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Mr. Wiggles posted:In the end, though, when we all make it to paradise, we can ask Him. Hey God told me you have to give me 10% of your money or you're going to hell. Don't question God, just do it and ask Him about it when you get to Paradise.
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Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return. Psalm 103:14 for he knows how we are formed, he remembers that we are dust. Ecclesiastes 3:19-21 19For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. 20All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust. 21Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth?…
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Jan 8, 2015 23:20
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CommieGIR posted:No offense, but this is really annoying. There's no reason to believe that paradise even exists, good for you for believing in it, but why should I? You don't have to? quote:Its kinda like people who say 'He's in a better place' when talking about children that die from preventable diseases or abuse or elderly people who die from terminal diseases that they were basically forced to suffer through. A lot of wishful thinking. No reason to accept it as true outside of holding it as a standard of your faith. Even if there is no after-life, the dead can still be considered to be at peace, since they no longer suffer, so the sentiment of "they're in a better place" still works!
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Black Bones posted:Even if there is no after-life, the dead can still be considered to be at peace, since they no longer suffer, so the sentiment of "they're in a better place" still works! That would appear to violate the "place" clause of the better place platitude.
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Jan 8, 2015 23:22
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Al Harrington posted:Genesis 3:19  Old Testament (just to preempt people who will make this point)
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Jan 8, 2015 23:25
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Black Bones posted:You don't have to? Considering the entire context of what he said, I kinda do. Black Bones posted:Even if there is no after-life, the dead can still be considered to be at peace, since they no longer suffer, so the sentiment of "they're in a better place" still works! If your intent was dark sarcasm, yeah it does.
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Jan 8, 2015 23:29
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*puts corpse into fancy box and drops it into the dirt* He's in a better place now
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Jan 8, 2015 23:33
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Al Harrington posted:*puts corpse into fancy box and drops it into the dirt* He's in a better place now Mr. Fluffy! 
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Jan 8, 2015 23:43
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OwlFancier posted:That would appear to violate the "place" clause of the better place platitude. Not "place" as a geographic or temporal location, but more as a state of being. Al Harrington posted:*puts corpse into fancy box and drops it into the dirt* He's in a better place now Well yeah? You don't want to just leave him lying around do you? That'd be disrespectful and gross. That's why graves are also known as "resting places" - you get to relax and chill out until summoned to fight in Armageddon 
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Jan 8, 2015 23:50
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Black Bones posted:you get to relax and chill out until summoned to fight in Armageddon skeleton warriors?! hell yes
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Jan 8, 2015 23:56
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Holy poo poo this thread is still going on? What the gently caress is there even left to discuss?
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Knifegrab posted:Holy poo poo this thread is still going on? What the gently caress is there even left to discuss? Edit: Whoops wrong thread Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Jan 9, 2015 01:32
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Knifegrab posted:Holy poo poo this thread is still going on? What the gently caress is there even left to discuss? The trick is to just wear everyone out and that way you get to talk about whatever with no blowback. BrandorKP posted:I don't think there a deficiency. There's a part a me that suspects that somebody religious really hurt you some how. You are literally made to be a Scientologist.
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Jan 9, 2015 01:40
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I worship Sol because Mary's cooch was made of star stuff.
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Knifegrab posted:Holy poo poo this thread is still going on? What the gently caress is there even left to discuss? I think at this point we're just waiting for CowOnCrack to say more things. Kyrie and Brandor have kind of worn out their schtick.
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:I think at this point we're just waiting for CowOnCrack to say more things. Kyrie and Brandor have kind of worn out their schtick. I wouldn't expect too many updates from CowOnCrack. The WiFi in prison isn't the greatest and the Warden is a real dick about giving out the password.
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Jan 9, 2015 02:19
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Wait, we can just talk about whatever now? Kyrie, I have a free month of Crunchyroll. Realtalk what should I watch?
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Jan 9, 2015 02:24
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The only anime that isn't garbage is DBZ so you should watch that.
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Jan 9, 2015 02:31
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Black Bones posted:Even if there is no after-life, the dead can still be considered to be at peace, since they no longer suffer, so the sentiment of "they're in a better place" still works!
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CommieGIR posted:No offense, but this is really annoying. There's no reason to believe that paradise even exists, good for you for believing in it, but why should I? Why are you so mad he answered a question about the doctrine of a religion by referencing said doctrine?
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Jan 9, 2015 02:39
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Who What Now posted:The only anime that isn't garbage is DBZ so you should watch that. I can't think of a simpler, nor more correct answer than this.
