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I hate to break it to everyone but touch controls are here to stay. I despise them but the average person does not consider the learning curve that eventually goes vertical because you are limited by a screen that has no tactile feedback. Nor do they consider the huge cost involved in troubleshooting and replacing that middle stack when something goes wrong, which also presumably disables other systems making the car undriveable. Raise your hand if the mechanical HVAC controls in your pre-2005 car have left you stranded on the road. As an IT guy I have an incredibly hard time convincing people that all our computers, software, phones, and networks barely loving work at all and the whole system is held together by sweat and bailing wire. Now I see that same technology being shoehorned into cars and it makes me shake my head. I guess it is just a natural progression as the driving experience becomes so miserable that we are begging for self driving cars.
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Pham Nuwen posted:On our recent drives from California to Washington and back, I had to continually restrain myself from shouting "STAY OFF THE GODDAMN SHOULDER" and "QUIT PUMPING THE loving GAS PEDAL" whenever my wife would drive. In the interests of marital harmony I kept my mouth shut except for a few times when she was blatantly riding up someone's rear end. Not just you. My brother-in-law and one particular friend do this, and swear that they're not when I point it out. Drives my inner ear nuts. I can't even bury my head in my phone, because reading while in a car also invokes nausea. I hate being a passenger. Fortunately, my wife generally knows how to drive, with a slight tendency to tailgate. edit: gently caress touch controls, but self-driving cars can't come soon enough. I don't want one, but I want all those fuckwads with driving appliances who can't drive to have one (then I can bully my way into the lane, because all self-driving cars will drive defensively. Not really, I won't do that, but it is true.) Darchangel fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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The whole touch screen thing is compounded by the ridiculous ability to fiddle with poo poo. You can now set your climate control to the decimal point. Have infinite number of wiper speeds. Adjust your audio levels to an extent rivalled by a college radio studio. Set mood lighting to the interior. All this poo poo. I've come to admire my Mk1 VW's ridiculous simplicity through this. You have 3 wiper settings, three fan settings. no fogs or DRLs so you can chose between headlights, highbeams or lights off. The result is instead of the constant fiddling with controls you just live with the minor inconvenience of having it a little bit to hot/cold or the wipers not being the perfect speed and just focus on driving.
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Cakefool posted:I can control any part of my car by touch currently without taking my eyes of the road, no-one can do that with a touchscreen. I got into an e-pissing contest with a dude on reddit trying to tell him just that. He was defending some guy who took a picture with his cellphone while driving. "Some men you just can't reach." So reddit counts as terrible car stuff, right? Or just plain terrible?
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Darchangel posted:edit: gently caress touch controls, but self-driving cars can't come soon enough. I don't want one, but I want all those fuckwads with driving appliances who can't drive to have one (then I can bully my way into the lane, because all self-driving cars will drive defensively. Not really, I won't do that, but it is true.) I just imagined a world full of self-driving cars which watch my blinkers and let me in when I signal. They'd never cut me off, drive indecisively, or tailgate. They'd know how to zipper merge. It sounded great until I realized they'd all be driving the speed limit and I'd have to conform with them or be slapped down.
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1500quidporsche posted:I've come to admire my Mk1 VW's ridiculous simplicity through this. You have 3 wiper settings, three fan settings. no fogs or DRLs so you can chose between headlights, highbeams or lights off. The result is instead of the constant fiddling with controls you just live with the minor inconvenience of having it a little bit to hot/cold or the wipers not being the perfect speed and just focus on driving.  quote:CES 2015: VOLKSWAGEN INTRODUCES ADVANCED GESTURE CONTROL AND NETWORKING FOR A NEW AGE OF MOBILITY Here's a cool one. Ford is recalling the MKC and replacing the entire shift mechanism because people keep http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/01/lincoln-mkc-recalled-for-starter-button-placement/index.htm http://www.autonews.com/article/20141231/RETAIL05/141239986/lincoln-mkc-recalled-to-move-push-button-start-from-near-touchscreen  quote:Two complaints about the location of the MKC’s push-button starter are posted on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s website. Several weeks ago, a driver said the vehicle was going about 5 mph when the front seat passenger shut off the engine by accidentally hitting the ignition button while trying to change the radio station on the touchscreen. I mean what are they going to replace it with that will solve that problem? Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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Jan 6, 2015 23:47
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What the christ, Ford. These companies supposedly employ multiple people who's sole job is to nitpick the driving ergonomics and design. What the gently caress are these shitheels doing, bullshitting at the water cooler for 8 hours then clocking out?
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Jan 6, 2015 23:50
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xzzy posted:What the christ, Ford. I hope the fix is that they replace that panel with blank buttons and install a column shifter from a CVPI. 
