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Gounads posted:So, you're buying yours through the exchange, right? No, my employer covers 75% so I only pay like $120. Just saying that the total amount payed to the insurance companies is more.
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silvergoose posted:What? McConnell is in the Senate, the gerrymandering is from state borders, no districts involved at all. Learn a bit more about the election system? Yes, Senators are elected! Then, there is a vote within the Senate to see who gets to hold certain positions! Reading is fundamental. Did you have a single thought about how useless shits keep their positions within the House and Senate?
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Joementum is a drat liar. Ryan didn't grow a beard, he's just turning into Teen Wolf.
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Amergin posted:The Dems never had to go anywhere NEAR Public Option. There are plenty of bogeyman to fight and those fights would all help reduce healthcare costs. If the GOP had passed the ACA I would have been surprised, and some on the left would have been angry, but you are drawing a false equivalence here since the left would not behave like conservatives for passing legislation that improves the lives of Democratic voters. The ACA is fundamentally insurance industry reform, so talking about a bunch of reforms to hospitals, pharmaceutical and med device companies is seriously moving the goalposts. All of those things sound pretty decent, but the lack of them doesn't weaken the significant insurance reforms that that are accomplished in the ACA and doesn't minimize the significance of the historic increase in health care access that was the prime liberal motivation for health care reform in the first place. So get it through your head: Liberals want health care reform to expand access to affordable health care for all, and the liberal view of success or failure for the ACA is based on how well it achieves that vision. Cost cutting is also important (particularly if it accompanies breaking the political power of big companies) but it is secondary. No liberal should be ashamed of the ACA.
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Brannock posted:Can you explain how gerrymandering affects Senate elections? The Senate is constitutionally gerrymandered to benefit less populous States. 
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Brannock posted:Can you explain how gerrymandering affects Senate elections? Well Texas used to be gerrymandered into Colorado...
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amanasleep posted:If the GOP had passed the ACA I would have been surprised, and some on the left would have been angry, but you are drawing a false equivalence here since the left would not behave like conservatives for passing legislation that improves the lives of Democratic voters. LOL your defense of the ACA being poo poo on pharma reform is that it it doesn't address pharma reform. That's great, because I know drugs sure don't have anything to do with healthcare costs, ever.
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Post 9-11 User posted:Yes, Senators are elected! Then, there is a vote within the Senate to see who gets to hold certain positions! Reading is fundamental. Did you have a single thought about how useless shits keep their positions within the House and Senate? It's not silvergoose's fault your first post was so poorly worded/half-assedly sarcastic that he couldn't figure out what you were actually trying to say.
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Post 9-11 User posted:Yes, Senators are elected! Then, there is a vote within the Senate to see who gets to hold certain positions! Reading is fundamental. Did you have a single thought about how useless shits keep their positions within the House and Senate? They're not useless from the perspective of their colleagues. Hoyer kept his position as Majority Whip when Murtha challenged him a few years ago because despite Murtha being closer in ideology to much of the caucus, Hoyer helped them raise money for reelection.
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Meanwhile, in the World's Greatest Deliberative Body...
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zoux posted:Mahogany and ivory... All that's missing is the harmony.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Is this an edit? No, but this might be. 
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Joementum posted:Meanwhile, in the World's Greatest Deliberative Body... Is that a hog balls cutter offer?
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Joementum posted:Meanwhile, in the World's Greatest Deliberative Body...
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Zeitgueist posted:LOL your defense of the ACA being poo poo on pharma reform is that it it doesn't address pharma reform. Dude the Civil Rights Act is even worse on Pharma Reform. The ACA recognized that most cost cutting measures either needed more study, had significant political opposition, or both. So most of the cost-cutting measures in the ACA are focused on the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which investigates cost cutting measures for Medicare and Medicaid. And just that one provision almost tanked the entire bill by provoking the massive DEATH PANELS freakout of 2009.
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Joementum posted:Biden to Cory Gardner: "We got something in common: sisters who are better looking and smarter than you." Is TPM going to do another highlight reel like last time? For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEu40xl7oCY
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Joementum posted:No, but this might be. "Hey everybody! We're all gonna get laid!"
