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melon cat posted:I've always felt the same way about minigames. I don't mind having them in a game as a 100% optional distraction, but when the developer forces you to play them as part of the regular game playthrough (I'm looking at you, Red Dead Redemption and GTA 5) it does get irritating. I'm so loving done with poker.
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Austrian mook posted:I'm so loving done with poker. I've put over a hundred hours into Fallout: New Vegas over the years but I still don't know how to play caravan.
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melon cat posted:I've always felt the same way about minigames. I don't mind having them in a game as a 100% optional distraction, but when the developer forces you to play them as part of the regular game playthrough (I'm looking at you, Red Dead Redemption and GTA 5) it does get irritating. This was responsible for a decent number of low scores for one of my favorite games. NIER had a fishing minigame early on you had to do once. Follow the quest marker like you had been up until then, fish and then go home. You could even fail it three times and they'd give you the item and let you ignore it forever from then on. But a lot of reviewers just could not get their heads around this mini game for some reason and gave the game an abysmal score for it, instead of the medicore score it would have gotten otherwise.
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Sleeveless posted:I've put over a hundred hours into Fallout: New Vegas over the years but I still don't know how to play caravan. Can't be any worse than Tetra Master or Triple Triad. In general, I hate all forced "optional" minigames. FF7 snowboarding game was atrocious.
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Supeerme posted:What dragging Game Dev Tycoon down is the fact that the review scores are directly based on your previous games score. This means a 8/10 game will make your next game into a 5/10 even if it have the very latest design technology and all the the very best game developers as well. So the only way to get high scores is to poo poo out poo poo games for a while so the next game will be getting 10/10. It also annoying how you have to start in 1985 every time you start the game. I want to start at anytime I want! What? I don't remember that being the case. I remember at one point getting like three 10/10 games in a row.
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Power_of_the_glory posted:Can't be any worse than Tetra Master or Triple Triad. In general, I hate all forced "optional" minigames. FF7 snowboarding game was atrocious. Look at you. Look at how wrong you are.
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Power_of_the_glory posted:Can't be any worse than Tetra Master or Triple Triad. In general, I hate all forced "optional" minigames. FF7 snowboarding game was atrocious. Triple Triad is fine if you make sure to never import rules from other regions. Once you start having games that work on a combination of random/plus/same/combo rules you tend to start losing frequently when the computer pulls off some bullshit that flips the entire board in their favor on the final turn.
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Austrian mook posted:I'm so loving done with poker. What's wrong with poker?!  Also, Pazaak sucked.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Also, Pazaak sucked. 19, guess I'll stand *AI gets a natural 20*
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Nuebot posted:This was responsible for a decent number of low scores for one of my favorite games. NIER had a fishing minigame early on you had to do once. Follow the quest marker like you had been up until then, fish and then go home. You could even fail it three times and they'd give you the item and let you ignore it forever from then on. But a lot of reviewers just could not get their heads around this mini game for some reason and gave the game an abysmal score for it, instead of the medicore score it would have gotten otherwise. How can you expect them to figure out they needed to move 5 feet away to a different beach?
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Sleeveless posted:I've put over a hundred hours into Fallout: New Vegas over the years but I still don't know how to play caravan. If a developer feels the need to put in a game of skill of their own invention, or one that is super obscure, they really shouldn't have the rules be given to you through the normal dialogue tree, from one NPC. Please at least show pictures of the game at the same time, if you can't craft a tutorial scenario for it. I don't care if your explanation is thorough, I need to be seeing something for it to mean anything to me.
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Red Minjo posted:If a developer feels the need to put in a game of skill of their own invention, or one that is super obscure, they really shouldn't have the rules be given to you through the normal dialogue tree, from one NPC. Please at least show pictures of the game at the same time, if you can't craft a tutorial scenario for it. I don't care if your explanation is thorough, I need to be seeing something for it to mean anything to me. melon cat has a new favorite as of 15:40 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Your Gay Uncle posted:How can you expect them to figure out they needed to move 5 feet away to a different beach? It turns out you can have bad design in addition to a terrible game journalist! The game should have had you fish where you got the rod but the reviewer also should have continued following the big red X on the map like they had been doing for a few hours at that point.
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Sleeveless posted:I've put over a hundred hours into Fallout: New Vegas over the years but I still don't know how to play caravan. My caravan experience was choosing a deck, and then not being able to do anything but discard cards and then I lost. I read through the instructions despite my eyes glazing over and I still couldn't figure out how to make a deck that doesn't just discard itself. At least it's optional, I guess.
