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This thread is for discussing Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Incarnation, the Son of Man, the Word, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, the Lord, the Light of the World, the Resurrection, the King of the Jews, the Messiah, the Savior, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Just to get it out of the way right now, I am posting this completely without irony. I literally believe in Jesus Christ with every fiber of my being, and there is nothing I enjoy more than talking about him. I do not in any way envy the lives of those who live without Christ; I have done my time without him, and I will never go back to that. I go to church, and so should you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap7GXu2KOmQ The reason Christ matters more than anything else, and is in fact the only thing that matters, is that he is the only hope for your salvation. Any attempt to save yourself which involves ignoring or bypassing or otherwise denying Christ is going to fail, and is in truth the work of the Devil, designed to condemn men's souls to the eternal fires of Hell. Behold the truth: That only God, who created the world, and has seen every life and knows every thought, can absolve you of your sins. Only his ineffable wisdom, his stern judgment, and his infinite mercy, can bring you from the brink of self-destruction, and help you to achieve your true self. Now I expect an onslaught of people not taking this seriously, to them I say: our calendar is dated from the birth of Christ. The greatest civilization on Earth was born out of Christ. There is no issue more important or more worth discussing than the true nature of Jesus Christ. You have to take him seriously. You don't have a choice. As a student of official Catholic teaching, the only orthodox interpretation, and as someone who has read the entire Bible, I will be happy to address any of your questions about Christ insofar as I believe you are asking in good faith or that your opinion might be convincing to bystanders. I expect a lot of responses so please be patient with me. Now, ask and ye shall receive. e: The man took down my song, so here's a suitable replacement. Kyrie eleison fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Dec 19, 2014 |
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Is it true that "Personal Jesus" is the official Catholic theme song?
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Nov 16, 2014 17:33
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Can rich people go to heaven?
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Nov 16, 2014 17:36
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Jesus' inability to magic himself a machine gun and conquer the world with god powers is pretty much the reason why a lot of people don't take him seriously. You are literally the son of god and you go and let yourself get killed, lol what a chump.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:37
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Why did people think it was a good idea to build a religion around a carpenter who got killed by a piece of wood?
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Nov 16, 2014 17:38
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Kyrie eleison posted:The reason Christ matters more than anything else, and is in fact the only thing that matters, is that he is the only hope for your salvation. Any attempt to save yourself which involves ignoring or bypassing or otherwise denying Christ is going to fail, and is in truth the work of the Devil, designed to condemn men's souls to the eternal fires of Hell. If God appeared to you, and you were utterly convinced it was Him or one of His messengers (it really is Him, not the Devil, not mental illness, not drug induced hallucination), and asked you to kill a child, would you? He has form, after all.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:38
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Bertrand Russell posted:The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts. Zeno-25 fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Nov 16, 2014 17:41
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It's best to invoke his name after your team gets their poo poo pushed in in CoD or IRL
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Nov 16, 2014 17:41
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Are you part of the ley people? If so, how do your reconcile your current behavior with Matthew 6?
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Nov 16, 2014 17:45
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Kyrie eleison posted:This thread is for discussing Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Incarnation, the Son of Man, the Word, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, the Lord, the Light of the World, the Resurrection, the King of the Jews, the Messiah, the Savior, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. I don't think you really believe in Jesus Christ. Oh sure, you believe in songs and feeling nice. But when it comes to the hard stuff Jesus told us to do, he seems to have few followers.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:46
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Kyrie eleison posted:Now I expect an onslaught of people not taking this seriously, to them I say: our calendar is dated from the birth of Christ. No it's not. Kyrie eleison posted:The greatest civilization on Earth was born out of Christ. No it's not. Kyrie eleison posted:There is no issue more important or more worth discussing than the true nature of Jesus Christ. Yes there is. Kyrie eleison posted:You have to take him seriously. No I don't. Kyrie eleison posted:You don't have a choice. Yes I do.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:47
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The fact that there are Christians who haven't read the drat Bible yet use it to harm others, who haven't been called out in mass as fake Christians by the people who actually do follow the Bible, and that their God has not come down from the heavens to reprimand them indicates to me that either that God does not exist or is an rear end in a top hat. I don't worship assholes.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:53
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For real though why did Jesus wither the fig tree. Dumbass should have known that figs were out of season.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:53
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AShamefulDisplay posted:For real though why did Jesus wither the fig tree. Dumbass should have known that figs were out of season. He was fully a man in addition to being fully God. You're telling me you've never been cranky-hungry? Take the beam from thine own eye.
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Nov 16, 2014 17:59
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Jesus and what he taught is mostly cool. The religion that was built around him isn't.
