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Oh, if Washington does end up increasing the gas tax, can Oregon follow suit? It could be used to fund transit expansion, which we kind of need at the moment.
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Hedera Helix posted:Oh, if Washington does end up increasing the gas tax, can Oregon follow suit? It could be used to fund transit expansion, which we kind of need at the moment. You don't fund a localized infrastructure improvement with state-wide consumption taxes: "Spokane is not paying for your stupid loving monorail." -Washington State Legislature edit: RuanGacho posted:They, the public passed it, the state then failed to give the local governments the share of the taxes they previously got under the law. The public initiative is pretty much whatiswrongwiththecurrenttaxsystem.txt Because none of the taxes are funding services, and the public feels entitled (rightly I think) to services that help make their lives and and business easier. The point being is that the law that was passed was built for the state to hold all fees and powers involved, and to involve local municipalities as little as possible. It was a Bad Law (on a local civic level) from birth. Gerund fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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Jan 8, 2015 01:10
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Gerund posted:You don't fund a localized infrastructure improvement with state-wide consumption taxes: "Spokane is not paying for your stupid loving monorail." -Washington State Legislature  I just want to express to people that while local governments are fully able to be scummy and corrupt it doesn't hold a candle to the systematic damage a state level government can do, which is probably why anti government types like to capture it the most, it allows the most damage while hiding their own malfeasance from the federal government they try to de-fang. I just want to build transportation and infrastructure for my fellow citizens damnit 
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Jan 8, 2015 02:04
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Just kill a member of the state legislature every day until they institute an income tax to pay for schools, etc.
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Jan 8, 2015 06:29
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effectual posted:Just kill a member of the state legislature every day until they institute an income tax to pay for schools, etc. Uh.
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Jan 8, 2015 18:22
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Seems like WA State's infrastructure projects are going towards tolling to pay for them. The 2nd Narrows bridge, 167 hot lanes, and the 520 floating bridge are all doing that. Tolling - the ultimate libertarian form of taxation. Want to use our roads? Better pay for 'em 
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Jan 8, 2015 19:02
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seiferguy posted:Seems like WA State's infrastructure projects are going towards tolling to pay for them. The 2nd Narrows bridge, 167 hot lanes, and the 520 floating bridge are all doing that. Tolling - the ultimate libertarian form of taxation. Want to use our roads? Better pay for 'em Followed by the Libertarian response from the people: gently caress you, we'll go somewhere else. Followed by the end-state of all things Libertarian: abject failure and accelerated entropy
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Jan 8, 2015 20:02
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If the 594 protestors can get away with saying that on the steps of the capital I think we can get away with it on an Internet comedy forum.
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Jan 8, 2015 20:49
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Hedera Helix posted:Oh, if Washington does end up increasing the gas tax, can Oregon follow suit? It could be used to fund transit expansion, which we kind of need at the moment. Most of Tri-Met's revenue comes from payroll taxes and passenger fares. I'm not sure if Tri-Met has the power to levy gas taxes. I'm pretty sure the State of Oregon would want any increase in gas tax revenues to go to ODOT and road/bridge repairs. If you're talking about a non-Trimet transit system, Oregon municipalities have the power to collect their own gas taxes.
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Jan 8, 2015 21:06
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:If you're talking about a non-Trimet transit system, Oregon municipalities have the power to collect their own gas taxes. Something I should know, but don't: How many of Oregon's transit systems are municipal services, as opposed to special districts? Salem-Keizer Transit and Lane Transit appear to be independent districts.
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Jan 8, 2015 21:13
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm pretty sure the State of Oregon would want any increase in gas tax revenues to go to ODOT and road/bridge repairs. Eh, there's a lot of repairs that need doing.
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Jan 8, 2015 21:15
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Error 404 posted:Followed by the Libertarian response from the people: gently caress you, we'll go somewhere else. I fear what's going to happen when the Silicon Valley libertarian elite realize how much nicer it is for them up in the PNW.
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I know the common refrain around here is "Oregonians want to keep out the colored folk" but every time I've heard of wanting to keep Californians out I've always imagined it being insufferable white people.
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Jan 8, 2015 21:43
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I'm fine with Californians, just keep the Peter Thiels and such down there. Sadly, they all want to cash in on legal marijuana and will probably be here anyways: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2015/01/08/the-vcs-and-privateer-betting-on-pot/ Reminder, this is the guy that is taking steroids because he thinks he will live to be 120 years old and wanted to build a Libertarian utopia/playground at sea.
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Jan 8, 2015 21:50
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Yeah, I'm actually okay with Californians too, because insufferable white people come from everywhere.
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Jan 8, 2015 21:57
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Yeah, most of the "migrants" to Portland seem people bitch about seem to be upper middle class mostly white people, a higher degree seem to be coming from back east. Portland and Oregon is growing slowly more diverse but it is from Latinos who have moved, but seem sort of ignored in comparison. At least Oregon has a income tax.
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Jan 8, 2015 22:14
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I know the common refrain around here is "Oregonians want to keep out the colored folk" but every time I've heard of wanting to keep Californians out I've always imagined it being insufferable white people. Because you either need money or a guaranteed job to move to Oregon.
