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Mercury Crusader posted:Sweet, I can whip out Chief of the Edge tapped and attacking like nobody's business, bumping her to a 4-power first striker. Yes. She has to be declared attacking to activate her own ability so Raid triggers.
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Cernunnos posted:Yes. She has to be declared attacking to activate her own ability so Raid trigger. Sweet. Also I misread the card. Power two, not casting cost two. Still pretty good, I can whip out Battle Brawler or Aspirant or Skullhunter I guess.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:09
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Mercury Crusader posted:
Chief of the Edge is power 3. Chief of the Scale you can have. E: missed your edit.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:09
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... put onto the battlefield from your graveyard is attacking, even if the attack couldn't legally be declared (for example, if that creature has defender or an effect says that no more than one creature can attack).
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Jan 6, 2015 21:09
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If you're feeling frisky, you can use it to bring in Ponyback Brigade and have three 1/1s on top of that. Hmm... I must experiment with this in the future, along with any other two-power dudes.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:10
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Mortimer posted:Oh boy I can whip back my imperial recruiters now Angry Grimace posted:What happens if you use the ability on Alesha to whip-back a Sylvan Caryatid? Does it still attack despite its inability to attack? Mercury Crusader posted:Sweet, I can whip out Chief of the Edge tapped and attacking like nobody's business, bumping her to a 4-power first striker. I see that's now the accepted shorthand.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:11
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Mercury Crusader posted:Sweet.
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muon posted:Didn't see this posted: This card is actually pretty insane to me. If it's real it's the best Mobilization variant there's been in a long time.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:11
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Rinkles posted:I see that's now the accepted shorthand. They gave us a whip with a reanimation ability stapled to it. Of course that became the shorthand, it sounds cool. odiv posted:Or Hornet Queen. 
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Jan 6, 2015 21:12
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odiv posted:Or Hornet Queen. And here I was thinking somewhat practical with Ponyback Brigade. Guess I'm making a Mardu Whip deck.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:14
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Except whip exiles, so it's a bit weird to see people use it as a shorthand for reanimate.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:16
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Jan 6, 2015 21:17
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Cernunnos posted:They gave us a whip with a reanimation ability stapled to it. Of course that became the shorthand, it sounds cool. Agree. I don't remember any other names sticking. Probably a question of syllable count.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:18
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Mercury Crusader posted:And here I was thinking somewhat practical with Ponyback Brigade. Guess I'm making a Mardu Whip deck. Hornet Queen would be dead in your hand. Are there any good discard outlets?Aside from Tormenting Voice I guess?
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Jan 6, 2015 21:18
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Man, is everyone forgetting this she STILL dies to Courser? gently caress that thing's fat rear end.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:18
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Jonked posted:Except whip exiles, so it's a bit weird to see people use it as a shorthand for reanimate. "Whip" is shorter than "Reanimate." That's probably all there is to it.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:19
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odiv posted:Or Hornet Queen.  That's a legit good card, I can see it getting play, possibly as a whip target herself. Put her in, bring Queen back, then when Queen dies, whip Queen. Or get another copy of her dead and repeat.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:20
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Cernunnos posted:Hornet Queen would be dead in your hand. Are there any good discard outlets?Aside from Tormenting Voice I guess? Actually, that was the only discard outlet I was thinking that would be practical. Other two-power token generators that fit into Mardu colors would be Mardu Hordechief and of course Goblin Rabblemaster but I believe its token-making trigger gets passed once you bring it into play attacking.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:21
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Serperoth posted:
Its a neat play but the setup is too much and she has to attack to trigger the ability. Its way easier to just play a Whip and hit a Queen. Mercury Crusader posted:Actually, that was the only discard outlet I was thinking that would be practical. Both the token and power-generating trigger are skipped if you bring them back using Alicia.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:22
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Angry Grimace posted:Both the token and power-generating trigger are skipped if you bring them back using Alicia. Yeah but her Valkyria power is still way better than Selvaria's. Also Alesha is pretty hilarious with that Abzan legendary card. Zoness fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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Jan 6, 2015 21:26
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Zoness posted:Yeah but her Valkyria power is still way better than Selvaria's. Was whatever plane Conspiracy was on supposed to be a French Revolution plane?
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Jan 6, 2015 21:29
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Angry Grimace posted:Was whatever plane Conspiracy was on supposed to be a French Revolution plane? Renaissance Italy, I believe. It was called Fiora and you had Muzzio-not-Leonardo and Marchesa-the-not-a-Medici. Selvala of course is not Marco Polo. Brago is obviously not the Papacy. There are no holes in this increasingly absurd mapping of random legendary creatures to historical figures. Zoness fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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Jan 6, 2015 21:32
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Zoness posted:Renaissance Italy, I believe. It was called Fiora and you had Muzzio-not-Leonardo and Marchesa-the-not-a-Medici. I figured it was some kind of French thing based on the hat. But yeah, Fiora doesn't sound like Florence at all.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:36
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Cernunnos posted:Hornet Queen would be dead in your hand. Are there any good discard outlets?Aside from Tormenting Voice I guess? Lili of the Veil in M16, obviously. Zoness posted:Renaissance Italy, I believe. It was called Fiora and you had Muzzio-not-Leonardo and Marchesa-the-not-a-Medici. Where does Grenzo fit in here?