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Nov 16, 2014 18:29
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Kyrie eleison posted:The reason Christ matters more than anything else, and is in fact the only thing that matters, is that he is the only hope for your salvation. Any attempt to save yourself which involves ignoring or bypassing or otherwise denying Christ is going to fail, and is in truth the work of the Devil, designed to condemn men's souls to the eternal fires of Hell. Oh god, its you again. So I have a question about the above. Why should I worship a god who arbitrarily condemns large swaths of humanity to eternal damnation, pain and suffering largely on the basis of chance. Because lets be honest, if god exists and you only avoid hell by worshiping him properly, then god is punishing people on the basis of the uterine lottery. The typical example of this is the tibetan goat herder who lives high in the mountains. He spends his entire life living what even Jesus would consider to be a humble existence considerate of others, then at the age of thirty he falls off a cliff and dies without ever having heard the name of Christ and thus not accepting him as his savior, maybe he worships buddah. Does he go to hell for not being baptized? If he does, why should I worship a god that is, quite frankly, malevolent at best? If you argue that "Well he didn't hear of Jesus but knew him in his heart... blah blah blah" then how about muslims? There are approximately 1.6 Billion muslims the world over, and just as with Christianity, the single biggest indicator of whether someone will be religious in their life, is whether or not they are born into a religious culture. If you are born as a muslim in many parts of the world you are unlikely to have many encounters with christianity, you will have been told it is a false religion and the might very well end up suffering greatly if you actually do convert. By contrast, someone born in the southern american states will often be expected by their family to adopt their religion, they'll be put into schools that drill the 'correct' dogma and so forth. So why should I worship a god that condemns 1.6 Billion humans to the eternal fires of hell based solely on the accident of their birth. I was born into a family that was virulently anti-religion, and I've never taken to church at all. Did god just hate me in advance and that is why he put me into this family? I'm supposed to worship a creator that appears to hate me and those who are like me from before I was even born. That is pretty hosed up.
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Nov 16, 2014 18:34
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Why can't God himself be bothered to respond in this thread? For an omnipotent being, it feels like such a minor inconvenience. I'm dead serious here, why do you expect anyone to believe in a being who won't bother to make himself directly known to the world from time to time? I'm not that impressed with weeping statutes and marks on grilled cheese sandwiches.
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Nov 16, 2014 18:38
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Caros posted:Oh god, its you again. I think the most practical soul-lution is to Kill God using the powers of techology and then create our own kind and benevolent God with a giant robotic shell so God can enact righteousness on this earth while still having plausible fallibility "God can't be everywhere at once you know!" Maybe we can give God a more culturally relevant name too like Love or Market Forces, depending on if it is an election year.
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Nov 16, 2014 18:45
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Hey guys, I think the OP, whom I never met in my life before, is making a very good point. This guy is unto something here! I recommend we all listen him.
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Nov 16, 2014 18:50
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My favorite song about Jesus is "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead" by XTC. Why is better than literally the entire Christian rock genre? Discuss. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYupSHWEJxA
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Nov 16, 2014 18:54
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What does God need with a starship? More seriously, why does God demand my praise? Me praising an omnipotent being is beyond comparison to anything else, but is similar to a nematode being impressed by me. Wow, it's neat that you can talk and drive a car and think about god, it might say, good job! So what? Also, the problem of evil has never been answered with more than handwaving. God is not good or not omnipotent. Pick one.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:02
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNvzc-ZdME
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Nov 16, 2014 19:04
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CheesyDog posted:My favorite song about Jesus is "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead" by XTC. Why is better than literally the entire Christian rock genre? Discuss. The only good song about Jesus is "Jesus Christ" by Woody Guthrie.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:05
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ground goddamn floor
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Nov 16, 2014 19:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSfa56tjBQo
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Nov 16, 2014 19:07
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John Calvin was right about almost everything except there probably is no hell
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Nov 16, 2014 19:09
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ThirdPartyView posted:The only good song about Jesus is "Jesus Christ" by Woody Guthrie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhkHG-oKCEU
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Nov 16, 2014 19:11
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Total depravity Unconditional election Limited atonement Irresistible grace Perseverance of the saints
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Nov 16, 2014 19:13
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Christianity is a heretical movement which rejects Judaic jurism in order to incorporate pagan mythology and spread to a wider population base. Roman and Russian orthodox christianity is, bluntly, paganistic in its practices, especially when it comes to the worship of a single human as a divine being.  You use a pagan's calendar and reject the appropriate calendar.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:14
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Kyrie eleison posted:
Using a calendar as justification and "proof" of your beliefs is a new one, I'll give you that.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:14