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Snyderman posted:It turns out you can have bad design in addition to a terrible game journalist! The game should have had you fish where you got the rod but the reviewer also should have continued following the big red X on the map like they had been doing for a few hours at that point. I'm trying to remember - wasn't part of the problem that the fishing instructions in-game in NieR were flat-out wrong?
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Jan 7, 2015 05:20
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:I'm trying to remember - wasn't part of the problem that the fishing instructions in-game in NieR were flat-out wrong? Poorly explained, more than flat out wrong, as I recall.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:I'm trying to remember - wasn't part of the problem that the fishing instructions in-game in NieR were flat-out wrong? People started fishing at the pro-fisher pier where only sharks swim instead of the intended shallow-beach 10m from there.
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Game Dev Tycoon, seemingly, has its gaming history locked, leading to some inadvertent metagaming happen because you know System X is always going to do better than System Y. Of all games, Farming Simulator 15 can be really annoying to do basic farm tasks (sowing, harvesting, etc) if you're trying to maximize your field(s). It sure looks like you're harvesting in a straight line, but either you weren't or your harvester has a penchant for going a half-foot to the left here, or a foot to the right there. It's spergy to be annoyed by this, don't get me wrong, but still annoying.
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Sleeveless posted:I've put over a hundred hours into Fallout: New Vegas over the years but I still don't know how to play caravan. I'm glad it's not just me, the last time I mentioned this everyone acted like it was the simplest game ever and how could I not understand it, but I really don't. I've tried reading tutorials but apparently Fallout nerds like to make explanations as convoluted as possible. There's also dice poker from the Witcher 2. As far as I can tell there's a lot of luck involved in winning even if you know what you're doing. The best part is there are several quests (including a few of the main quests depending on who you side with) that depend on you (1) winning a game of dice poker against someone and (2) beating a gauntlet of people at poker beforehand for the "privilege" to play the quest NPC at all. I always have to save scum it so I don't run out of cash to bet. And I swear the arm wrestling mini-game is going to break my analog stick someday. It also does the "you have to beat X number of people to play this guy" but at least any quests involved are purely optional or give you other solutions that don't cost 500 orens.
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Xoidanor posted:People started fishing at the pro-fisher pier where only sharks swim instead of the intended shallow-beach 10m from there. Nah, the beach that was visible from the guy who gave you the rod and told you to fish at the beach was the pro-fisher beach. The correct beach was across town through some tunnel. I actually didn't even know there were quest markers up until that point. The game wasn't that big so if you were told go to the lighthouse or go to the tavern you could find the thing pretty easily just wandering around. In addition to that NPC being placed in a stupid location the fishing minigame also sucked pretty hard (surprise!).
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Any gambling in video games is terrible when save/load is an option. Do developers really expect players to not save scum?
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ScratchAndSniff posted:Any gambling in video games is terrible when save/load is an option. Do developers really expect players to not save scum? I know in New Vegas if you reload a save after gambling, there's an "anti-cheating" timer that prevents you from playing the games again for something like 30 seconds or a minute. Which is just a minor annoyance and not enough to prevent anything so I don't know why they bothered. With the dice poker, I only scummed that because I was losing so much that if I didn't I would be able to keep playing (since you have to bet to play) and I needed to win multiple matches in order to complete important quests. So it was either that or run out and pawn all my stuff for more gambling money, but gently caress that.
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The Moon Monster posted:Nah, the beach that was visible from the guy who gave you the rod and told you to fish at the beach was the pro-fisher beach. The correct beach was across town through some tunnel. I actually didn't even know there were quest markers up until that point. The game wasn't that big so if you were told go to the lighthouse or go to the tavern you could find the thing pretty easily just wandering around. In addition to that NPC being placed in a stupid location the fishing minigame also sucked pretty hard (surprise!). I didn't get very far in Nier but I distinctly remember a popup saying "If you don't know where to go follow the red X marker on the minimap."
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Iirc that quest either doesn't have a marker or the terrain makes it very hard to see.
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Mokinokaro posted:Iirc that quest either doesn't have a marker or the terrain makes it very hard to see. It didn't have a marker when I bitched about it earlier in the thread, and there was a kid fishing off the pier next to the old man. Those two are what caused me to spend 30 minutes fishing in the wrong spot. fishing is still boring btw
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ScratchAndSniff posted:Any gambling in video games is terrible when save/load is an option. Do developers really expect players to not save scum? Are you saying that driving to the horse racing parlor really early in GTA San Andreas and putting literally all of your money on the 12-1 odds horse and continually reloading until you win, then doing it again to multiply your money by 144 and thus having more money than you'll ever need for the rest of the game might be considered cheating? Is that what you're saying?