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Jan 9, 2015 02:50
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Mr. Wiggles posted:So, the idea is that Mary was indeed a regular human just like you and I. More than that, though, she was born free from original sin so that she could be the perfect vessel from which Christ would be born - and it was through Christ that this Free Pass is given. The quote from the CCC is "The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin." The church further holds that, indeed, Mary was free from sin for her entire life through this same grace.  ):fade5 posted:There's also stuff like Mary being a virgin for her entire life (not just prior to Jesus being born) that I also disagree with. Kyrie (and the Catholic Church in general) hold with this belief, but I think it's incorrect, especially since Jesus had brothers and sisters. So when someone points out that Mary being a perma-virgin is contradicted by Scripture, I don't twist myself into knots trying to defend it, I just agree that it makes more sense that Mary had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born, and that's where Jesus's siblings came from. Same question also applies to Transubstantiation, which has the amazing ability to make me more confused the more I read about it.
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Jan 9, 2015 02:51
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her hymen grew back after every child/those were all Joseph's children from a previous mother
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Badger of Basra posted:Why are you so mad he answered a question about the doctrine of a religion by referencing said doctrine? The only part I was discussing was the 'We'll ask him in paradise' part which really isn't part of the doctrine.
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I'm a christian but I am also what many people believe is a heretic. For instance, I believe in universal salvation, that hell is real but not some other plane of existence but rather a place we create for ourselves and others when we act like jerks and heaven is a thing we build for the whole world when we act Christ like. There is an afterlife and salvation for everyone. I also believe that it is possible that Jesus was not a man that existed in the holy land on 1 AD born on Dec 25th but was rather an idea that has always been with us in some form and his sacrifice and ideals are something we are meant to model whether he is real or not. I believe that the Lord taylors his message for the needs of different cultures and many of these other beliefs are merely reflections of him and we all have a bit of divinity within us. Its a belief that tends make me unpopular
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Black Bones posted:Not "place" as a geographic or temporal location, but more as a state of being. A non-state of non-being where the concept of 'he' no longer exists.
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Jan 9, 2015 03:22
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Yeah well I believe in a thing called love, just listen to the rhythm of my heart.
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Mandy Thompson posted:I'm a christian but I am also what many people believe is a heretic. For instance, I believe in universal salvation, that hell is real but not some other plane of existence but rather a place we create for ourselves and others when we act like jerks and heaven is a thing we build for the whole world when we act Christ like. There is an afterlife and salvation for everyone. I also believe that it is possible that Jesus was not a man that existed in the holy land on 1 AD born on Dec 25th but was rather an idea that has always been with us in some form and his sacrifice and ideals are something we are meant to model whether he is real or not. I believe that the Lord taylors his message for the needs of different cultures and many of these other beliefs are merely reflections of him and we all have a bit of divinity within us. Its a belief that tends make me unpopular You could have just said you were UU and saved everyone some time.
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Mandy Thompson posted:I'm a christian but I am also what many people believe is a heretic. Well that's manifestly true just by being a Christian. Just saying.
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the messiah was supposed to be named Immanuel and the apologetics are quite amusing as to why Jesus is alright instead
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Al Harrington posted:the messiah was supposed to be named Immanuel but the apologetics are quite amusing as to why Jesus is alright Well he ain't named Jesus either, and he certainly ain't named Christ.
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I believe that Jesus was a magical gnome and that the Last Supper was actually mimosas and breakfast burritos and that his main teaching was that everybody needs somebody to love, someone to love.
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I thought he was called Joshua?Kyrie eleison posted:I believe that Jesus was a magical gnome and that the Last Supper was actually mimosas and breakfast burritos and that his main teaching was that everybody needs somebody to love, someone to love. It's also still being a dick if you do it sarcastically. God is doing a poor job of making you nice.
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Kyrie eleison posted:I believe that Jesus was a magical gnome and that the Last Supper was actually mimosas and breakfast burritos and that his main teaching was that everybody needs somebody to love, someone to love. I hope this is serious because it sounds way better than the religion you normally post about.
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OwlFancier posted:I thought he was called Joshua? Yeshua, which is also Joshua nowadays. Josh, the son of god.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yeshua, which is also Joshua nowadays. where did the Jesus name come about then?
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yeshua, which is also Joshua nowadays. That's the one, I know it was a traditional Hebrew name that got changed, presumably to sound less Jewish. Al Harrington posted:where did the Jesus name come about then? Garbled transliteration/people not wanting to the messiah to sound like one of those dirty Jewish christ murderers, presumably.
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Jan 9, 2015 03:38
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Al Harrington posted:where did the Jesus name come about then?
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Al Harrington posted:where did the Jesus name come about then? The early Greek editions of the bible transliterated the name Yeshua as Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) and then the Latin translations made that into IESVS aka Jesus using modern letters. OwlFancier posted:That's the one, I know it was a traditional Hebrew name that got changed, presumably to sound less Jewish. Oh it's not to sound less Jewish, it's just how the name changed over the next few thousand years. Sound shifts and all that.
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Emmanuel is a title  meaning "God with us."Yeshua means "The Lord is salvation" so it is fitting.
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