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PSA to all EU goons living in the UK: an Austrian iOS developer friend of mine is going through his British citizenship process, and his lawyer told him that all EU citizens currently residing in the UK will be grandfathered into their current statutory legal presence if the the UK leaves the EU/changes its EU migrant policies (which Germany won't allow so lol).
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LemonDrizzle posted:Buy to let isn't the fundamental problem here. The problem is that you have x homes in an area and x+y households who want to live in them. Forcing the BTL owners to sell their properties isn't going to fix that because they presumably already have tenants so the homes aren't just sitting empty. You need to either get more homes built somewhere or make it attractive for the y households to go live somewhere else in the country. If more houses were built, which would not be allowed to be used as BTL homes, then there would be a definite dip in the price of BTL homes, maybe even enough for BTL owners to be forced to sell up, or else be stuck with a massive financial drain.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:07
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awesome-express posted:PSA to all EU goons living in the UK: an Austrian iOS developer friend of mine is going through his British citizenship process, and his lawyer told him that all EU citizens currently residing in the UK will be grandfathered into their current statutory legal presence if the the UK leaves the EU/changes its EU migrant policies (which Germany won't allow so lol). tell your friend to gently caress off back to ongo-bongo land and stop stealing our women
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Jan 7, 2015 13:22
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Watch the UK swing more to the right as a result of the Charlie Hebdo shootings...
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Jan 7, 2015 13:25
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tentish klown posted:Watch the UK swing more to the right as a result of the Charlie Hebdo shootings... I don't think it will be a swing to the right as such, more just your generalised upswing in blatant racism spread by facebook shared image. Somewhere out there, fash are photoshopping with glee.
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Jan 7, 2015 13:41
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DesperateDan posted:Somewhere out there, fash are photoshopping with glee. The answer is hate. Hate will win out. 
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Jan 7, 2015 13:54
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Yeah, it'll be the standard poo poo where people confuse defend a deliberately inflammatory cartoon because some dickheads used it as an excuse to try and spark WW3
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Jan 7, 2015 13:55
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tentish klown posted:Watch the UK swing more to the right as a result of the Charlie Hebdo shootings... I'd be more worried that the French security services will take this opportunity to perform a power grab. What'll happen in the UK is some people will get smug about how proactive we are harassing our tiny population of dickhead's who use Islam to be pricks
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Jan 7, 2015 13:59
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Welp, I just saw a guy die Memo to self: avoid YouTube for several hours after these incidents until they've banished all that poo poo to liveleak. Think I'll start drinking early today.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:08
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M for Mushroom posted:Welp, I just saw a guy die Yeah I don't use twitter but searched earlier and saw that with the description, thank gently caress for flash block.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:16
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M for Mushroom posted:Welp, I just saw a guy die No, you just saw something on YouTube. I have seen someone die, it really isn't fun, and watching a video of such does not compare. I also just read someone saying that the Tories were the only sane choice in 2015. 
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Jan 7, 2015 14:16
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M for Mushroom posted:Welp, I just saw a guy die I kind of wish the UK news would show unedited footage of stuff like this in the same way Al Jazeera etc does. Yeah it's horrible but that's the point. We should be feeling that revulsion and anger and sadness. Censoring ourselves just sanitises the world and lets us pretend the bad stuff isn't as bad as it actually is, and probably does a disservice in the long run.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:19
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ThomasPaine posted:I kind of wish the UK news would show unedited footage of stuff like this in the same way Al Jazeera etc does. Yeah it's horrible but that's the point. We should be feeling that revulsion and anger and sadness. Censoring ourselves just sanitises the world and lets us pretend the bad stuff isn't as bad as it actually is, and probably does a disservice in the long run. That's not news that's pornography.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:21
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Pissflaps posted:That's not news that's pornography. ok
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Jan 7, 2015 14:22
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mfcrocker posted:
I can't work out whether you think people should or shouldn't be defending the right of Charlie Hebdo writers to publish what they did.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:26
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Jedit posted:No, you just saw something on YouTube. I have seen someone die, it really isn't fun, and watching a video of such does not compare.  ThomasPaine posted:I kind of wish the UK news would show unedited footage of stuff like this in the same way Al Jazeera etc does. Yeah it's horrible but that's the point. We should be feeling that revulsion and anger and sadness. Censoring ourselves just sanitises the world and lets us pretend the bad stuff isn't as bad as it actually is, and probably does a disservice in the long run.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:28
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Total Meatlove posted:I can't work out whether you think people should or shouldn't be defending the right of Charlie Hebdo writers to publish what they did. They also have the right to not get murdered over this.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:30
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Total Meatlove posted:I can't work out whether you think people should or shouldn't be defending the right of Charlie Hebdo writers to publish what they did. I don't think people should be defending the right completely uncritical of the content of the work. Charlie Hebdo are racist dickbags (who celebrated the shooting of peaceful protesters in the past  ) and this is clearly not reason enough to shoot them.My view is that people are going through defending to celebrating their right to publish inflammatory shite.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:37
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mfcrocker posted:
Their ability to publish inflammatory shite was the result of them existing in a free society and something that should be celebrated though.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:42
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Well this is good news for FN and Marine Le Pen eh?
