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Wittgen posted:Me too. But since slitting your throat is really hard and Moonshadow kills with a knife, it kind of makes sense if she did it. I think Mary wants to see if Alison paid enough attention to her to figure out that she's the killer.
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I think it's possible that the serial murderer is not acting on particularly rational motives.
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Jan 9, 2015 15:55
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Glazius posted:Is this Moonshadow? I don't know if she's operating under her 'has to be asked" protocol or if a news broadcast is enough asking for her these days. I'm thinking the "has to be asked" protocol may be a mistaken assumption. Maybe she just wanted to judge in person whether the girl was telling the truth, since it appeared that the case was basically a "she said/they said" scenario with no hard evidence. There was evidently evidence of the soldiers' misdeeds that Moonshadow's sources were able to dig up, and if she's really behind the Miles' murder, it could suggest that she trusts Allison's judgment enough to act after seeing Allison voice her suspicion of the daterape-in-progress on youtube (though it might also just have caused her to research him more indepth, leading to other evidence that she acted on).
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Jan 9, 2015 16:18
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Hell, Moonshadow might just want to see Allison take some heat and feel the burn. And she also gets to kill a guy, which is well-established as something she's big on. Remember, there's bad blood between them even if Allison only recently heard about it.
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Jan 9, 2015 16:44
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Slashrat posted:I'm thinking the "has to be asked" protocol may be a mistaken assumption. Maybe she just wanted to judge in person whether the girl was telling the truth, since it appeared that the case was basically a "she said/they said" scenario with no hard evidence. There was evidently evidence of the soldiers' misdeeds that Moonshadow's sources were able to dig up, and if she's really behind the Miles' murder, it could suggest that she trusts Allison's judgment enough to act after seeing Allison voice her suspicion of the daterape-in-progress on youtube (though it might also just have caused her to research him more indepth, leading to other evidence that she acted on). I don't think she ever had to be asked, she was just trying to give the other girl some therapy. She enjoys killing enough to drop the theatrics when it suits her. Or the writer(s) realized how awkward it would be to have her have to track down her victims' victims all the time, and are just hoping that aspect fades away.
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Jan 9, 2015 17:00
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I don't think Moonshadow had to be asked. She just had to be sure that the people were "guilty".
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Jan 9, 2015 17:28
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Anyone else wondering if this is Moonshadow baiting Alison in? She could easily be hiding in the room with her ludicrously sharp knife.
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Jan 9, 2015 19:02
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Slashrat posted:I'm thinking the "has to be asked" protocol may be a mistaken assumption. Maybe she just wanted to judge in person whether the girl was telling the truth, since it appeared that the case was basically a "she said/they said" scenario with no hard evidence. There was evidently evidence of the soldiers' misdeeds that Moonshadow's sources were able to dig up, and if she's really behind the Miles' murder, it could suggest that she trusts Allison's judgment enough to act after seeing Allison voice her suspicion of the daterape-in-progress on youtube (though it might also just have caused her to research him more indepth, leading to other evidence that she acted on).
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Jan 9, 2015 21:25
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thespaceinvader posted:Anyone else wondering if this is Moonshadow baiting Alison in? She could easily be hiding in the room with her ludicrously sharp knife. Unless the ludicrously sharp knife is made of Cleaver's cancer, I think Alison is safe. On the other hand, this is pretty much the textbook definition of bad press.
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Jan 9, 2015 21:32
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We never saw Private Bernal ask her to kill the soldiers, so it may not actually be a requirement. (Or it may just be that it happened off-screen.)
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Jan 9, 2015 21:44
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She didn't say she needed Kaylee to ask her to kill them. Moonshadow actually ignored her when she told her to kill them. She said she needed to hear their names in her voice, and that it had to be the truth. It's the truth she seems to be interested in, perhaps not the specific action of having the victim ask her personally to do it (although we may yet find that that happened in the other cases too).
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Jan 9, 2015 23:10
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Is there really a difference between explicitly asking for someone to be killed and just giving their name in this situation? Because that would mean that killing was not the only option for Moonshadow to pursue and that hasn't been the case the entire chapter.
