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zoux posted:Last Week Tonight is doing the best American political satire at the moment. Hm, I haven't checked that out. Maybe I should have a look. Thanks.
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Broken Cog posted:Hm, I haven't checked that out. Maybe I should have a look. Thanks. They distinguish themselves from the Daily show by doing 15 minute long form pieces where they really drill down on a specific issue. They also include a lot of international issues and they say gently caress a whole bunch. I think all their long form features are on Youtube and honestly they are all excellent, but this is one of my favorites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIMgfBZrrZ8
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Broken Cog posted:Hm, I haven't checked that out. Maybe I should have a look. Thanks. John Oliver is pretty great, and he also does a podcast (The Bugle) that does a fair amount of political satire/criticism/reporting.
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That there is art inherent in shock value alone is something I have difficulty agreeing with, though. It has to be done with a lot of care and it very frequently is not. I'm not sure that we can claim anything absent shock value is "complacent" or "toothless."
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Stultus Maximus posted:Charlie Hebdo seems crude and juvenile. Bonjour, bienvenue à la France
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Fried Chicken posted:It wasn't "misinterpreted" and it wasn't "over a cartoon". It was a calculated act with an intended effect this actually makes a lot of sense, though i don't think it's been 100% proven that there was connection. considering that basically the same thing happened here in Canada I wouldn't be surprised though ANYWAYS i apologize for derailing a thread about what ultimately should be posting bad cartoons and laughing at them
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It's kind of okay that we had a long discussion about it, I mean some chat is bound to happen and at least this one is pretty directly about political cartoons. I get that people reacted really harshly to old GBS but this persistent idea that any time a thread veers from its purpose it's a "derail" and that the derail is bad is really, really weird.
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Bicyclops posted:It's kind of okay that we had a long discussion about it, I mean some chat is bound to happen and at least this one is pretty directly about political cartoons. I get that people reacted really harshly to old GBS but this persistent idea that any time a thread veers from its purpose it's a "derail" and that the derail is bad is really, really weird. I think it was pretty good that the discussion didn't get too insulting and mean. 
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Satire is truly dead.
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Exclamation Marx posted:I want to know if the Boko Haram one is meant to be satirising daily mail type MUSLIM BENEFIT SCROUNGERS TAKING ARE TAXES stuff, or if it's just a terrible joke Trust me, it's the first one. It's definitely intended to ridicule the conservative viewpoint of minorities getting all the benefits because : -Boko Haram sex slaves most likely have more important issues to deal with -They are not even in France -The whole thing is definitively over the top Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, I think it's a cultural difference. As an American, I see Colbert as the pinnacle of satire, both funny and incisive, whereas everything posted here from Charlie Hebdo seems crude and juvenile. I guess it's mostly cultural differences then, because I tend to see Colbert/John Stewart/that Oliver guy as extremely conventional and maybe a little too bland for my tastes, especially the latter whose name I just can't remember right now. Creamed Cormp fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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Rorus Raz posted:Satire is truly dead. so is democracy, free speech, gun rights, "family values", etc
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albany academy posted:What do sane people kill for Money, sex, land. Normal things, really.
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Nice jab at the PC Media, not as bad as leister's though.
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Eat poo poo McCoy. Eat a steaming log of poo poo on a bun.
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Oh hey there dolchstoss Can someone tell me exactly what the media is not doing that McCoy wishes they were? Just nonstop Mohammed caricatures on every front page, or what?
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I wonder if it bothers him to depict French people not losing/running from a battle.
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That cartoon is 100 percent correct, though.
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duz posted:Money, sex, land. Normal things, really. 
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loquacius posted:Oh hey there dolchstoss That's not Dolchstoss at all unless you want to stretch the definition enough that it's incapable of holding any water beyond "two people on a battlefront." quote:Can someone tell me exactly what the media is not doing that McCoy wishes they were? Just nonstop Mohammed caricatures on every front page, or what? You've been following the discussion in this thread yes?
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loquacius posted:Oh hey there dolchstoss He most certainly made that cartoon before he could observe anything but Breaking News kind of coverage.
