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JT Jag posted:Comedy Central's offices received bomb threats and the episode has been censored ever since. Ironically, as the episode was about how censorship is dumb. I caught a minute of this when my brother was watching it and I assumed that was the joke. Like he had been designed from the beginning to be a huge joke about censorship with the animators just drawing a censor bar. Not that the creators had originally drawn Mohammed as an actual character and then later censored it.
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zoux posted:I know that Gary Larson has asked us politely not to post his cartoons on the internet but I think an exception can be made here. Does anyone know when this cartoon was published and if it caused any kind of controversy? I've never seen that strip mentioned as one of his "controversial" ones. Probably because this is just a random dude named Mohammed and not the prophet (unless there's some story in the Quran about a mountain ringing-and-running on him).
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No, Comedy Central actually censored it, and the episodes were the only ones not available on the SP site. I was referring to the Super Best Friends episode, which had Mohammed uncensored as a minor character. It too was pulled from the site.
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zoux posted:Maybe the extremists only get really salty about it if it is intended to be disrespectful as opposed to just a caricature? I know that it's haram either way but maybe they let it slide if you aren't specifically trying to troll Muslims. It was a different time, as has been mentioned, that episode came out before 9/11, that event and the American response to it has created a radically different landscape.
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Ballz posted:I've never seen that strip mentioned as one of his "controversial" ones. Probably because this is just a random dude named Mohammed and not the prophet (unless there's some story in the Quran about a mountain ringing-and-running on him). http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/if_the_mountain_won%27t_come_to_Muhammad
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zoux posted:Maybe the extremists only get really salty about it if it is intended to be disrespectful as opposed to just a caricature? I know that it's haram either way but maybe they let it slide if you aren't specifically trying to troll Muslims. Perhaps, or maybe it was post 9/11 that really galvanized that part of Islam? I really couldn't say. I was about to reference the fatwah on Salman Rushdie but that was from the Shi'ite side so not sure if that'd be relevant.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Perhaps, or maybe it was post 9/11 that really galvanized that part of Islam? I really couldn't say.
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Fried Chicken posted:Or it could be that since 2001 we've seen a massive growth in Internet penetration and dialog services (eg Twitter) both allowing more people to see what they deem to be offensive and allowing them to give voice to the fact they are offended. 9/11 really did change everything...
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Fried Chicken posted:Or it could be that since 2001 we've seen a massive growth in Internet penetration and dialog services (eg Twitter) both allowing more people to see what they deem to be offensive and allowing them to give voice to the fact they are offended. Nah, don't be ridiculous. alnilam posted:9/11 really did change everything... It changed the commemorative plate and coin game, that's for sure.
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 1A political cartoonist decrying the lack of originality in entertainment.  2Not sure what the message is here, but somebody's face is going to be removed.  3 4My favorite cartoon of the year so far. Who could forget the scene where Vader minces around stomping on robots and Princess Leia until Chewie saves the day?
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One of the candidates for Chicago mayor is Jesus "Chuy" Garcia.
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Rorus Raz posted:Payne is a manbaby fan of cars. Like I say in the index, he has space on his blog for reviewing cars, and I guess he's something of a purist and wants BIG SPEEDY MUSCLE CARS and not hybrid cars for hippy girls. In fourth grade I had to write a persuasive essay for a standardized test. I hated the entire concept of it because i was a little poo poo and i ended up writing about how the pencil I was holding in my hand should be elected president. it was a garbage essay, but it was still a thousand times better than that
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I really like the art of this one. It's nice to see crosshatchung done well, unlike ramirez
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WitchFetish posted:Maybe because my countrymen were assassinated in the middle of a european city because they dared to speak freely. If you don't have a problem with that, I don't know what to say tho And yet in October the Canadian posters in the thread didn't react the same way as you did.
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They think the GOP establishment has their loonies reined in better now than they did a few years ago. OR The GOP has members within it's ranks that are insane, even though they say they don't.
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bunnyofdoom posted:And yet in October the Canadian posters in the thread didn't react the same way as you did. Please link to the October posts that were upset about potential political cartoons rather than the fact people had just been murdered because I can't recall them tia.
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The founding fathers probably got bored and doodled in the margins when writing the rough draft of the Constitution/Bill of Rights. An accurate cartoon?
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Who What Now posted:The founding fathers probably got bored and doodled in the margins when writing the rough draft of the Constitution/Bill of Rights. An accurate cartoon?
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#JeSuisCharlie & #CharlieHebdo NMS: WARNING NMS: Be very careful if you use those tags to search for images on twitter: DAESH is currently posting HQ graphic images of beheadings using those tags. They are threatening that next time they won't use bullets (I am paraphrasing because I am not going back to verify - may the person whose remains showed up in my feed rest in peace )I saw this cartoon:  Which lead to a nice compilatation by Slate.fr For postarity's sake I've screencapped all the cartoons that was up on Slate.fr's tribute page.(when I visited the page) My French is rusty.      ([These are] Bad times for humour)    (If God exists, he does not kill for a drawing)   (Ducks always fly higher than guns)  Headline reads: Love is much stronger than hate.   Headline: Cabu, Wolinski, Tignous, Charb a death ugly and evil God: Cabu? You are ahead for once.    Not the cartoonist: I have rarely laughed so much. This one comes from The Netherlands.  Today, I am a cartoonist. Today, I am a journalist. Today, I make cartoons for Charlie Heblo Twitter comment: How can [one] draw today? How can one not draw today?   Twitter comment: Homage dedicated to the victims of #CharlieHebdo by our cartoonist NA!  #JeSuisCharlie (IAMCHARLIE - fyi) The crayon remains the most noble weapon. (I can't deciphre the rest -sorry)  Wholeheartedly with Charlie Hebdo Twitter comment: "Le Monde" is solidary/stands united with Charlie Hebdo. (A rollercoaster of socialist puns)  Man: All the journals bores me Dog: That's going to change! I am bringing you the first edition of My Newspaper Twitter comment: Homage to my friend Charb: his first cartoon in My Newspaper from 20 years ago.  Tragic bullets at Charlie Hebdo - 12 dead (am I missing a pun here?) Twitter comment: Emotional tribute to #CharlieHebdo and the old ones from Hara-Kiri for never forgetting the victims of the barbaric acts. #JeSuisCharlie (The journal used to be called Hara-Kiri Hebdo before it changed to Charlie)   Freedom of expression! --- This took me forever, sorry if there are reposts.