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Jan 9, 2015 23:41
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Just asking, but have we seen any evidence of moonshadow's knife being anything other than... a normal knife? Like, an ornate one, ok. But everyone keeps saying it's "super sharp", and I don't think I remember any scenes of her hacking apart steel beams or stabbing through bulletproof glass with it or anything. She just slits people's throats, or stabs them.
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Jan 9, 2015 23:48
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Asking/Pact/Contract is clearly not a requirement, if it ever was.
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Jan 9, 2015 23:57
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Brought To You By posted:Is there really a difference between explicitly asking for someone to be killed and just giving their name in this situation? Because that would mean that killing was not the only option for Moonshadow to pursue and that hasn't been the case the entire chapter. There's not a difference in terms of the ultimate effect, but there is in terms of literally what's required for her to act, which would mean that she might be totally happy murdering Miles in his dorm room if she was satisfied she already had the truth of the situation. I wonder if this fixation on the truth is because she feels lied to or (which I consider more likely), because nobody believed her at one point when she tried to tell the truth? Captain Bravo posted:Just asking, but have we seen any evidence of moonshadow's knife being anything other than... a normal knife? Like, an ornate one, ok. But everyone keeps saying it's "super sharp", and I don't think I remember any scenes of her hacking apart steel beams or stabbing through bulletproof glass with it or anything. She just slits people's throats, or stabs them. It seems to be a extremely efficient at cutting through human flesh and it's obviously a little abnormal. (Some folks had pointed out that it looks like a ceramic knife, although it might be made of more unusual materials.) That's all, though. I'd be pretty surprised if it could actually cut Alison. I don't think the threat from Moonshadow against her is physical.
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Jackard posted:Asking/Pact/Contract is clearly not a requirement, if it ever was. Well... I wonder what the odds are of drunk girl putting the hit on Miles? Her roommates did say she makes bad decisions...
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Jan 10, 2015 01:23
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Dude that's really farfetched given everything we've seen
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idonotlikepeas posted:There's not a difference in terms of the ultimate effect, but there is in terms of literally what's required for her to act, which would mean that she might be totally happy murdering Miles in his dorm room if she was satisfied she already had the truth of the situation. I wonder if this fixation on the truth is because she feels lied to or (which I consider more likely), because nobody believed her at one point when she tried to tell the truth? If Moonshadow is nursing a grudge (as opposed to being more frustrated with--ahahahaha, of course she's nursing a grudge, she's a goddamn slasher), smart play is to start trying to pin murders on Alison. The media drinks it up like minors at a kegger, and she's got the perfect decoy. Alison Green, Mega Girl and known violent leftist, takes to vigilantism. It's not-Fox News' wet dream.
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Jan 10, 2015 01:44
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Captain Bravo posted:Well... I wonder what the odds are of drunk girl putting the hit on Miles? Her roommates did say she makes bad decisions...
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Warmachine posted:Unless the ludicrously sharp knife is made of Cleaver's cancer, I think Alison is safe. On the other hand, this is pretty much the textbook definition of bad press. There've been quite a few people hypothesising that it is, but with little evidence other than 'well, it seems REALLY sharp and it's not metal coloured'. Seems unlikely that pinning it on Alison would really work. If nothing else, throat-slitting isn't really her style...
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Warmachine posted:If Moonshadow is nursing a grudge (as opposed to being more frustrated with--ahahahaha, of course she's nursing a grudge, she's a goddamn slasher), smart play is to start trying to pin murders on Alison. The media drinks it up like minors at a kegger, and she's got the perfect decoy. Alison Green, Mega Girl and known violent leftist, takes to vigilantism. It's not-Fox News' wet dream.
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Jackard posted:Media believes the slasher is either invisible or psychokinetic, the best they can spin Alison is as an accomplice. Those beliefs can change quick if new evidence (or "evidence" as the case is) leads to a known person rather than a blank mystery.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Hell, Moonshadow might just want to see Allison take some heat and feel the burn. And she also gets to kill a guy, which is well-established as something she's big on. e: Was it because Mega Girl was too strong and Moonshadow kept getting shot and stabbed?
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Pretty much, Mega-Girl was the team's heavy hitter and when she quit the Guardians Moonshadow was left holding the bag (Pintsize and Brad can't fight for poo poo). Moonshadow really resents having to work 10 times as hard to get a fraction of the result and no recognition.