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Jan 8, 2015 23:00
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With Washington's absurdly regressive tax structure and Seattle's rapid population growth largely from tech companies, we seem poised to become the libertarian capital of the country, sometime in the next decade. I'm terrified.
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Ditocoaf posted:With Washington's absurdly regressive tax structure and Seattle's rapid population growth largely from tech companies, we seem poised to become the libertarian capital of the country, sometime in the next decade. I'm terrified. Bellevue will be a glorious, gleaming beacon of libertarian ideals. I can't wait until they build giant glittering skyscrapers with names like Fountainhead or Rand Plaza.
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Jan 8, 2015 23:11
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mod sassinator posted:Bellevue will be a glorious, gleaming beacon of libertarian ideals. I can't wait until they build giant glittering skyscrapers with names like Fountainhead or Rand Plaza. Glittering skyscrapers connected by dirt roads and slums, truly the definition of libertarian utopia.
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Jan 8, 2015 23:58
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CNN Money tries to answer the question everybody's asking: Why is everybody moving to Oregon?
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Kaal posted:Glittering skyscrapers connected by dirt roads and slums, truly the definition of libertarian utopia. Dubai??
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Kaal posted:Glittering skyscrapers connected by dirt roads and slums, truly the definition of libertarian utopia. The dirt roads are for the poors / middle class. The true captains of industry will be transported by an elevated monorail system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIOA6ExOq6c (that is a real video made by Microsoft with real ideas they had!)
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Error 404 posted:Followed by the Libertarian response from the people: gently caress you, we'll go somewhere else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRiy0_PqYx4
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Jan 9, 2015 01:57
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Boy, imagine if lots of tech people worked in the Seattle area. It really would change everything. I bet it would become a libertarian paradise, just like San Fransisco.
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Jan 9, 2015 02:40
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Jan 9, 2015 02:47
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Gerund posted:You don't fund a localized infrastructure improvement with state-wide consumption taxes: "Spokane is not paying for your stupid loving monorail." -Washington State Legislature If you give it to Seattle, they just throw it down a big hole anyway. A millionaire's tax needs another go around. Eastern WA win's the most in this scenario, just need to convince them of such. Self interest should trump group-think, right?
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mod sassinator posted:The dirt roads are for the poors / middle class. The true captains of industry will be transported by an elevated monorail system: I actually personally know the people who are responsible for that video and it was more about pushing the idea of a PRT testbed than anything to do with Microsoft decadence, (other than they could afford it).
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The idea of a peoplemover isn't really a new thing, though. Wasn't it something of a staple in 60's sci-fi? Even Walt Disney wanted to set one up throughout the original EPCOT (the planned community, not the theme park). It's not terribly practical in real life, but I like the idea of a public version in the future. It could really only ever work in a congested area like a downtown section of the city, though, unless it was private and set up for something like a campus. I guess the upkeep on that many smaller vehicles could be pretty nightmarish.
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Morgantown, WV, has the oldest and largest Personal Rapid Transit system in existence, having opened in 1975, and has a grand total of five stops. It serves the university there and nothing else. When it had an extension, they had to shut down the entire line. Perhaps making that system more useful to the general population would be a better use of money than building an entirely new, certain to be undersized and overbudget system up here? edit: also, hopefully the actual Microsoft campus has more sidewalks than the one in the video... Hedera Helix fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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glowing-fish posted:Something I should know, but don't: Those two and Tri-met have special taxing districts, i believe.
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Hedera Helix posted:edit: also, hopefully the actual Microsoft campus has more sidewalks than the one in the video... It does. I work there, and I walk everywhere. Although campus-wide PRT would significantly reduce the number of times I almost get killed crossing the street.
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tk posted:It does. I work there, and I walk everywhere. Although campus-wide PRT would significantly reduce the number of times I almost get killed crossing the street. Yeah the video was made almost a decade ago now, so no small surprise.
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mod sassinator posted:Bellevue will be a glorious, gleaming beacon of libertarian ideals. I can't wait until they build giant glittering skyscrapers with names like Fountainhead or Rand Plaza. Would a condo in one of these buildings charge association dues?
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oxbrain posted:If the 594 protestors can get away with saying that on the steps of the capital I think we can get away with it on an Internet comedy forum. I don't think it's really about being able to "get away with it" rather than it is a dumb thing to say. The comedy defense falls flat because it's not even that funny.
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oxbrain posted:Would a condo in one of these buildings charge association dues? Oh certainly. It's not that Libertarians actually dislike collective works - they just hate not being allowed to arbitrarily eject people from them. They want to privatize government so that they can be in control of it.
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Kaal posted:Oh certainly. It's not that Libertarians actually dislike collective works - they just hate not being allowed to arbitrarily eject people from them. They want to privatize government so that they can be in control of it. I feel describing libertarian collective action "arbitrarily" stretches the term. "Xenophobically" or even "racially" hits the mark far more often than not.
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Kaal posted:They want to privatize government so that they can fantasize about being in control of it.
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Also heres a pretty map interlude.
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FRINGE posted:Also heres a pretty map interlude. Cascadia cascades. 
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