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TinTower posted:The Sun wants to protect free speech by giving the intelligence services more snooping powers. Clearly authorities must be given greater powers to spy on people. For the greater good. quote:Lawyers for The Sun are likely to argue to the IPT that the Met’s use of spying powers to identify lawful journalistic sources was a clear breach of Article 10.
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Ddraig posted:They died for their beliefs. To refrain from making crass and tasteless jokes at their expense is completely at odds with their martyrdom. We should be ripping the piss out of them at every available opportunity, it is what they would have wanted. That's actually kinda sweet in a weird way.
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TinTower posted:The Sun wants to protect free speech by giving the intelligence services more snooping powers. I can't help but feel that in the process of putting it on everything, the spirit of "keep calm and carry on" has been somehow morphed into "throw a fanny fit and scream uncontrollably"
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Gonzo McFee posted:It was a tasteless joke and I apologise. actually you were bravely exercising your right to free speech
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TinTower posted:The Sun wants to protect free speech by giving the intelligence services more snooping powers. I dont read the sun for the same reason I don't eat lead but this is the first time I've noticed the US usage of crazy "liberals". Are we importing American political rhetoric or is this always a thing?
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People killing other people in the name of religion cannot be understood.
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Regarde Aduck posted:People killing other people in the name of religion cannot be understood. I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not, but in case it isn't, people have been killing other people in the name of religion since Ak started worshipping Kep, the nearby tree, and Ob decided that the rains were brought by Ugg, who manifests as a bear, instead. Ak throws a rock at Ob, Ob smacks Ak with his club, and suddenly cavemen are inventing spears and slings and MRLAs. If there's one thing that is perfectly explicable about the human race, it's that we're ready to kill each other for questionable loving reasons, because we're a terrible species who are easily turned to hate, rage, and violence.
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Religion as a motivator for action is just as understandable as any other. Perhaps more so than most since religious reasoning was more likely to be committed to the historical record than anything else for most of history.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Religion as a motivator for action is just as understandable as any other. Perhaps more so than most since religious reasoning was more likely to be committed to the historical record than anything else for most of history. It's like any political or religious extreme. Where the view is they are 100% right so it becomes easier to paint everyone else as the enemy and they go down the rabbit hole of well they're monsters so it's ok for me to kill them. If you talk to some crazy Zionist Jew, Jews for Jesus, Khawarij, Tea Party Born-Again Christian and such. You're not going to have a moderate Church of England bishop thinking he is right 100% of the time and everyone else is the enemy.
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Jan 8, 2015 10:59
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Just thought I'd post this delightful nugget in here for my British friends in London who are currently looking for homes: http://vimeo.com/116099281
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Fluo posted:It's like any political or religious extreme. Where the view is they are 100% right so it becomes easier to paint everyone else as the enemy and they go down the rabbit hole of well they're monsters so it's ok for me to kill them. If you talk to some crazy Zionist Jew, Jews for Jesus, Khawarij, Tea Party Born-Again Christian and such. You're not going to have a moderate Church of England bishop thinking he is right 100% of the time and everyone else is the enemy. In before you take out half of CAMRA for not liking your next beer 
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mfcrocker posted:In before you take out half of CAMRA for not liking your next beer This would be a victimless crime, though.
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iFederico posted:Just thought I'd post this delightful nugget in here for my British friends in London who are currently looking for homes: http://vimeo.com/116099281 It's only £3,180,000. I hear there are immigrants that get more than that on benefits in a week. Anyone care to put in an offer? Edit: Hell a one bedroom apartment is only £1,150,000. If I start saving now I could have a deposit ready this side of 50 years. Penthouse £23,000,000 Gruffalo Soldier fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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iFederico posted:Just thought I'd post this delightful nugget in here for my British friends in London who are currently looking for homes: http://vimeo.com/116099281
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Mister Adequate posted:I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not, but in case it isn't, people have been killing other people in the name of religion since Ak started worshipping Kep, the nearby tree, and Ob decided that the rains were brought by Ugg, who manifests as a bear, instead. Ak throws a rock at Ob, Ob smacks Ak with his club, and suddenly cavemen are inventing spears and slings and MRLAs. If there's one thing that is perfectly explicable about the human race, it's that we're ready to kill each other for questionable loving reasons, because we're a terrible species who are easily turned to hate, rage, and violence. Nah we're just transitioning towards intelligence. If you gave a wolf or a cow our level of IQ they'd probably be doing all the same stuff we do: namely good and bad things to eachother. We do a lot of dumb poo poo and we probably won't be around in a couple million years but we're the only game in town and I think we're doing pretty well for a race of meat-eating apes. We're also earth-life's only current chance of propagating itself off of our world barring a giant meteor sending plucky bacteria to space.