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Jan 7, 2015 14:44
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Man one minute they were for innocent people getting shot in the face now they're against it. Which is it, Charlie Hebdo?
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Jan 7, 2015 14:46
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Total Meatlove posted:Their ability to publish inflammatory shite was the result of them existing in a free society and something that should be celebrated though. I have absolutely no intention of celebrating the publication of racist cartoons and neither should you. They get to do it. In response, I get to call them colossal shits for doing so. Charlie Hebdo are wrong and the gunmen are wrong (to fairly different degrees, mind). This shouldn't be hard to understand. Gonzo McFee posted:Man one minute they were for innocent people getting shot in the face now they're against it. Which is it, Charlie Hebdo? I know right? 
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Jan 7, 2015 14:46
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Who were the peaceful protesters they supported getting shot?
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Jan 7, 2015 14:47
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mfcrocker posted:I have absolutely no intention of celebrating the publication of racist cartoons and neither should you. Then we're in agreement, and I misinterpreted your first point. Celebrate the ability but not the content. quote:I know right? You can call them colossal shits, but acting as if it's some delicious irony that this has happened is loving horrific.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:55
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mfcrocker posted:I have absolutely no intention of celebrating the publication of racist cartoons and neither should you. There freedom of speech does not give you freedom from criticism, that is true, but it also doesn't mean you get to be shot by those you piss off
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Jan 7, 2015 14:57
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Total Meatlove posted:You can call them colossal shits, but acting as if it's some delicious irony that this has happened is loving horrific. I didn't say it was delicious; people have been murdered and that shouldn't be revelled in. That would make me as bad as, say, Charlie Hebdo. notaspy posted:There freedom of speech does not give you freedom from criticism, that is true, but it also doesn't mean you get to be shot by those you piss off Yes this is actually what I have been saying thank you for reading closely.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:57
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mfcrocker posted:I know right? It looks like those cartoonists got what they deserved.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:00
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mfcrocker posted:Yes this is actually what I have been saying thank you for reading closely. Are we violently agreeing?
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Jan 7, 2015 15:05
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Pissflaps posted:It looks like those cartoonists got what they deserved. You know, it's a lot less effective to say this when I have literally said: mfcrocker posted:this is clearly not reason enough to shoot them. E: notaspy posted:Are we violently agreeing? Probably?
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Jan 7, 2015 15:05
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mfcrocker posted:You know, it's a lot less effective to say this when I have literally said: I know, I know, as you said: they're both wrong. The people who drew the pictures and the gunmen who murdered a dozen people for drawing the pictures. All are guilty to some degree.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:08
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mfcrocker posted:Yeah, it'll be the standard poo poo where people confuse defend a deliberately inflammatory cartoon because some dickheads used it as an excuse to try and spark WW3 Who tried to spark WW3?
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Jan 7, 2015 15:09
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Pissflaps posted:I know, I know, as you said: they're both wrong. The people who drew the pictures and the gunmen who murdered a dozen people for drawing the pictures. All are guilty to some degree. mfcrocker posted:Charlie Hebdo are wrong and the gunmen are wrong (to fairly different degrees, mind). This shouldn't be hard to understand. I mean, apparently you're having trouble understanding the deep nuance in this argument but it's really not that hard Flaps.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:10
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mfcrocker posted:I mean, apparently you're having trouble understanding the deep nuance in this argument but it's really not that hard Flaps. Yes, fairly different degrees.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:11
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The copper who was protecting some journalists right to free speech, who was then murdered in the street begging for his life, was definitely also guilty of something as well 'cos ACAB.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:13
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Total Meatlove posted:The copper who was protecting some journalists right to free speech, who was then murdered in the street begging for his life, was definitely also guilty of something as well 'cos ACAB. I'm sure that video has been well bookmarked by a couple of our more virulent cop-haters itt. What a miserable mess this whole episode is. I still find it baffling that people are driven to kill by cartoons.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:19
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mfcrocker posted:I mean, apparently you're having trouble understanding the deep nuance in this argument but it's really not that hard Flaps. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:24
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Jan 7, 2015 15:31
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No longer the topic, but.General China posted:I was not being ironic. Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were, just making my response clear. I'm old enough to remember an active, vibrant squatting community  . There is no need to go as far back as the 50s either - I had friends who lived here and in other smaller squats, and others who were part of this alleged (dis)organisation. The name (and the more alarming "Gun Convoy") should be taken with a pinch of salt, it was largely created as disinformation to feed the media (who lapped it all up) and confuse the Powers That Be. In '87 we were briefly "Starshine's Convoy" after a young Traveller child, whose name was not actually Starshine. Course we also reportedly threw a "hail of bricks and bottles" at a Senior Policeman which actually consisted of some sticks and a plastic bottle, so disinformation went both ways. We still 'won' our objective without risking anyones heads or houses though.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:34
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Puts it all into perspective, don't it?
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EmptyVessel posted:I'm old enough to remember an active, vibrant squatting community. There is no need to go as far back as the 50s either - I had friends who lived here I'm assuming that by describing them as an 'active, vibrant community' that you think their presence was a net positive. For those of us who weren't around then (and just going off the wikipedia article you linked), what was laudable about stopping a university from providing some student accommodation?
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