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Horse Divorce posted:So reddit counts as terrible car stuff, right? Or just plain terrible? A lot of people on SA like to rip on reddit. And that's fine. But understand that it's an absolutely massive user base and there are subreddits, so not everyone/every place on there is a hivemind of white knighting liberal college freshmen.
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Jan 6, 2015 23:58
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xzzy posted:What the christ, Ford. Apple solution: you're holding your car wrong.
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Jan 7, 2015 00:00
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That push button is a pretty bad design, I agree. Perhaps they could replace it with some manner of lever, or knob. Maybe with a mechanical detent so that it doesn't get rotated out of position unless you're definitely trying to. And maybe this knob could use some sort of keyed locking mechanism. (seriously, leaving your keys in your pocket/purse/whatever is slightly neat, but other than that is there any benefit at all to a push button system?)
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Jan 7, 2015 00:04
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What's the possible use case for allowing a car to shut it's engine off while moving? I might be overlooking something, but jfc just lock out the push to start button if the speedometer reads anything other than 0.
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surebet posted:What's the possible use case for allowing a car to shut it's engine off while moving? I might be overlooking something, but jfc just lock out the push to start button if the speedometer reads anything other than 0. During the unintended acceleration debacle it turned out that Toyotas made you hold down the engine start button in order to turn the car off when it's in gear, like a soft-power ATX power supply does. Since panicky retards doing 180mph with a stuck floormat on their gas pedal can't hold the button down (resulting in at least one documented death) or shift into neutral, I imagine the internal order was "one press, car killed."
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Jan 7, 2015 00:07
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surebet posted:What's the possible use case for allowing a car to shut it's engine off while moving? I might be overlooking something, but jfc just lock out the push to start button if the speedometer reads anything other than 0. Unintended Accleration™
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Fucknag posted:That push button is a pretty bad design, I agree. Perhaps they could replace it with some manner of lever, or knob. Maybe with a mechanical detent so that it doesn't get rotated out of position unless you're definitely trying to. If Micheal Shumacher can start his car with a push button then I must too. I'm just going to ignore the external starters found on F1 cars. If a Ferrari starts with a push button then if I can make my econobox start with a push button people will think it's like a Ferrari. (I'm blaming Ferrari, but it might be the S2000 that's to blame, which would be sad)
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Jan 7, 2015 00:13
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Jonny Nox posted:If Micheal Shumacher can start his car with a push button then I must too. I'm just going to ignore the external starters found on F1 cars. The first car I can remember having push button start, that wasn't a race car or one-off, was the original Viper.
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Jan 7, 2015 00:20
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Fucknag posted:(seriously, leaving your keys in your pocket/purse/whatever is slightly neat, but other than that is there any benefit at all to a push button system?) Likely 2000% less lost keys because housewives don't need to dig through their shipping-container sized purse to find them, then drop them. And less lockouts. And I'm not sure, but I'd anticipate keyless is slightly more secure (I could be blowing smoke out my rear end on this though).
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Jan 7, 2015 00:23
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Powershift posted:Unintended Accleration™ Wife and I each got a check for $29 from Toyota last week because of this, even though we have never driven any Toyota that was susceptible to the problem. I guess they just cut a check for every registered Toyota owner or something. We went out to eat and spent it all.
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Here's a vancouver.flv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3gRjvsiySw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fFNHZ5PvZI Jeep builds an offroad course(with a Ford truck) that could easily be traversed by a Miata, people who get to turn the knob to "offroad" seem pretty impressed. So thanks for all those provincial film industry/Canadian film content tax credits I guess!
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xzzy posted:Wife and I each got a check for $29 from Toyota last week because of this, even though we have never driven any Toyota that was susceptible to the problem. I guess they just cut a check for every registered Toyota owner or something. Same here. Made for a good day with chinese takeout. Unintended acceleration of bowels.
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Siochain posted:Likely 2000% less lost keys because housewives don't need to dig through their shipping-container sized purse to find them, then drop them. Yeah but as soon as they dig them out of their purse to find them they put them in the ignition so they know exactly where the keys are, and then when they stop the car they pull them out of the ignition and put them back in their purse. I have no idea how one could lose their keys in such a situation. Siochain posted:And less lockouts. I'll give you this one.
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Gorson posted:The first car I can remember having push button start, that wasn't a race car or one-off, was the original Viper. I can see the point of a starter button if I think I'm going to need to stop and restart the engine repeatedly, or if there's no ignition key in the first place because it's keyless, but to take a car which has a sprung starter position on the ignition key and retrofitting a separate button is just silly. It's like people replacing factory HIDs with acetylene lamps or some poo poo. On keyless systems, the type BMW use annoys me. Ooh, great, there's no key, just a fob... Which I have to put into a specific slot on the dash and click in before I can push the starter button? Either make it pure keyless, or use that as the starter button, for gently caress's sake!
