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So I missed it yesterday but Trent Franks and Marsha Blackburn reintroduced the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. This act passed the house last year, but stalled out on the senate. Lindsey Graham plans on introducing a companion bill in the senate. This would ban abortion after 20 weeks, on the claim that it is banning fetal pain. You may think this sounds very familiar to the Arizona law from a few years back whose wording was so poor it declared women as pregnant before conception. That's because it's the same poo poo. loving hell man
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Fried Chicken posted:So I missed it yesterday but Trent Franks and Marsha Blackburn reintroduced the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. This act passed the house last year, but stalled out on the senate. Lindsey Graham plans on introducing a companion bill in the senate. This would ban abortion after 20 weeks, on the claim that it is banning fetal pain. You may think this sounds very familiar to the Arizona law from a few years back whose wording was so poor it declared women as pregnant before conception. That's because it's the same poo poo. Same concept or literally the same language?
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Jan 7, 2015 21:03
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Radbot posted:Well, to start, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claiborne_Pell - hell, even President Eisenhower (who I'm aware was a Republican) voiced his support for the 26th Amendment. You could also look to the '68 DNC to find a huge block of Democrats who supported the youth electorate (though obviously not the majority of Dems). You're seriously citing the 1968 DNC as an example of the Democratic Party catering to the youth? On your earth is the Chicago Seven a pop band led by Micheal Chicago?
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Jan 7, 2015 21:04
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evilweasel posted:youth voters are generally not disenfranchised they just don't really care and have better things to do by design yeah 
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Jan 7, 2015 21:04
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evilweasel posted:youth voters are generally not disenfranchised they just don't really care and have better things to do Yes like "work at a call center for 12 hours without overtime" and "find a fourth roommate to cover your higher rent" I guess it depends on what you consider disenfranchised. A system that ensures any candidate that would help your station in life will be doomed to fail seems pretty disenfranchising to me.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:05
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Sorry I don't mean that they are disenfranchised in terms of being able to vote, but have very little ways to actually affect anything that concerns them such as predatory student loans, under employment amongst millennials, drug laws, inability to afford what used to be the "American Dream" such as housing or starting a family, etc.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:05
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Stultus Maximus posted:It's just too bad people think that all public radio is "NPR" because PRI is putting out much better material. NPR was essentially created to put leftist minority radio out of business. Which it did, Pacifica is a joke these days.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:05
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Stultus Maximus posted:Also, NPR fired their opera host for participating in Occupy Wall Street due to "conflict of interest." An opera host. They still run Planet Money despite Adam Davidson taking large speaking fees from major financial institutions. Juan Williams got fired because he was already on probation for sexual harassment charges from multiple women. Holding him up for declaiming NPR after they tossed him is not an element you would want to include in your argument.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:05
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Radish posted:Sorry I don't mean that they are disenfranchised in terms of being able to vote, but have very little ways to actually affect anything that concerns them such as predatory student loans, under employment amongst millennials, drug laws, etc. He wasn't talking about ability to vote either, he was talking about willingness to vote.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:06
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zoux posted:Same concept or literally the same language? I'm assuming same concept since I haven't seen the exact language, but given the difficulty pinpointing date of conception for most people I expect it has similar flaws
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Jan 7, 2015 21:07
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Stultus Maximus posted:Also, NPR fired their opera host for participating in Occupy Wall Street due to "conflict of interest." An opera host. They still run Planet Money despite Adam Davidson taking large speaking fees from major financial institutions. Ahh I miss Tell me More. Michel still produces interesting stuff. She's looking at NFL sometime in the near future, I think. Do you read/listen to Code Switch?