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Ddraig posted:This would be a victimless crime, though. CAMRA is staffed by lots of fat bearded men wearing old iron maiden t-shirts and sandals, so I've always assumed it's strongly infiltrated by Goons. A victimless crime.
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nopantsjack posted:Nah we're just transitioning towards intelligence. If you gave a wolf or a cow our level of IQ they'd probably be doing all the same stuff we do: namely good and bad things to eachother. We do a lot of dumb poo poo and we probably won't be around in a couple million years but we're the only game in town and I think we're doing pretty well for a race of meat-eating apes. Not earth-life's only hope... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFg6Y7zbRg4
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nopantsjack posted:Nah we're just transitioning towards intelligence. If you gave a wolf or a cow our level of IQ they'd probably be doing all the same stuff we do: namely good and bad things to eachother. We do a lot of dumb poo poo and we probably won't be around in a couple million years but we're the only game in town and I think we're doing pretty well for a race of meat-eating apes. Although we've already done it. Not very far, but we've propagated bacterial spores as far as the heliosheath on the Voyager probes anyway, so job done I guess. e: nopantsjack posted:I dont read the sun for the same reason I don't eat lead but this is the first time I've noticed the US usage of crazy "liberals". Are we importing American political rhetoric or is this always a thing? Here's an example from a few years back of "them liberals and progressives" being used more akin to the American sense (unsurprisingly, it's from the Daily Mail). http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1388359/The-dentists-anaesthetic-dodgy-dealers-cutting-cocaine-UK.html Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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iFederico posted:Just thought I'd post this delightful nugget in here for my British friends in London who are currently looking for homes: http://vimeo.com/116099281 Redrow topped that: http://vimeo.com/115968280 Fight Club meets American Psycho in a bid to sell overpriced flats.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Redrow topped that: http://vimeo.com/115968280 
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Ddraig posted:They died for their beliefs. To refrain from making crass and tasteless jokes at their expense is completely at odds with their martyrdom. We should be ripping the piss out of them at every available opportunity, it is what they would have wanted. Charlie Hebdo is poo poo. It doesn't stop bullets.
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Jedit posted:Charlie Hebdo is poo poo. It doesn't stop bullets.
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I found this article fascinating. It's a journal by a senior doctor covering one average night of his running an A&E department. It's got some really interesting (to me, a layman) insights into the bureaucracy involved in even the simplest stuff.quote:I still haven’t had a break. I’m tired and hungry. We still have 35 patients in A&E. It never stops. A few years ago, you could sometimes hope to get A&E empty by 4am and have an hour or so for the team to eat and freshen up, maybe do some teaching for the juniors. Not any more. e: also: quote:One of the drunk patients is shouting and swearing. He urinates all over the floor. It’s upsetting for the family of the dying cancer patient next door. They should be spending these last days together in a hospice, not in A&E – but all the local hospices are full. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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Wolfsbane posted:
The whole article reads very seductively, but he also hasn't dealt with the mechanics of moving away from the capitalist system. He labels all these jobs pointless because they only exist within a capitalist system, but then attributes it to a great conspiracy to keep the status quo in existence. I'm not sure he puts forward any convincing arguments for this conspiracy - companies (on the whole) aren't in the habit of pissing money down the drain - they hire people into these 'pointless' jobs because they add real value to the company, as it participates in the capitalist economy. To take ThomasPaine's example of headhunters - even they add real value to a company. If they're trusted and can use a network of contacts to funnel and filter high quality candidates towards you for middle/senior positions who might otherwise not have seen your vacancy then that's a valuable service and will save your senior people a ton of time. As long as the capitalist system persists, companies will continue to make rational decisions by employing people in jobs that he sees as meaningless (essentially non-manual ones). Unless the entire economy switches overnight, I can't see how it would be in the best interests of any company to stop employing people to so-called 'useless' positions. Edit: Oberleutnant posted:I found this article fascinating. It's a journal by a senior doctor covering one average night of his running an A&E department. It's got some really interesting (to me, a layman) insights into the bureaucracy involved in even the simplest stuff. This is a very interesting and depressing article. Makes you want to beat all of our politicians collectively over the head with it until they see some sense. Prince John fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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quote:A woman arrives with her three-year old son in an ambulance. The boy has had a runny nose for three days and vomited once tonight. There’s no way they should be here, at this time, when he just has a cold – and they certainly shouldn’t have called an ambulance – but we have to see him anyway. She’s never heard of NHS 111. 99.9% of the time they could say 'go away' but theres always that .1% who are showing early symptoms of a very life threatening issue. It must be so frustrating.