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Internet Webguy posted:Joementum is a drat liar. Yeah that beard needs work. The only excuse for that is if it's a Packers playoff beard with only a couple days growth.
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Internet Webguy posted:Joementum is a drat liar.
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Haha, yes, the public option was too hard to pass. Better to try and literally socialize hospitals and also keep medical companies from making too much profit, surely that is a reasonable alternative which will definitely be supported by even a single legislator. A stupid effortpost for some loving reason will follow. Amergin posted:Make hospitals ACTUALLY non-profit and curb the earnings from hospital admins. quote:Allow US citizens to buy pharmaceuticals from Canada. quote:Limit the profitability of pharmaceutical companies, or tie their profit margins to their R&D costs. quote:Enact comparison studies on pharmaceutical companies' products and provide incentives for doctors/pharmacists to use cheaper drugs that have the same (or better) efficiency. quote:Enact some tort reform to reduce the over-testing of patients. quote:Limit profitability of medical device manufacturers or present incentives/disincentives for hospitals to stop buying equipment they don't need. quote:And although it doesn't necessarily tie too much to costs, try to reform/force insurance companies to simplify the language and layout of EOBs and other communication/billing. quote:These items didn't need the Dems to stand up to the GOP and make "socialism" palatable, it required them to grow a loving spine and represent their constituents rather than their lobbyists. They failed, Obama failed, this legislation failed, and you're sitting here with a penny in your hand acting thankful because it was your team that did it. quote:If this was passed under a GOP executive + Congress you would be loving livid. So, once more. Insurers are already incentivized to cut the poo poo out of healthcare costs and negotiate down reimbursements for procedures that don't maximize their own profitability, i.e. better outcomes for less money spent. The problem is that they are also incentivized to cut out patients that consume too much healthcare, which is the primary thing the ACA was intended to rectify. It wasn't supposed to be an overhaul on the entire healthcare industry, because frankly changing that much all at once would have had a disastrous effect. While a lot of the things you mention are already being done by the insurance companies who have more leverage to negotiate the pricing of those medical services than an individual person would in a price-controlled market, medicine doesn't exist in a vacuum where you can just base the price of everything off what people should be able to pay and call it good.
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Aerox posted:Someone please give Biden a cameraman and a reality show where he just walks around different places talking to people. Ask, and the White House YouTube account shall answer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3OFJlwig74
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Joementum posted:Ask, and the White House YouTube account shall answer. THANKS OBAMA!
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amanasleep posted:Dude the Civil Rights Act is even worse on Pharma Reform. Pharmaceuticals: Roughly as relevant to healthcare as they are to civil rights. Are you for real?
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Daniel Webster has been removed from the Rules Committee. That's the committee that controls what bills move to the floor. It's members are directly selected by the Speaker. 
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loving LOL at the idea that if death panels weren't the bogeyman of the day that some other provision of the bill wouldn't have been
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Radbot posted:loving LOL at the idea that if death panels weren't the bogeyman of the day that some other provision of the bill wouldn't have been Obama wants to punish successful drug companies! Why make new medicines if all your profit is going to be taken away by the government?
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We can't have good reform because if we do the other party will say mean things about them. Because this won't happen otherwise.
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Let us not measure bills by how much they changed the world but instead by how far away from heaven the world is after they pass.
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Joementum posted:Ask, and the White House YouTube account shall answer. He says they're "re-enacting" it with the families present. Does that mean they do some sort of real swearing in beforehand, like with all the senators together?
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Antti posted:He says they're "re-enacting" it with the families present. Does that mean they do some sort of real swearing in beforehand, like with all the senators together? Yes, they do it four-at-a-time on the Senate floor and each Senator is led up by the other Senator from their state. Then they do the ceremonial version later in the Old Senate Chamber so that families can join and take pictures.
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Trabisnikof posted:Let us not measure bills by how much they changed the world but instead by how far away from heaven the world is after they pass. It's really important that we pass bills if they make any positive difference at all, don't let the good be the enemy of the anything. There's a little timer and if you don't pass them as soon as you have something positive in them the table will shake and you'll lose all the pieces.
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