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Jan 7, 2015 21:08
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Fried Chicken posted:Juan Williams got fired because he was already on probation for sexual harassment charges from multiple women. Holding him up for declaiming NPR after they tossed him is not an element you would want to include in your argument. I won't defend Juan because he's a dick but the point is fairly accurate.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:09
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Fried Chicken posted:So I missed it yesterday but Trent Franks and Marsha Blackburn reintroduced the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. This act passed the house last year, but stalled out on the senate. Lindsey Graham plans on introducing a companion bill in the senate. This would ban abortion after 20 weeks, on the claim that it is banning fetal pain. You may think this sounds very familiar to the Arizona law from a few years back whose wording was so poor it declared women as pregnant before conception. That's because it's the same poo poo. I'm really curious how far they are going to go now that they've been embolden with another mandate to do whatever they want. I'm assuming effectively making abortions illegal as they've been doing in the certain areas of South but I'm curious what awful stuff I haven't even thought of they are planning. I'm guessing company script will be making a comeback.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:09
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Radish posted:I'm really curious how far they are going to go now that they've been embolden with another mandate to do whatever they want. I'm assuming effectively making abortions illegal as they've been doing in the certain areas of South but I'm curious what awful stuff I haven't even thought of they are planning. I'm guessing company script will be making a comeback. this close enough to script?
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Jan 7, 2015 21:12
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It's scrip, guys.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:12
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Fried Chicken posted:Juan Williams got fired because he was already on probation for sexual harassment charges from multiple women. Holding him up for declaiming NPR after they tossed him is not an element you would want to include in your argument. Just because he was a lovely reporter and lovely person doesn't mean he wasn't right about NPR having a minority problem. His shittiness allowed liberals to dismiss that accurate criticism and continue pretending NPR is good.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:12
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I'm thinking "Walmart Company Store" like they tried in Mexico a few years ago. I think it will be called the "Worker Payment Freedom Act." zoux posted:It's scrip, guys. Oops Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Jan 7, 2015 21:13
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computer parts posted:He wasn't talking about ability to vote either, he was talking about willingness to vote. Right. Why vote when no candidate represents your viewpoints and FPTP voting/presidential debate rules/etc. ensure a third party candidate will never win a national race?
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Jan 7, 2015 21:23
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Radbot posted:Right. Why vote when no candidate represents your viewpoints and FPTP voting/presidential debate rules/etc. ensure a third party candidate will never win a national race? Yet mysteriously they all start voting in larger numbers after they reach the age of 30.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:24
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Stultus Maximus posted:Also, NPR fired their opera host for participating in Occupy Wall Street due to "conflict of interest." An opera host. They still run Planet Money despite Adam Davidson taking large speaking fees from major financial institutions. Im bitter because the Smiley and West show ended and I am still bitter at how harsh people have been on them because they had the nerve to criticize Obama. As for health care reform, after my first year working in a hospital as an RN, holy poo poo some of it can be sickening, particularly when it comes to surgeries. There is one doctor there that I work with that does like 6 or 7 spinal fusions in a day to the point that he is under investigation for recommending them when they may not have been necessary.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:24
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Radbot posted:Right. Why vote when no candidate represents your viewpoints and FPTP voting/presidential debate rules/etc. ensure a third party candidate will never win a national race? the Ferguson strategy, I see If you don't vote, nobody gonna do poo poo to win your vote.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:27
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computer parts posted:Yet mysteriously they all start voting in larger numbers after they reach the age of 30. is it a mystery?
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Jan 7, 2015 21:28
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My Imaginary GF posted:the Ferguson strategy, I see I mean, nobody here is disputing that more young voter turnout would be good for young people. The issue is the perceived marginal benefit.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:29
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Lessail posted:is it a mystery? I mean not really, but presumably if no candidate represents your viewpoints then you would just disengage from voting all together.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:29
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computer parts posted:Yet mysteriously they all start voting in larger numbers after they reach the age of 30. Yes, what a mystery - when you start caring about property tax and immigration-related job loss, there are suddenly people that represent your viewpoints. I'm surprised you find it mysterious that people's priorities change over the course of their lives. Though then again, this is really the first generation with insane undergrad debt. I think that one will persist a bit.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:30
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Fried Chicken posted:So I missed it yesterday but Trent Franks and Marsha Blackburn reintroduced the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. This act passed the house last year, but stalled out on the senate. Lindsey Graham plans on introducing a companion bill in the senate. This would ban abortion after 20 weeks, on the claim that it is banning fetal pain. You may think this sounds very familiar to the Arizona law from a few years back whose wording was so poor it declared women as pregnant before conception. That's because it's the same poo poo. Called it in the OP, man.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:31
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computer parts posted:I mean not really, but presumably if no candidate represents your viewpoints then you would just disengage from voting all together. Hey Democrats are making it so that the interest on my six-figure educational debt might come down half a point, they care! Also the Democrat Supermajority state of california has increased my state school tuition by 40% but the GOP would be worse, go team blue!