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Disinterested posted:CAMRA is staffed by lots of fat bearded men wearing old iron maiden t-shirts and sandals, so I've always assumed it's strongly infiltrated by Goons. Lib Dems, surely? 
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Peel posted:Do you support promoting racist rhetoric? Are they racist though? All the cartoons I've seen have been very poor taste and inflammatory but always aimed at mocking the Religion, and they seem to mock Christianity and Judaism just as much. This is an honest question, I know little about the publication but from I have seen has not struck me as 'racist' but rather ham fisted anti-religious.
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Mega Comrade posted:This is an honest question, I know little about the publication but from I have seen has not struck me as 'racist' but rather ham fisted anti-religious.
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Jan 8, 2015 17:17
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In ACAB news, the Met have formally admitted in a FOI request that the SDS stole the identities of dead children for undercover purposes. Not particularly anything new, but at least they're formally admitting it.
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TinTower posted:In ACAB news, the Met have formally admitted in a FOI request that the SDS stole the identities of dead children for undercover purposes. Not particularly anything new, but at least they're formally admitting it. What's that you say? A good time to bury bad news?
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Cameron woke up this morning and thought "How do I gently caress Labour today?" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30726499 
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I'm not sure it fucks Labour, since Milliband couldn't even loving debate Myleene Klass. If anything, it's doing them a favour.
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tooterfish posted:I'm not sure it fucks Labour, since Milliband couldn't even loving debate Myleene Klass. If the Greens are in Labour potentially loses votes to them when the Green Party points out they're basically the Tories but a bit less poo poo. If they're out, Cameron doesn't have to do a debate with Nigel Farage where Milliband would just have to sit back and let them argue who hates the EU and Migrants more, content in the knowledge that nothing he says will be reported on anyway.
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Oberleutnant posted:I found this article fascinating. It's a journal by a senior doctor covering one average night of his running an A&E department. It's got some really interesting (to me, a layman) insights into the bureaucracy involved in even the simplest stuff. It sounds less like bureaucracy and just a sheer lack of money. More staff needed everywhere. A very good article nonetheless.
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Fans posted:Cameron woke up this morning and thought "How do I gently caress Labour today?" hahahaha I never thought I'd say this but...thanks...Cameron... I know he's in it for his own ends, but it plays nicely into mine too.
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I don't really see a positive solution to the question of "is it racist to mock Islam". Deeming it "racist" is to suggest you shouldn't do it. But why not? Why should a religion be free from mockery? Mockery isn't hurling abuse, vandalizing houses or burning down Mosques. Pretty sure Father Ted mocked the Catholic church to the point where it even brought up paedophilia within the church. How we laughed. It's not that i'm missing the point that racists often use attacking the religion as an excuse: they are really attacking anyone that is different. I get that. It's just that I don't feel you can write off free speech and the ability to criticize a religion because of the potential for racists to disguise their bigotry. There are essentially two idiotic sides in the Paris shooting thread: Side A) Islam should be a protected religion that no one can deride, mock or criticize in anyway because to do so is fascism. Side B) Islam should be glassed off the planet, LETS ROLL. I really don't believe these cartoonists gave a gently caress about the race of the Muslims they mocked. I've seen the cartoons and they were infantile and not funny and pretty offensive. But nothing that should be banned. Nothing that was even close to getting violent about. It's all low hanging fruit. Attacks on Muhammad here, a mention of paedophilia within the Vatican there. It's just poo poo you can here of a loudmouth in a pub. Boo loving hoo. For the hard of thinking lets do a simulation involving a militant atheist who is a bit of a dick. His name is Jim Atheist. Jim Atheist walks into a room and see's Terry Islam. Terry Islam is a Muslim. "lol Islam is loving poo poo as all HECK m8" says Jim Atheist. Terry Islam replies "  ". Now is Jim Atheist racist? We know via science that he is truly a big ponce of an atheist who really only cares about what religion someone is or isn't. Is he NOT a racist but should KEEP HIS loving MOUTH SHUT? This would be one of solutions suggested by Paris shooting thread. I think he might just be another mean spirited member of the human race that we have to put up with. And not wish death upon.The actual solution is of course that we carry on as normal and treat each other like human beings while still being allowed to take the piss out of each others crazy bearded sky dad religions. Also the careless throwing around of the word "racist" only devalues it. People stop caring when everyone in the world has been called racist by someone or another. It's like America and the word "terrorist". No one cares anymore because they know it just means someone on the CIA's shitlist. They might be terrorists or they might be anti-capitalist nuns.