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thatbastardken posted:Pretty much, Mega-Girl was the team's heavy hitter and when she quit the Guardians Moonshadow was left holding the bag (Pintsize and Brad can't fight for poo poo). Moonshadow really resents having to work 10 times as hard to get a fraction of the result and no recognition. Plus they became a kind of government wetworks/super-SWAT group after that, doing some really unpleasant and often grotesque work that was pretty far from the glory days of slapping around costumed villains and dismantling giant robots.
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Jackard posted:Media believes the slasher is either invisible or psychokinetic, the best they can spin Alison is as an accomplice. "I'm not sure you need any more bad press!" If the media start speculating that the invisible slasher might be Allison's former teammate...
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Cat Mattress posted:"I'm not sure you need any more bad press!" I don't think that'll happen right away, based off the military dude's reactions to Moonshadow. One of them was who worried they might have been dealing with the serial slasher was instantly mollified when he realized it was Moonshadow. If it weren't for what followed, it might not have even occured to them to connect the dots. If there was even the faintest rumor that Moonshadow had something to do with this, I don't think the reaction on seeing her in that situation would have been complete relief, especially with people who were apparently familiar with supers. I'm guessing going along with the system, at least as far as the public is concerned, probably makes Moonshadow a more respected figure than "renegades" like Allison who are getting in public fights and so on. They'll likely find some other way to implicate Allison in this. Maybe they'll say her behavior is opening the door for other supers to commit violent crime or something like that. That seems to be the media's angle before this even happened anyways.
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Jan 10, 2015 12:44
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Pretty sure that a certain someone with a weirdo name (who happens to be Alison's only alibi) is going to die next 
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I suppose even if Allison hasn't fought someone invisible before, it had to be covered in what ever training she got. Man, think of all the weird scenarios they had to cover to deal with potential powers.
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Jan 13, 2015 11:10
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50 gallon drum filled with paint hooked up to some scuba tanks and spray nozzles. Strap the whole thing to her back. Sorted 
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Gorilla Salad posted:50 gallon drum filled with paint hooked up to some scuba tanks and spray nozzles. Strap the whole thing to her back. Sorted So, basically this? 
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:I suppose even if Allison hasn't fought someone invisible before, it had to be covered in what ever training she got. Man, think of all the weird scenarios they had to cover to deal with potential powers. "Never let a teleporter get the lay of the land!"
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thrawn527 posted:So, basically this? Burn the witch! She can see into our souls! Also, not being a filthy hippy, I really have no idea what "fair trade" means. I know what it is when governments do it, but not when ironic hipsters riding fixies do it. Is it just non-sweatshop products? EDIT: I am a 
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Gorilla Salad posted:Also, not being a filthy hippy, I really have no idea what "fair trade" means. I know what it is when governments do it, but not when ironic hipsters riding fixies do it. Fair trade certifications basically mean, in theory, that a decent proportion of the profit from the purchase of a product makes it back to the original worker/producer/farmer rather than being entirely eaten by intermediary corporations.
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At the very least production is somewhat less likely to involve literal slaves.
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Jan 14, 2015 09:38
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Well that's one way to check the room for invisible murderers. Nice bit of improvisation there, Alison.
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Wyld Karde posted:Well that's one way to check the room for invisible murderers. Nice bit of improvisation there, Alison. Only works if the power is limited to superpowered person only, and does not extend to what they wear... And it doesn't seem like the knife was visible. So really it's just a way to make plaster dust turn invisible.
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Cat Mattress posted:Only works if the power is limited to superpowered person only, and does not extend to what they wear... And it doesn't seem like the knife was visible. So really it's just a way to make plaster dust turn invisible. It would still show a roughly person-shaped negative silhouette in the dust cloud where it's vanishing into the invisibility effect. At the very least it would confirm that some sort of cloaking effect was in play and a person so empowered was still present.
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Cat Mattress posted:Only works if the power is limited to superpowered person only, and does not extend to what they wear... And it doesn't seem like the knife was visible. So really it's just a way to make plaster dust turn invisible.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:I suppose even if Allison hasn't fought someone invisible before, it had to be covered in what ever training she got. Man, think of all the weird scenarios they had to cover to deal with potential powers. "Make up fake details about your life to spot mind-readers." Seriously though I'd like to see more of that, even if it's only in flashbacks.
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