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Seat Safety Switch posted:During the unintended acceleration debacle it turned out that Toyotas made you hold down the engine start button in order to turn the car off when it's in gear, like a soft-power ATX power supply does. Something something steering and brakes being optional in a crash.
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Brakes don't work when you've cooked them by lightly "sort of" applying them to try and regulate your speed for the past twenty miles, rather than just standing on the pedal full force. People don't know how cars work, don't know how to drive, and aren't interested in learning about either.
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InitialDave posted:The thing I find hilarious is that a separate button for the starter is seriously old-school, and the adoption of one integrated into the ignition switch was an advance. I bet you can find an article in an old magazine somewhere about how to fit a "modern" ignition/starter keyswitch into a car. I think certain options gave you the ability to just have it on your person to unlock the doors as well as start the car. That's how it works on my friends E60 M5.
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InitialDave posted:On keyless systems, the type BMW use annoys me. Ooh, great, there's no key, just a fob... Which I have to put into a specific slot on the dash and click in before I can push the starter button? Either make it pure keyless, or use that as the starter button, for gently caress's sake! The package you are looking for is called 'comfort access', which lets you just have it near the car. Figuring out how to pull the actual 'key' out of the fob to open the glove box was a neat trick. Or even realizing there was a real key in there.
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GutBomb posted:Yeah but as soon as they dig them out of their purse to find them they put them in the ignition so they know exactly where the keys are, and then when they stop the car they pull them out of the ignition and put them back in their purse. I have no idea how one could lose their keys in such a situation. Clearly you've never dated anyone with a big purse. I could read War and Peace cover to cover with the amount of time I've spent standing next to a car door waiting for girlfriends to find their goddamn keys in their purses.
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Spiffness posted:The package you are looking for is called 'comfort access', which lets you just have it near the car. Spiffness posted:Figuring out how to pull the actual 'key' out of the fob to open the glove box was a neat trick. Or even realizing there was a real key in there.
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Yep, my CX-5's fob has a hidden key in it. And I like the push button start on it too. I feel like a god drat futuristic spaceman starting my car with a button. 
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BoostCreep posted:Clearly you've never dated anyone with a big purse. I could read War and Peace cover to cover with the amount of time I've spent standing next to a car door waiting for girlfriends to find their goddamn keys in their purses. This is why you are supposed to be driving.
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Motronic posted:But understand that it's an absolutely massive user base and there are subreddits, so not everyone/every place on there is a hivemind of white knighting liberal college freshmen. True, most of Reddit is full of pedophiles and mysogynistic MRAs. BoostCreep posted:Clearly you've never dated anyone with a big purse. I could read War and Peace cover to cover with the amount of time I've spent standing next to a car door waiting for girlfriends to find their goddamn keys in their purses. Oh god, this. My wife insists on using cross-body messenger style bags for her purse and then pitches a fit every time it takes her 2 minutes of digging to find her keys/phone/wallet/whatever.
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My wife at least has the good sense to have a pocket in her purse dedicated to keys, and she uses it. Stop dating/marrying people who can't be arsed to organize their poo poo. 
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InitialDave posted:Do all keyless fobs have a key hidden in them? I've encountered maybe four or five myself now, and I think they all did.  But I honestly can't say I've tried very hard. EDIT: Ah, poo poo: 
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-chevrolet-silverado-1500-4x4-62l-v-8-8-speed-test-reviews So the new GM 8 speed trucks are out, and somehow they are slower than the old 6 speeds in every respect?
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Flipperwaldt posted:I think this one from Renault possibly doesn't: Push the little grey button in with your fingernail and pull the keyring hole away from the rest of the body.
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If you want to see something loving terrible go look at what Porsche did with the key slot on the Cayenne. edit:  It's not removable. It's just... there. Wtf. Also, kinda funny. Sorry for my Instagram caption. 
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Jan 7, 2015 01:32
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You werent kidding about the Porsche.      
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I'm 36 and grew up with mid-to-late 70's cars, like our used RWD '78 Mazda 323 (before it got square and FWD). My mother used to do handbrake turns and punching the throttle until it died and drove a 70's Ford Consul 900 miles over the polar circle in winter in the early-to-mid 90s — and now she gets nervous if I go past 65 in a 70 (km/h) zone. It's just a bi-product of getting old, sadly. I learned driving from you mom; relax! The kids love it when I do handbrake turns through 90 degree corners. At 10 mph in quiet residential streets of course, wouldn't want to actually endanger them. Like you did. F4rt5 fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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ratbert90 posted:You werent kidding about the Porsche. The modern Jetta does that too, I think. Some goon was talking about it a few months ago.
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The best bit is that people are highly unlikely to know how to do that without the manual. Which is probably locked in the car.
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