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Doesn't help that age range when a lack of stability hampers your ability to vote. If we are looking for a 'one size fits all' explanation we're going to be here a while.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:32
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Radbot posted:
Yeah, it will be interesting to see how politicians adjust to that one.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:32
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Radish posted:I'm really curious how far they are going to go now that they've been embolden with another mandate to do whatever they want. I'm assuming effectively making abortions illegal as they've been doing in the certain areas of South but I'm curious what awful stuff I haven't even thought of they are planning. I'm guessing company script will be making a comeback. Period monitoring will be their stopping point.
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computer parts posted:I mean not really, but presumably if no candidate represents your viewpoints then you would just disengage from voting all together. I'm wondering if there has been actual polling or anything to look into why the number does get higher. Would be nice information to have if there hasn't been.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:33
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Zeitgueist posted:Hey Democrats are making it so that the interest on my six-figure educational debt might come down half a point, they care! Would you prefer the alternative and allow yourself to be imprisoned for failing to meet your 17% APR payments?
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Jan 7, 2015 21:33
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Zeitgueist posted:NPR was essentially created to put leftist minority radio out of business. Yes, they are, but their nightly news isn't completely awful yet (probably because half the reporting comes straight from FSRN)
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Jan 7, 2015 21:34
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DemeaninDemon posted:Period monitoring will be their stopping point. Hey life begins at fertilization and a bunch of fertilized eggs are discharged during menstruation. What I'm saying is that we need to implement mass youth gymnastics programs.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:34
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My Imaginary GF posted:Would you prefer the alternative and allow yourself to be imprisoned for failing to meet your 17% APR payments? Hahaha MIGF living the joke, as usual.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:35
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Gravel Gravy posted:Doesn't help that age range when a lack of stability hampers your ability to vote. If we are looking for a 'one size fits all' explanation we're going to be here a while. I don't know, personally I think the "feckless, trophy-for-all youth who love selfies and hate America" explanation holds just as much water as "I can't vote because my boss won't give me time off"
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Jan 7, 2015 21:36
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Radbot posted:Right. Why vote when no candidate represents your viewpoints and FPTP voting/presidential debate rules/etc. ensure a third party candidate will never win a national race? OK so you are claiming that youth don't vote because "nobody represents [their] viewpoints" which is pretty comprehensively debunked by the chart you posted because you'd see more significant variation if that were the case. It's just that parties don't appeal to you so you've decided they don't appeal to all people like you. Radbot posted:I don't know, personally I think the "feckless, trophy-for-all youth who love selfies and hate America" explanation holds just as much water as "I can't vote because my boss won't give me time off" Non-youth also have jobs.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:37
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My Imaginary GF posted:Would you prefer the alternative and allow yourself to be imprisoned for failing to meet your 17% APR payments? Precisely, just look at the legions of people imprisoned due to credit card debt. Look at them. evilweasel posted:OK so you are claiming that youth don't vote because "nobody represents [their] viewpoints" which is pretty comprehensively debunked by the chart you posted because you'd see more significant variation if that were the case. It's just that parties don't appeal to you so you've decided they don't appeal to all people like you. I didn't claim poo poo. I'm asking a question based on my personal opinion as young(ish) person. Do you prefer "why do people say young people should vote when there's really no point in them doing so"?
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Zeitgueist posted:Hey life begins at fertilization and a bunch of fertilized eggs are discharged during menstruation. "Miss your last menstruation contained a human. You are now being charged with murder."
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Radbot posted:Precisely, just look at the legions of people imprisoned due to credit card debt. Look at them. You think the other side isn't in favor of debtor's prison?! Really? Have you followed nothing on privitized prisons and Republican congressional agenda?
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