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b0ner of doom posted:That cartoon is 100 percent correct, though. Actually, the PC Media is maintaining maximum profits by taking a passive stance. So shouldn't he be congratulating their free market acumen?
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If it were edited so that the guy running away had DnD on his rear end, it'd be a pretty good cartoon.
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loquacius posted:Oh hey there dolchstoss It honestly doesn't seem to be more than a "P.C media amIrite?  " joke set to the current events.
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Bicyclops posted:It's kind of okay that we had a long discussion about it, I mean some chat is bound to happen and at least this one is pretty directly about political cartoons. I get that people reacted really harshly to old GBS but this persistent idea that any time a thread veers from its purpose it's a "derail" and that the derail is bad is really, really weird. I don't know why you brought up Old GBS in this context, since the old GBS being all shouty about derails was one of the many many reasons it was killed, people reacting harshly against Old GBS would mean they were for derails, no? Anyway, here's an absurdly small cartoon made by some guy named Tom Stiglich 
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loquacius posted:Oh hey there dolchstoss Glenn McCoy posted:Most of the media is still afraid to acknowledge that we are at war or who the enemy is. A united front in favor of free speech would have provided these brave cartoonists some needed protection but unfortunately the P.C. press doesn't wish to offend those who deal out censorship with bullets bombs and beheadings.
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Republican Congress starts dismantling the progress built over the years under Obama who attempts to maintain the place with what materials he has. A good cartoon.
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forbidden lesbian posted:I don't know why you brought up Old GBS in this context, since the old GBS being all shouty about derails was one of the many many reasons it was killed, people reacting harshly against Old GBS would mean they were for derails, no? I don't know, that seems to be the reason people express for concern whenever people use genuine words and sometimes even paragraphs to express ideas, that we are in danger of falling into a wormhole to "old GBS," in which the PC Police running from the foxhole in that bad McCoy cartoon are going to assassinate all joking or something.
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colonel_korn posted:I wonder if he's aware that the staff had armed police guards with them. Who were also killed. Ok cool so he is straight-up flat-out saying that what he wants is a new crusade against the entire Islamic world, just making sure How does he think that would work exactly? We declare war on every single country with a Muslim majority and... then do what? What are our goals in this imagined war, apart from mass conversion to Christianity or genocide? Does he think we could just impose democracy? Even if we could, what would that accomplish? None of the people behind this attack or any other was a state actor; changing a government somewhere wouldn't stop them but the war that would require WOULD really piss them off.
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colonel_korn posted:I wonder if he's aware that the staff had armed police guards with them. Who were also killed. Oh, so it's really just a cartoon about how those drat PC Police in the media won't just indiscriminately tar and feather all Muslims everywhere because of this tragedy. Never mind that one of the officers killed was Muslim. gently caress you, McCoy.
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loquacius posted:Can someone tell me exactly what the media is not doing that McCoy wishes they were? Just nonstop Mohammed caricatures on every front page, or what? My guess is that a lot of them are censoring the photo in their reporting of the incident. Telegraph, NY Daily News, CNN, and NY Times had photos of the editor holding up his art and blurred out the actual comic. AP cropped the image out of their photos.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, I think it's a cultural difference. As an American, I see Colbert as the pinnacle of satire, both funny and incisive, whereas everything posted here from Charlie Hebdo seems crude and juvenile. That's French humour for you.
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b0ner of doom posted:That cartoon is 100 percent correct, though.
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Hitler B. Natural posted:That's French humour for you. quimby is hebdo 
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Rorus Raz posted:Actually, if they freely chose not to run stupid Mohammed cartoons out of respect for, you know, the many people who aren't wackjob fundamentalists, then that's also free speech. Sure, but I have trouble believing that's their motivation.
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prefect posted:Sure, but I have trouble believing that's their motivation.
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Rorus Raz posted:That's fine, but not including the cartoons out of a fear that their office will be shot up is not political correctness gone mad, so that McCoy is poo poo regardless. Can't argue with this.
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