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Hang on, UKIP can be involved in election debates, but the Greens aren't a big enough party? I mean, I don't even particularly like the Greens and that's a terrible decision. KKKlean Energy posted:It sounds less like bureaucracy and just a sheer lack of money. More staff needed everywhere. A very good article nonetheless. The catchphrase of the NHS. It's a complete shitshow, pretty much all legislation in the last 10 years has made the situation worse and now we'll all get to enjoy low-cost affordable as long as you're healthy healthcare in the future.
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TinTower posted:In ACAB news, the Met have formally admitted in a FOI request that the SDS stole the identities of dead children for undercover purposes. Not particularly anything new, but at least they're formally admitting it. As I'm clearly far less sentimental than most of the people up in arms about this, can somebody explain what the big deal is please? And why is there no outrage over the majority of 'victims' who were adults? What if they used the identities of the deceased from 100 years ago - would that be acceptable? I can understand why using real identities would simplify the process of building a fake identity, but even picking random forenames and surnames from a book would still include the names of dead children and dead adults. Zephro posted:This would be an awesome thing for them to put on their cover, now that they've said they're bringing the paper out next week. They did something similar after they were firebombed last time, so they have form.
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Regarde Aduck posted:I don't really see a positive solution to the question of "is it racist to mock Islam". Deeming it "racist" is to suggest you shouldn't do it. But why not? Why should a religion be free from mockery? Mockery isn't hurling abuse, vandalizing houses or burning down Mosques. Pretty sure Father Ted mocked the Catholic church to the point where it even brought up paedophilia within the church. How we laughed. You have to separate arguments about whether or not it's good to mock a religion from whether or not you are allowed to, to start off with. Once you've done that, most arguments involving people not being allowed to mock a religion boil down to either (a) privileging religion as a form of affiliation or as an idea, or (b) privilege the right not to be offender over the right to untrammelled free speech. Both of those lines of argument have more or less been shown to be utter bollocks. But it doesn't help that we have laws against incitement to hatred, or that Euros have laws against holocaust denial - to a lot of people, that seems like an inconsistency. Of course, the reason holocaust denial is banned is in response to the fact that within living memory the countries with those laws have been controlled by fascists who still aspired unfruitfully to overthrow the state and all rights to free speech.
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I don't even get the viewpoint from an extremist Muslim. If a guy terribly offends Allah or whatever by drawing Muhammad, should they not just be content that he's totally not making it to paradise like they are? I don't know why you'd take it personally unless it becomes merged with racism, which I guess it sometimes does but doesn't seem to in this case. It's not like their rights to practice their religion are being eroded (if they were, I suppose it would be consistent for them to fight back in that they're defending the faith, in some way). It's just strange. Islamic texts as far as I'm aware don't mention muslims being rewarded for butchering unbelievers just for being unbelievers in the same way something like Aztec or Norse paganism did, and historically the caliphate was often more tolerant than Christian Europe was to religious minorities.Disinterested posted:Of course, the reason holocaust denial is banned is in response to the fact that within living memory the countries with those laws have been controlled by fascists who still aspired unfruitfully to overthrow the state and all rights to free speech. Probably going to get so much stick for this, but as a historian I do not believe holocaust denial should be illegal. It completely undermines academic freedom. It's absolutely right for anyone who tries it to be critically engaged with and flattened academically, and discredited as a result, but to bar the right to even think that way is a very dangerous precedent. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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