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Master Twig posted:Are you saying that driving to the horse racing parlor really early in GTA San Andreas and putting literally all of your money on the 12-1 odds horse and continually reloading until you win, then doing it again to multiply your money by 144 and thus having more money than you'll ever need for the rest of the game might be considered cheating? Is that what you're saying? That actually sounds like a ton of work to get money in a game where money becomes trivial in the first few hours of playing so I'm legitimately confused why anyone would actually do this.
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Who What Now posted:That actually sounds like a ton of work to get money in a game where money becomes trivial in the first few hours of playing so I'm legitimately confused why anyone would actually do this. You can buy savepoints for nontrivial amounts of money in that game so it's kind of useful to get those early on.
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Inco posted:It didn't have a marker when I bitched about it earlier in the thread, and there was a kid fishing off the pier next to the old man. Those two are what caused me to spend 30 minutes fishing in the wrong spot. The stupidest part about the whole thing is after you do it the one time it never comes up the rest of the game. Like, you can go fishing, but you never really get a reason to and are probably busy doing a whole lot of other things.
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muscles like this? posted:The stupidest part about the whole thing is after you do it the one time it never comes up the rest of the game. Like, you can go fishing, but you never really get a reason to and are probably busy doing a whole lot of other things. not having fishing somehow spring up in the middle of a game sounds like a plus and not a negative.
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Can we add Rhythm mini-games to the bad list? I'm not bad at them, but every single time I've seen one pop up in a game its either incredibly jarring, or kills the flow of the game completely. I'm looking at you Sly Cooper!
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Xoidanor posted:People started fishing at the pro-fisher pier where only sharks swim instead of the intended shallow-beach 10m from there. It got me too. I think I tried at least 5-10 times before I realized something is very wrong and left. Now a quest that I really hate in that game, and have yet to do it, is a quest where you have to grow some pink seeds by farming. Wouldn't be such a pain if the game didn't do that stuff in real time so you have to wait half an actual day to see if you get lucky. Also I have yet to find a game where I found farming to be fun.
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moosecow333 posted:Can we add Rhythm mini-games to the bad list? I'm not bad at them, but every single time I've seen one pop up in a game its either incredibly jarring, or kills the flow of the game completely. I'm looking at you Sly Cooper!
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Who What Now posted:That actually sounds like a ton of work to get money in a game where money becomes trivial in the first few hours of playing so I'm legitimately confused why anyone would actually do this. Pidmon posted:You can buy savepoints for nontrivial amounts of money in that game so it's kind of useful to get those early on.
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Xander77 posted:How would you sa- That's what buying houses is for. Each house has a save point, and a closet (to play dressup) inside and some have garages to store houses.
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moosecow333 posted:Can we add Rhythm mini-games to the bad list? I'm not bad at them, but every single time I've seen one pop up in a game its either incredibly jarring, or kills the flow of the game completely. I'm looking at you Sly Cooper! Not a rhythm game, but you reminded me of that God-drat flute in Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks. Edit: Also just about everything else about Spirit Tracks...I kept going through the game, thinking that finally, this train upgrade is the one that will let me kill those demon trains, but nope...you can never kill them, only try to escape them. It made it a huge PITA anytime you traveled.
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Kimmalah posted:I know in New Vegas if you reload a save after gambling, there's an "anti-cheating" timer that prevents you from playing the games again for something like 30 seconds or a minute. Which is just a minor annoyance and not enough to prevent anything so I don't know why they bothered. NV also did that with hacking. If you back out of the hacking minivans and try to access the computer again, the game would make the login "cutscene" unskippable. Which I guess is easier than making hacking more interesting/ less punishing.
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Pidmon posted:That's what buying houses is for. Each house has a save point, and a closet (to play dressup) inside and some have garages to store houses.
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scarycave posted:Now a quest that I really hate in that game, and have yet to do it, is a quest where you have to grow some pink seeds by farming. I will never stop being amazed by people that actually did the side quests in Nier. They are literally just there to make completionists suffer. 
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Xander77 posted:How would you sa- If you cant make ludicrous amounts of money in GTA you're probably either someone who's just woken up from a coma who has literally never seen a game before or you're mentally retarded.
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