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Watch this one neat trick God doesn't want you to know! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCyToT8jiJ4
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Nov 16, 2014 19:17
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Celot posted:Can rich people go to heaven? Yes, so long as they are not consumed by avarice (or any other mortal sin), and give of their abundance to their fellow man. Panzeh posted:Jesus' inability to magic himself a machine gun and conquer the world with god powers is pretty much the reason why a lot of people don't take him seriously. You are literally the son of god and you go and let yourself get killed, lol what a chump. Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert, that if Jesus should worship the devil, the devil would grant him all of the kingdoms on Earth. Jesus refused, quoting scripture, "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." In another passage, Jesus says, "My kingdom is not of this world." Paul says that it is Satan who is "god of this world," and although the world is viewed as inherently good by Christians (due to being created by God), it is essentially a testing ground for souls, so that they may be judged in the hereafter, and the devil is allowed to accuse us and mock us for now, until the Second Coming. HortonNash posted:If God appeared to you, and you were utterly convinced it was Him or one of His messengers (it really is Him, not the Devil, not mental illness, not drug induced hallucination), and asked you to kill a child, would you? Yes, like Abraham, out of obedience to God, and trusting in his Will; and like with Abraham, God would never require evil from me, only the evidence that my loyalty is so great that I would be willing to commit evil for His sake. RuanGacho posted:Are you part of the ley people? This chapter teaches that one should not boast about his righteous deeds, lest he lose his heavenly reward for them. But Mark 16:15 says, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." AShamefulDisplay posted:For real though why did Jesus wither the fig tree. Dumbass should have known that figs were out of season. This is a direct reference to Jeremiah 8:13, in which Jeremiah uses the fig tree as symbolism referring to the lineage of the Israelites, in his prediction of their impending destruction due to their unfaithfulness. Jesus makes the same judgment here, predicting the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, similar to how he predicts the destruction of the Temple, and the coming of the Lord within a generation. Caros posted:So I have a question about the above. Why should I worship a god who arbitrarily condemns large swaths of humanity to eternal damnation, pain and suffering largely on the basis of chance. Because lets be honest, if god exists and you only avoid hell by worshiping him properly, then god is punishing people on the basis of the uterine lottery. Christ, in the fullness of his wisdom, will treat all people fairly and justly in the final judgment. God is fully aware of relative circumstance, and may judge a loyal believer more harshly for a small crime, whereas a great sinner may be loved for his small good works. Those who know of Christ, but spread evil lies about him, such as denying his crucifixion, insult him; but perhaps in his mercy he might forgive them, as he forgave his killers on the cross, saying, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." I believe it is wisest that those who know of Christ be baptized and live Christian lives rather than simply hope for mercy, which abuses God's good will, and may be viewed by him as undeserving of forgiveness. Personally, I am concerned about the safekeeping of my soul. Solkanar512 posted:Why can't God himself be bothered to respond in this thread? For an omnipotent being, it feels like such a minor inconvenience. God is here, in this very thread, in the form of the Holy Spirit.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:21
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Remind me Kyrie, do you believe in literal demons and witchcraft, or am I confusing you with another zealot?
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Nov 16, 2014 19:24
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Remind me Kyrie, do you believe in literal demons and witchcraft, or am I confusing you with another zealot? Wasn't Darkwater like that? Maybe Victor too?
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Nov 16, 2014 19:25
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Kyrie eleison posted:God is here, in this very thread, in the form of the Holy Spirit. How can you reconcile 'Holy Spirit' with the 2nd and 3rd commandments?
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Nov 16, 2014 19:25
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ThirdPartyView posted:Is it true that "Personal Jesus" is the official Catholic theme song? No, you're thinking of the song "Plastic Jesus." Kyrie eleison posted:
If the only thing that matters is Jesus Christ, why does the Catholic church spend so much effort on the veneration of Mary and the various church saints? Don't things like this distract from the pure worship of the Lord? Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Nov 16, 2014 19:27
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Kyrie eleison posted:God is here, in this very thread, in the form of the Holy Spirit. You figure god wouldn't want to associate with devices perfected by a gay guy. You are making a lot of claims with no backing evidence. Oh, wait, faith, I forgot. You're religion is the 'One True Religion'TM ThirdPartyView posted:Wasn't Darkwater like that? Maybe Victor too? Victor, oh god I remember him. Went on and on and on...
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Nov 16, 2014 19:27
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ThirdPartyView posted:Wasn't Darkwater like that? Maybe Victor too? They both did, but I forget whether Kyrie was of the same ilk or not. Hieronymous Alloy posted:No, you're thinking of the song "Plastic Jesus." "Leper Messiah."
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Nov 16, 2014 19:27
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Remind me Kyrie, do you believe in literal demons and witchcraft, or am I confusing you with another zealot? He has to if he's a Catholic. Although we've already established in previous threads that he's a heretic.
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Nov 16, 2014 19:28
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C'mon guys rehashing philosophical arguments while getting his persecution complex stroked is why he made this thread and why do that and get 30 pages of predictable "he said this thing lol" when there is more fun posting your favorite Jesus songs. Example featuring Miley Cyrus's new boyfriend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T9SbUfCB7A
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