917 and arguably is still ongoing by supporting the Ukraine today. Would it have ended in war in the 30-40s? Probably yes because what else was Stalin building up his huge army for except to spread socialism abroad as was always the intent.
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Riso posted:A democratic Germany in the 30s would have inevitably ended up opposed to both the Entente and Soviet Russia. 
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