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Jan 6, 2015 21:46
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Zoness posted:Renaissance Italy, I believe. It was called Fiora and you had Muzzio-not-Leonardo and Marchesa-the-not-a-Medici. Brago? Why not Augustin IV? Totally a floating pope already.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:47
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theironjef posted:Brago? Why not Augustin IV? Totally a floating pope already. Because he's only talking about cards in the Conspiracy set, not Ravnica block.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:50
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Angry Grimace posted:Its a neat play but the setup is too much and she has to attack to trigger the ability. Its way easier to just play a Whip and hit a Queen. I feel that the versatility can be worth it. Also, once you whip back a Queen, she's gone. With Alesha, you bring her back, she can bring stuff back 'permanently', and if she lives, she can do it again, which is what I really like.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:50
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I really hope she gets put into the online Cube so I can grab my Karmic Guide to grab my Sun Titan.
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If you're needing a totally-not-Pope Alexander VI for your totally-not-Renaissance Italy plane, I nominate the guy in Orzhov Pontiff.
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Jan 6, 2015 21:54
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Balon posted:Man, is everyone forgetting this she STILL dies to Courser? gently caress that thing's fat rear end. Obviously the solution is to play Chief of the Edge so you can swing at a Courser with 4/2 Alesha and a 4/2 Battle Brawler that you just brought into play.
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Expensive dudes in Standard with 2 power or less: Archetype of Finality Bear's Companion Clever Impersonator Dawnbringer Charioteers Disciple of Phenax Eidolon of Blossoms Evangel of Heliod Forlorn Pseudamma Graverobber Spider Gray Merchant of Asphodel Griffin Dreamfinder Heroes' Bane Hornet Queen Insatiable Harpy Karametra's Acolyte King Macar, the Gold Cursed Kragma Warcaller Living Totem Mardu Heartpiercer Master of Waves Minotaur Skullcleaver (hmmmmm...) Ponyback Brigade Prophet of Kruphix Returned Centaur Sage-Eye Harrier Sagu Archer Scaldkin Scion of Glaciers Shaman of Spring Strike Harpy (hmmmmm...) Sidisi's Pet Siren of the Fanged Coast Skyspear Calvary Sphinx's Disciple Staunch-Hearted Warrior Storm-Chaser Chimera Supply Line Cranes Swarm of Bloodflies Thassa's Devourer Undergrowth Scavenger Zof Shade All the colored Paragons from M15
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Too bad there's no huge Swarm of Bloodflies with 6 +1/+1 counters or something.
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Looks like Sultai is the only three-color combination without a Tiny Leader now.
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muon posted:Didn't see this posted: odiv posted:Too bad there's no huge Swarm of Bloodflies with 6 +1/+1 counters or something.
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odiv posted:Too bad there's no huge Swarm of Bloodflies with 6 +1/+1 counters or something. It would have been pretty funny tech to get Kalonian Hydras onto the battlefield.
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Mercury Crusader posted:Obviously the solution is to play Chief of the Edge so you can swing at a Courser with 4/2 Alesha and a 4/2 Battle Brawler that you just brought into play. After which your opponent drops a Rhino and essentially blanks all your future combat attempts! e: If I reanimate a Kalonian Hydra with Alycia does its ability trigger?
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Don't forget, she can whip up creatures that enter the battlefield with +1/+1 counters, creatures that have characteristic defining abilities that don't work on the battlefield, and clones. If you have anthems, those don't count for determining power, either.
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Balon posted:After which your opponent drops a Rhino and essentially blanks all your future combat attempts! To be fair dropping a Rhino stops every deck besides another Rhino Deck. Alternately, Crackling Doom I guess. It's my favorite removal spell but nobody plays Mardu. Mercury Crusader fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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Entropic posted:I can't tell if this is any good or not. I'm leaning towards "usually not". It's a nigh unlimited source of bears, so if your game is going long this gives you a hell of a lot of inevitability. On the other hand it's 6 mana to get your first 2/2 and ten mana to get two 2/2s. It costs enough mana that you aren't doing much else with your turns unless it's way late in the game. I can see there being a lot of games where it's an all star and a lot of games where it just doesn't keep up with an aggressive start because it costs too much mana, and you get run over by real creatures. Are you missing the part where manifests can also flip up as real creatures? That's nonzero value on top of all of this. This is super mobilization and it basically owns. I think it's theoretically an interesting control finisher, if not in constructed then definitely in cube.
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Balon posted:After which your opponent drops a Rhino and essentially blanks all your future combat attempts! Fetch Archetype of Finality. And then Archetype of Courage.  Also, it doesn't. "When this creature attacks" triggers don't go off when it's brought in attacking. Which also means you don't have to pay extra for Propaganda.
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