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People have already commented, but I want to point out how the intended message of this just seems to completely be clueless as to what compromise actually means. In 2007, when Democrats held the House, the media said Republicans should reach a consesnus where both sides get something, but NOW, when Republicans hold the senate, how DARE they ask that both sides reach a consensus where they both get what they want. The acto f compromise is seen by Branco as indistinguishable from unconditional surrender. WitchFetish posted:Maybe because my countrymen were assassinated in the middle of a european city because they dared to speak freely. If you don't have a problem with that, I don't know what to say tho Rorus Raz posted:South Park had an episode featuring Mohammed and nobody gave a poo poo. zoux posted:Maybe the extremists only get really salty about it if it is intended to be disrespectful as opposed to just a caricature? I know that it's haram either way but maybe they let it slide if you aren't specifically trying to troll Muslims. Thats really not how that works. The intent doesn't matter, its about how very anti-religious-iconography all of the teachings of Islam are.
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Bal and Balle (Ball as in the dancing kind and Bullet) are pronounced the same. This a reference to a headline by Hare-Kiri (CH's predecessor magazine), which said "Bal tragique à Colombey : 1 mort " (tragic ball in Colombey: one dead). It ran for De Gaulle's death, and it's also a reference to an unrelated fire at a nightclub that happened around his death, it was so shocking at the time that the Minister of the Interior banned the magazine(for mocking De Gaulle), which came back as Charlie Hebdo. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Stellar Curiosity posted:
The pun is that canard (duck) is also slang for newspaper. Stellar Curiosity posted:
"Freedom of the press in mourning".
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Thanks for posting those tribute cartoons. I don't expect anyone ever to overcome Chuck Asay's "Norwegians then [yikes!] --- Norwegians now [yikes, is that a gun?]" cartoon. I hope I'm right.
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Nenonen posted:Thanks for posting those tribute cartoons. I hope you're wrong 
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Honestly I feel a bit conflicted with the Charlie Hebdo stuff. Clearly they should not have been murdered over drawing cartoons, and they have the right to publish what they want. But at the same time the cartoons they made were often racist and just downright vile, and elevating their work or allowing the tragedy to make them immune from criticism worries me. This kind of poo poo becoming the symbol of free speech is a bit gross:  "Hands off our welfare!"
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^^^^^ Would you prefer free speech only apply to nice, agreeable things?Who What Now posted:The founding fathers probably got bored and doodled in the margins when writing the rough draft of the Constitution/Bill of Rights. An accurate cartoon? It's a Canadian cartoon. 
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Neeksy posted:Honestly I feel a bit conflicted with the Charlie Hebdo stuff. Context matters in satire. Maybe that cartoon is lampooning French racism, or maybe it's lampooning French politics, or maybe they're just trying to be shocking for the sake of being shocking. Taking a single cartoon from a body of work can give you a distorted view of an artist. 
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El Scotch posted:^^^^^ Would you prefer free speech only apply to nice, agreeable things? No? Just that allowing tragedy to cover up the fact that these cartoons are vile and are a part of a larger problem in French society is just falling into an easy narrative about terrorism and anti-muslim thought.
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Allocs are kind of the equivalent of the food stamps here (not really but you get the meaning) so yeah this cartoon isn't super great, it says something like "Boko Haram's sex slaves angered: Don't take our Allocs" Allocations familiale is money given to families to raise children, I think you get more money the more children you have, so you get the same "welfare queens" comments you get in the us. This cartoon was made when the allocs were to be reduced by the Hollande government. I don't know if it's supposed to be insulting to people who receive allocs or something, but it's the vibe I get from it. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Kurtofan posted:This cartoon was made when the allocs were to be reduced by the Hollande government. I don't know if it's supposed to be insulting to people who receive allocs or something, but it's the vibe I get from it. Yeah, it feels a lot like a Lester cartoon in a lot of ways. And from what I've seen, they have done lots of stuff like this before. Again, not deserving of death, but these were not brave cartoons speaking truth to power.
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Neeksy posted:No? Just that allowing tragedy to cover up the fact that these cartoons are vile and are a part of a larger problem in French society is just falling into an easy narrative about terrorism and anti-muslim thought. You're helping that narrative yourself by slandering people who were murdered by madmen for no reason at all.
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Nenonen posted:You're helping that narrative yourself by slandering people who were murdered by madmen for no reason at all. I don't think I'm slandering them by pointing out that they made racist cartoons. It's not a good thing at all that they were killed, and yet I can also say that I feel uncomfortable with viewing them as a martyr because martyrdom can often elevate and whitewash things that are problematic. And the backlash against Islamic people whenever this kind of thing happens just leads to further divisions. They were madmen, but they had a reason. It was a lovely reason, and no good person should ever do something like this because of it.
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